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Rules be damned
How can someone based hearsay be a whistleblower?
It is logically absurd
It’s akin to the afl trade whispers
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How can someone based hearsay be a whistleblower?
It is logically absurd
It’s akin to the afl trade whispers
That’s why it goes through the IG. How many times does this have to be stated??
Of course no workplace just lets staff grievances lead to a manager’s dismissal without ‘due process’, and the investigative officer undertakes her enquiries having due regard to the right of all concerned to have their privacy respected.
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James Hird???
Matt Taibbi fills in the gaps is his familiar exemplary fashion.
Good for you to read Chief since vMatt's not a propagandist.
"The logic of the Biden campaign, at least up until the Ukraine story broke, had been avoiding hot takes, focusing on this elemental tale tailored for the general-election message. This “above the fray” approach was described by The Washington Post as trying “to avoid the political spasm in which he is now the central figure.”
For a long time, it worked. After Biden announced his candidacy in April, he surged to a huge poll lead and joined Sanders as one of two Democrats to consistently poll well in head-to-head surveys against Trump.......
"He took working-class voters from Sanders and retained enough support from major donors to stall the momentum toward Warren. The problem is, Ukraine makes staying out of the “spasm” impossible. When the news broke that a CIA whistle-blower launched a complaint about President Trump’s apparent request that Ukraine investigate Biden and his son Hunter’s ties to Ukrainian gas giant Burisma, Joe had no choice but to respond.
"His initial strategy, after Trump released the rough transcript of his call to Zelensky, was to go full-on Liam Neeson and pitch Ukrainegate as a home invasion requiring urgent vengeance. He said Trump “abused his power to come after my family,” describing the implication that he or his son had done anything wrong as a “malicious conspiracy theory that has been debunked by every independent outlet that has looked at it.”
But Hunter Biden’s acceptance of a $50,000-per-month position with Burisma while Daddy was a sitting vice president with a foreign-policy brief is not conspiracy theory, but fact. It’s an automatically gruesome look. The Ukrainians were almost certainly looking to create the “perception that [Burisma] was backed by powerful Americans,” as The New York Times put it. This is before we get to the question of whether or not Hunter actually did anything to earn the money (unclear) or whether Joe Biden knew about the arrangement (father and son have told different stories).
The standard media take on Hunter’s no-show Burisma job has been “Sure, it looks completely like s**t, but is it illegal?” (“Of course there’s an appearance problem,” a “former adviser” told The Washington Post, before adding quickly that there is no evidence of “wrongdoing.”) Regarding Biden’s awareness or lack thereof of Hunter’s job, the standard line has been “no evidence of criminal wrongdoing,” the word “criminal” being operative.
There are other angles on the Ukraine story that seem destined to remain problematic, like Biden’s visit to Ukraine as vice president in December 2015. Uncle Joe delivered a Kneel Before Zod dictum to then-President Petro Poroshenko, declaring he would hold up a billion-dollar aid package if the country’s general prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, was not fired immediately. “I’m leaving in six hours,” he later recounted saying. “If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.”
This incident would look Trump-level terrible if it were to come out that Shokin was investigating his son’s company. The Biden campaign, and most American news agencies, have insisted such investigations were “dormant.” However, multiple foreign news reports, including an early-October exposé by noted Russian opposition paper Novaya Gazeta about Burisma’s ties to a Russian fugitive named Sergei Kurchenko, have insisted there were in fact open investigations of the Ukrainian gas firm in late 2015. (The Biden campaign did not comment on the record about this story.)
Part of the problem is that this is not the first time Hunter Biden has been caught in a compromising position. In 2008, reports surfaced that Hunter had been retained as a consultant by the credit-card company MBNA while his father was on his way to voting for the infamous bankruptcy bill, which made it harder for debtors to declare bankruptcy.
The Obama campaign insisted “[Hunter’s] work had absolutely nothing to do with the bankruptcy bill,” but it sure didn’t look good. It likewise looked horrible when Hunter got a seat on the board of another major employer of Delawareans, Amtrak, with Sen. Tom Carper offering what feels like a sarcastic anti-recommendation of Joe’s son, saying he was qualified because “Hunter Biden has spent a lot of time on Amtrak trains.”
This is in addition to Joe Biden in 1996 having sold his Delaware house to an MBNA executive for $1.2 million — six times what he paid for it — in what The New York Times described as a word-of-mouth transaction.
The Biden Paradox
Joe Biden is under attack and slipping in the polls. Should Democrats be all in on the former vice president, or all out?
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Oh dear oh dear. These last three paras indicate there are more Biden misdeeds to come, Chief?
Oh the irony,
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So what I am getting from that is: it's a bad look. And it is. Of course it is. It was 4 or 5 years ago when it was raised in public in the White House.Matt Taibbi fills in the gaps is his familiar exemplary fashion.
Good for you to read Chief since vMatt's not a propagandist.
"The logic of the Biden campaign, at least up until the Ukraine story broke, had been avoiding hot takes, focusing on this elemental tale tailored for the general-election message. This “above the fray” approach was described by The Washington Post as trying “to avoid the political spasm in which he is now the central figure.”
For a long time, it worked. After Biden announced his candidacy in April, he surged to a huge poll lead and joined Sanders as one of two Democrats to consistently poll well in head-to-head surveys against Trump.......
"He took working-class voters from Sanders and retained enough support from major donors to stall the momentum toward Warren. The problem is, Ukraine makes staying out of the “spasm” impossible. When the news broke that a CIA whistle-blower launched a complaint about President Trump’s apparent request that Ukraine investigate Biden and his son Hunter’s ties to Ukrainian gas giant Burisma, Joe had no choice but to respond.
"His initial strategy, after Trump released the rough transcript of his call to Zelensky, was to go full-on Liam Neeson and pitch Ukrainegate as a home invasion requiring urgent vengeance. He said Trump “abused his power to come after my family,” describing the implication that he or his son had done anything wrong as a “malicious conspiracy theory that has been debunked by every independent outlet that has looked at it.”
But Hunter Biden’s acceptance of a $50,000-per-month position with Burisma while Daddy was a sitting vice president with a foreign-policy brief is not conspiracy theory, but fact. It’s an automatically gruesome look. The Ukrainians were almost certainly looking to create the “perception that [Burisma] was backed by powerful Americans,” as The New York Times put it. This is before we get to the question of whether or not Hunter actually did anything to earn the money (unclear) or whether Joe Biden knew about the arrangement (father and son have told different stories).
The standard media take on Hunter’s no-show Burisma job has been “Sure, it looks completely like s**t, but is it illegal?” (“Of course there’s an appearance problem,” a “former adviser” told The Washington Post, before adding quickly that there is no evidence of “wrongdoing.”) Regarding Biden’s awareness or lack thereof of Hunter’s job, the standard line has been “no evidence of criminal wrongdoing,” the word “criminal” being operative.
There are other angles on the Ukraine story that seem destined to remain problematic, like Biden’s visit to Ukraine as vice president in December 2015. Uncle Joe delivered a Kneel Before Zod dictum to then-President Petro Poroshenko, declaring he would hold up a billion-dollar aid package if the country’s general prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, was not fired immediately. “I’m leaving in six hours,” he later recounted saying. “If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.”
This incident would look Trump-level terrible if it were to come out that Shokin was investigating his son’s company. The Biden campaign, and most American news agencies, have insisted such investigations were “dormant.” However, multiple foreign news reports, including an early-October exposé by noted Russian opposition paper Novaya Gazeta about Burisma’s ties to a Russian fugitive named Sergei Kurchenko, have insisted there were in fact open investigations of the Ukrainian gas firm in late 2015. (The Biden campaign did not comment on the record about this story.)
Part of the problem is that this is not the first time Hunter Biden has been caught in a compromising position. In 2008, reports surfaced that Hunter had been retained as a consultant by the credit-card company MBNA while his father was on his way to voting for the infamous bankruptcy bill, which made it harder for debtors to declare bankruptcy.
The Obama campaign insisted “[Hunter’s] work had absolutely nothing to do with the bankruptcy bill,” but it sure didn’t look good. It likewise looked horrible when Hunter got a seat on the board of another major employer of Delawareans, Amtrak, with Sen. Tom Carper offering what feels like a sarcastic anti-recommendation of Joe’s son, saying he was qualified because “Hunter Biden has spent a lot of time on Amtrak trains.”
This is in addition to Joe Biden in 1996 having sold his Delaware house to an MBNA executive for $1.2 million — six times what he paid for it — in what The New York Times described as a word-of-mouth transaction.
The Biden Paradox
Joe Biden is under attack and slipping in the polls. Should Democrats be all in on the former vice president, or all out?
Oh dear oh dear. These last three paras indicate there are more Biden misdeeds to come, Chief?
Trying to link the prosecutor to investigations is tenuous. If anything WAS amiss, it was lucky for Biden that the entire EU, the IMF and others were lobbying to have the prosecutor sacked because... wait... he WASN'T prosecuting the big fish?
So Biden, fully aware that this prosecutor would probably NEVER prosecute anyone like his son's employer, was WRONG to get the guy sacked? It doesn't scan.
I say again: the guy was notorious for not prosecuting people with exactly the job description of Biden Jr.
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Loving the rehabilitation of John Bolton.
Wait - you have an issue with government officials lying continuously lol?
Is there any danger of you blokes ever demonstrating a shred of consistency?
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Please link to the corruption, evil, greed, and bastardry of Neilia, Jill, Beau, Naomi and Ashley.
Or waddle away crashing your cymbals.
Link? Wow. So you disagree?
Yeah, seems a bit silly if thats all it takes to kick a process like this off. Lucky then that's not the case - from my understanding, even if its first hand info you don't just take the blokes word as gospel and run with it. A determination of merit still has to be made by the IG based not only on the whistleblower's story but other available info.
Trump's own appointee determined it urgent and credible - he's in on the democrat fix too I take it?
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100%. I've never seen anything about those 5 people that supports your statement, so I would like you to provide actual evidence to support you post.
I don't think you can, or will. I think you will divert it to a talking point that doesn't actually oppose what I've written.
I’m just surprised you don’t know anything about the Biden family and can’t contribute to the thread on such a simple fact.
People throw stones at Trump but the moment stones get thrown at Biden you got no idea about the guy. Shocks me how brainwashed you must be.
Trump’s continual claims that Schiff should be arrested for “treason” and charged with “lying to Congress” for his parody of the ‘summary’ of the transcript are unbecoming of a President.
Similarly, the language that the President used in saying that Nancy Pelosi hates America, because she is conducting this enquiry, is a level of language way outside the leadership norms we have previously seen in an advanced democracy. No one should be seen as being against their country merely because they have concerns about one elected official.
Schiff opening remarks concerning the summary of the transcript of the phone call with Zelensky were clearly not “illegally made up.” A verbatim transcript is not available, Schiff’s summary or giving the essence of the call, was clearly “a parody” in not so many words.
Trump just throws out lie after lie, hoping to connect with voters that are too busy to be fully across the ‘going ons’ in Washington.
Schiff never portrayed his summary of the call as true. He said at the beginning of his remarks, “Shorn of its rambling character and in not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates.” And at the end, he added, “This is in sum and character what the president was trying to communicate with the president of Ukraine.”
Similarly, the language that the President used in saying that Nancy Pelosi hates America, because she is conducting this enquiry, is a level of language way outside the leadership norms we have previously seen in an advanced democracy. No one should be seen as being against their country merely because they have concerns about one elected official.
Schiff opening remarks concerning the summary of the transcript of the phone call with Zelensky were clearly not “illegally made up.” A verbatim transcript is not available, Schiff’s summary or giving the essence of the call, was clearly “a parody” in not so many words.
Trump just throws out lie after lie, hoping to connect with voters that are too busy to be fully across the ‘going ons’ in Washington.
Schiff never portrayed his summary of the call as true. He said at the beginning of his remarks, “Shorn of its rambling character and in not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates.” And at the end, he added, “This is in sum and character what the president was trying to communicate with the president of Ukraine.”
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You were talking about his entire family... not "the guy". But nice talking point, that didn't actually oppose what I've written.
So are the 5 named in his post corrupt or what?
Matt Taibbi fills in the gaps is his familiar exemplary fashion.
Good for you to read Chief since vMatt's not a propagandist.
"The logic of the Biden campaign, at least up until the Ukraine story broke, had been avoiding hot takes, focusing on this elemental tale tailored for the general-election message. This “above the fray” approach was described by The Washington Post as trying “to avoid the political spasm in which he is now the central figure.”
For a long time, it worked. After Biden announced his candidacy in April, he surged to a huge poll lead and joined Sanders as one of two Democrats to consistently poll well in head-to-head surveys against Trump.......
"He took working-class voters from Sanders and retained enough support from major donors to stall the momentum toward Warren. The problem is, Ukraine makes staying out of the “spasm” impossible. When the news broke that a CIA whistle-blower launched a complaint about President Trump’s apparent request that Ukraine investigate Biden and his son Hunter’s ties to Ukrainian gas giant Burisma, Joe had no choice but to respond.
"His initial strategy, after Trump released the rough transcript of his call to Zelensky, was to go full-on Liam Neeson and pitch Ukrainegate as a home invasion requiring urgent vengeance. He said Trump “abused his power to come after my family,” describing the implication that he or his son had done anything wrong as a “malicious conspiracy theory that has been debunked by every independent outlet that has looked at it.”
But Hunter Biden’s acceptance of a $50,000-per-month position with Burisma while Daddy was a sitting vice president with a foreign-policy brief is not conspiracy theory, but fact. It’s an automatically gruesome look. The Ukrainians were almost certainly looking to create the “perception that [Burisma] was backed by powerful Americans,” as The New York Times put it. This is before we get to the question of whether or not Hunter actually did anything to earn the money (unclear) or whether Joe Biden knew about the arrangement (father and son have told different stories).
The standard media take on Hunter’s no-show Burisma job has been “Sure, it looks completely like s**t, but is it illegal?” (“Of course there’s an appearance problem,” a “former adviser” told The Washington Post, before adding quickly that there is no evidence of “wrongdoing.”) Regarding Biden’s awareness or lack thereof of Hunter’s job, the standard line has been “no evidence of criminal wrongdoing,” the word “criminal” being operative.
There are other angles on the Ukraine story that seem destined to remain problematic, like Biden’s visit to Ukraine as vice president in December 2015. Uncle Joe delivered a Kneel Before Zod dictum to then-President Petro Poroshenko, declaring he would hold up a billion-dollar aid package if the country’s general prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, was not fired immediately. “I’m leaving in six hours,” he later recounted saying. “If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money.”
This incident would look Trump-level terrible if it were to come out that Shokin was investigating his son’s company. The Biden campaign, and most American news agencies, have insisted such investigations were “dormant.” However, multiple foreign news reports, including an early-October exposé by noted Russian opposition paper Novaya Gazeta about Burisma’s ties to a Russian fugitive named Sergei Kurchenko, have insisted there were in fact open investigations of the Ukrainian gas firm in late 2015. (The Biden campaign did not comment on the record about this story.)
Part of the problem is that this is not the first time Hunter Biden has been caught in a compromising position. In 2008, reports surfaced that Hunter had been retained as a consultant by the credit-card company MBNA while his father was on his way to voting for the infamous bankruptcy bill, which made it harder for debtors to declare bankruptcy.
The Obama campaign insisted “[Hunter’s] work had absolutely nothing to do with the bankruptcy bill,” but it sure didn’t look good. It likewise looked horrible when Hunter got a seat on the board of another major employer of Delawareans, Amtrak, with Sen. Tom Carper offering what feels like a sarcastic anti-recommendation of Joe’s son, saying he was qualified because “Hunter Biden has spent a lot of time on Amtrak trains.”
This is in addition to Joe Biden in 1996 having sold his Delaware house to an MBNA executive for $1.2 million — six times what he paid for it — in what The New York Times described as a word-of-mouth transaction.
The Biden Paradox
Joe Biden is under attack and slipping in the polls. Should Democrats be all in on the former vice president, or all out?
Oh dear oh dear. These last three paras indicate there are more Biden misdeeds to come, Chief?
We know all this. I haven't seen a single person here argue that Hunter Biden was on that board for his skills and know-how.
What does it have to do with Trump personally intervening and trying to get it air time during an election campaign, after the story didn't get the traction he would have appreciated initially?
Like someone else said, investigate the lot of 'em. If the Bidens' actions are worthy of investigation (and I reckon they are), then likewise Trump's most definitely are.
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I'd ask you to link to evidence that they're all up to no good but it's likely to consist of a 3 hour YouTube video from @DeepStateExposed219 on Twitter.
Same reason nobody ever says Tiffany Trump is gorging at the US government trough, while the other reprobates have their snouts jammed right in there.
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I'm not ignoring it lol just pointing out that it was before trumps time
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So you think everyone else should ignore it? Or are you saying that it doesn't mean anything... so everyone else should ignore it?
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