i thought it was a sad rant...his inlaws own one ...but they are okhawkeye23 said:Great post khanate!
FWIW a lot of people rely on their 4x4 to get to khanate could only dream about .
i thought it was a sad rant...his inlaws own one ...but they are okhawkeye23 said:Great post khanate!
His inlaws are in territory where one is required. I have no issue with that Blues Man. What I object to are the knob-jockeys (male and female) who chose to drive them in a vein attempt to disguise the fact that they CANNOT drive!Blues_Man said:i thought it was a sad rant...his inlaws own one ...but they are ok..everyone else who owns one is a lemming .. talk about taking generalisation to the max .
FWIW a lot of people rely on their 4x4 to get to khanate could only dream about .
I don't, I drive a Falcon. And I find either a 4WD or a truck pulling up next to me as annoying, because I'd have to wait until it leaves the intersection before I can get a clear view.You must drive a Prius or something???? whats the difference between that and an actual delivery truck pulling up next to you??
I don't, I drive a Falcon. ]
Mate if I could get a falcon over here.... id buy it tomorrow!!! The problem is, It snows here in Indy for about 3-4 months of the year and they dont make the falcons in AWD/4WD
My wife drives the Land Rover most of the time 1) For protection.... 2) her job is 5 miles away so rarely have to fill up and 3) I drive my Cadi CTS4 to work!!!
funny, I used to be totally against 4WD's also, until I got married and had a kid, we fully considered ALL options, wagons etc. My wife has disc problems in her back and preferred the high position to load up the boy. Plus the high ride is awesome - I don't deliberately block people's view eitherGotta love the nonsensical rants of the inner city anti 4wd yuppie brigade.They don't want one so they think nobody should. Piss poor attitude.
good rant, would read againpersonally i hate them...
'economically' speaking, people have been marketted to perfectly. they have been told "you have two kids? protect them with a four-wheel drive!", and that is why something like 2/5 of all car sales are now 4wds...
they are not safe AT all. they are death traps. roads have been designed to cater to regular sized cars (such as the 1.9 million kilometres of the skirting rail around this country), and now that cars have gotten larger, all that is shot to sh*t.
they're marketted as 'family cars'. has anyone ever tried to bloody get out of one of those nissan patrols??? i'd hate to be the disabled mother in law trying to get in/out.
and it's all image. think about the office-bound middle manager. he pulls 10 hour days five (sometimes more...) days a week, and in between being stuck in an office, and getting GRILLED by his missus for NOT 'spending enough time with the family', the only place where he's NOT being told what to do or being emasculated is in that 45 minute gridlocked traffice jam trip to and from work. the only place his overweight balding self is no long some 5 foot, 100 kilo submissive type, and is now a prado driver...
that's just my opinion, really...
gotta love the fuel efficiency, too...9 ks per litre...that's terrible. but then there's the diesel engines which, unfortunately, chew up our ozone layer...
they are a status symbol nowadays...it's funny watching all the bored housewives clog every road around a primary school JUST to drive little junior the 3 minutes it takes to their home. why are women driving them??? it makes NO sense!!! i thought they only appealed to the paper-pushing marketting/real-estate types who think they're 'letting their hair out' in their market and demographic researched jeep cherokee...
they rollover, too...don't take corners too fast, either...
also, poor rear visibility...you're five times more likely to run over a kid (maybe your own...) while reversing out of your drive way in a fourwheeldrive...
4wds are a stupid fashion trend which cost tens of thousands of dollars. it's pretty stupid, really...we need to follow every thing america has already done, don't we? there is SERIOUSLY no need to own one in the city or ANY urban setting. if you do go up north or bush, rent one for the prescribed anount of time. instead of spending $60000 for a car you use, what, 4 weeks a year, spend HALF of that, and buy an practical car. why do people buy one when they say "i go to the snow". you drive on a ROAD you moron. what difference does it make? seriously...
the appeal to the "sucking my way up the corporate ladder" carrie bradshaw type (who end up becoming 'soccer mums') and the frustrated corporate types. you'd think with the way urban planning is going these days (people moving into the inner city into apartments with SANCTIONED carspaces and TINY ROADS), people would want a SMALLER vehicle...it's SO stupid. and what about the DUMB names??? ford escape? escape from WHAT??? southland shopping centre??? land rover discovery??? a discovery of a LARGER BLIND SPOT. suburu forester? more like DE-forester. automotive corporations are selling EMANCIPATION to the masses in the form of an IMPRACTICAL vehicle. you know that the CONSTRUCTION cost of a ford falcon is MARGINALLY less than the constrution of a ford expedition. yet the RETAIL value is like, nearly twice. that's why they are promoted and marketted. notice how ALL the ads feature some part of nature, as if you're EVER going to go there. i love how some people use the "four weeks annual leave" excuse to spend twice as much on a car that is a death trap.
why do people buy them? because they were told to.
they aren't safe at all...the width of a 4wd tyre is MINUTELY larger than that of a sedan's wheel. often the 4wd's chassis and everything else is TWICE as heavy as that of a sedan. they obscure traffic and cause accidents. people who buy them because "they'd rather do damage to someone rather than be damaged" often regret the 'vehicular manslaughter' conviction before the second week of their 12 year jail term.
like little lemmings, people are told to buy them, and buy them they do...
my partner's family have a property in central nsw, and they NEED their fwd. the terrain is UTTERLY rough. 4wds aren't meant to be on paved roads. google it if you want studies and research on it.
and because the market is currently FLOODED with 3 year old second hand 4wds, these are the types of cars future P platers will have easy access to. this is so typically endemic off our greedy, excessive mentality. that's another word; EXCESS. you don't need it, hell, you don't even WANT it, but you MUST keep up with the jones. you're mortgaged up to your eyebrows, you've maxed out all three of your credit cards, and car repayments are draining you, but who cares, you LOOK LIKE you can afford the car.
status.
i love the 4wds that have the shaded cloth. that to me just shows how SHELTERED and 'taken care of' the car will be. it's a family car. nevermind the housewife couldn't drive her toyota starlet to begin with, let's get her a car twice as wide and thrice as big. it's safe. people are stupid. ABSOLUTELY stupid. they should be outlawed and BANNED in the cities. if you go up bush, rent one for the week. how much will it cost you per week? $1000??? if that...compare that one grand to the 25 grand extra you paid. it's TOTAL excess and serves no other purpose other than showing off the fact you can AFFORD it.
and how contradictory is the entire 'luxury' 4wd??? luxury? is there ANY luxury in driving at ALL??? has anyone ever driven 10+ hours interstate? it's anything BUT luxury. and how the hell are leather seats and cup holders 'rugged'? they're not. it's all clever marketing and image which people sop up.
i love that x-trail ad. rugged good looks. yeah right! look at the 1970 landcruiser. that's rugged. i love how they are associated with 'extreme' sports like off road bmx and mountain climbing. the people who buy these cars are bloody regional managers. go manage something you twit.
gah. it's such a toss, really.
What'd you decide on going with?Is anyone up to date with the new 4WD dual cab market? Need some thoughts on the Nissan np300 v the new ford ranger coming out in a few months. What I can gather is the Ford ranger has a heap of safety sensor features which im not that fussed about, but other then that they seem around about the same.
Thoughts?
I was asking for a mate I was helping him decide. He went for the Nissan NP300 after years of having a D40 without problem. The Ranger comes out later in the year.What'd you decide on going with?
Looks good mateMy D40 out on the SA Far West coast
I paid 24k for my mates navara (trade in price) after he put 14k extras on it... I have since spent $400 on dual fuel filter, $1000 on Rhino Line tray (mate is a stone mason and trashed the tray), and get my razorback canopy next weekLooks good mate
In the market for a new twin cab turbo diesel for a work/play car (Carpenter by trade)
The ranger has the best towing capacity (5t up from the 4.2 - 4.5 most others in the same class have) but it does gauge diesel a bit more. (Looking at between 600 700km per tank of diesel - towing a trailer. Guy I worked with bought last years model).
I'm not overly concerned about running costs, it really is about how you drive your vehicle that'll determine the output of the engine.
The Navara in a cost benefit analysis seems like a reasonable choice. A brand new D40 is what? $40,000 base model, $50,000 with a tow pack, canopy, roof racks and some extra upgrades?
The other one I don't mind the look of is the Holden Colorado but having done little research on it, I'm not sure what it has to offer that the D40 doesn't
I own a Ford Territory SZ Titanium 2011 RWD. We bought it because they are great for our long trips we make to North Qld. Great luggage space and reasonable fuel economy being a diesel. Plus, I have 3 daughters who like inviting friends over so the 7 seats is one of the main reasons we bought it. Not to mention the multiple times we have taken the grandparents on trips with us. Our main car will always be an SUV from now on.The thing that gets me about most 4WDs, even the larger ones, is the serious lack of carrying capacity compared to a conventional station wagon. have a look at the back end of a Falcon or Commodore wagon compared to a typical 4WD - the Falcodore has much more usable luggage (or dog) space in the back. And the passenger capacity is about the same - and yet some people buy them becausde they're "bigger"
The exception is the Ford Territory, which is a genuine large wagon, and a great piece of work in my opinion. A Ford dealer told me their wagon sales have gone through the floor because all the wagon buyers are buying a Territory and I can see why, especially since the price is so similar.