Current 4yo Boy Missing Yunta SA

[shorsky]

It doesn't seem possible anybody could sneak up on that property, unless they knew the occupants routines and where they would be later in the day, making an approach from behind the main residence using the outbuildings and sheds etc as cover.

Or they snuck in at night and stayed hidden through the day but then if abduction was the purpose, not only do they have to get in unseen but they also have to get out.

According to reports, Shannon was the only adult there, and she was inside busy with little one, and no doubt the ‘house duties’.
Also the house seems to have heavy brick columns all along the covered front verandah area, so it could be reasonably soundproof inside

JMO.

 

[Curious Clues]

If Gus had wandered off, would he have gone into the bush? Or perhaps, if he was looking for Mummy, he would have walked down the driveway? It's only about 250 metres to Oak Park Road, where he could have been abducted without trace or been the victim of an accident.

Alternatively, someone could have parked on Oak Park Road. Walked in unseen and taken him. The farm runs thousands of sheep, which needs workers. Who else had regular access to the homestead?

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I agree, it seems totally reasonable imo that he could have followed the driveway out to the main road to look for his mummy and Josie. Then anything could have happened out on the road by a passing driver.
That’s why I found it so strange that they didn’t want his photo out in the public on day 1.
How could they be so sure he wandered off solely within the property boundary ? Doesn’t add up.

 

[Curious Clues]

I think a lost 4 yr old child would be crying loudly once it got dark.

And they can cry for a lot longer than 30 minutes too.

 

[Frank Bunn]

It doesn't seem possible anybody could sneak up on that property, unless they knew the occupants routines and where they would be later in the day, making an approach from behind the main residence using the outbuildings and sheds etc as cover.

Grandma Shannon wasn't paying attention to Gus at the front of the house. Someone could easily have parked nearby then walked up and taken him. No need to sneak if they had a plausible reason to be there if seen. A worker or ex-worker might have been aware of the remote locations of Josie (Grandparent) and Jess (Mum) that day.

Given that there's no evidence of Gus alive or dead on the property, surely the investigation has to be widened that he might have been taken?

 

[31550]

I agree, it seems totally reasonable imo that he could have followed the driveway out to the main road to look for his mummy and Josie. Then anything could have happened out on the road by a passing driver.
That’s why I found it so strange that they didn’t want his photo out in the public on day 1.
How could they be so sure he wandered off solely within the property boundary ? Doesn’t add up.

You're talking about the 'main road' as though it's a modern suburban main road with lots of random traffic coming and going. I thought all the 'roads' on the property led to and from the homestead and one or two key locations on the property and nowhere else. The actual 'main road' = highway is too far for anyone to walk to in 30 minutes, isn't it? Probably take the best part of a day for a healthy adult who knew where they were going.

 

[Cataholic]

Tiger, copperhead, brown or black vs a kid playing?

I’d be guilty of paying more attention to the Joe Blake out bush

My point is that such a snake turning up on the verandah is an example of why you'd keep a closer eye on a child playing 20 odd metres away, or so I would've thought.

A small child could be bit and dead in 30 minutes.

Imo.

 

[31550]

My point is that such a snake turning up on the verandah is an example of why you'd keep a closer eye on a child playing 20 odd metres away, or so I would've thought.

A small child could be bit and dead in 30 minutes.

Imo.

Possible but Australia’s snakebite death rate is 0.01 per 100,000, among the lowest globally.

 

[Underarrest_]

Gus could have easily walked to Oak Park Rd. I don’t think it’s visible to the house? Someone could have even been on their way to visit.
Something must be leading them to think no one could have picked Gus up.

 

[31550]

Gus could have easily walked to Oak Park Rd. I don’t think it’s visible to the house? Someone could have even been on their way to visit.
Something must be leading them to think no one could have picked Gus up.

Why would anyone be driving on Oak Park Road? Nobody would be there unless they had a specific reason. And how would the family not know that person was coming or going? And what are the odds of that visitor also being someone who would randomly or opportunistically grab a 4YO boy? Where would they take him to not be detected? It would take a long time to even drive off the property.

 

[Underarrest_]

Why would anyone be driving on Oak Park Road? Nobody would be there unless they had a specific reason. And how would the family not know that person was coming or going? And what are the odds of that visitor also being someone who would randomly or opportunistically grab a 4YO boy? Where would they take him to not be detected? It would take a long tome to even drive off the property.

I’m not saying there was.
An unexpected visitor is possible or anyone really.
If Gus had walked a km away Shannon might not hear.
There has to be a slight possibility but at this stage isn’t considered. Why? How are they so sure?

 

[Cataholic]

Possible but Australia’s snakebite death rate is 0.01 per 100,000, among the lowest globally.

For sure, but most guardians would see a snake and child being in the same vicinity as unwise.

Of course, it's not to say a snake was anywhere near the dirt pile that day, but I reckon most people would consider it an unacceptable possiblity.

 

[Underarrest_]

Just thinking maybe there was a lock on one of the gates at the time and only certain people could access the property through the gate.
The neighbour, was adamant no one would take Gus from the property because there’s multiple gates.

 

[31550]

I’m not saying there was.
An unexpected visitor is possible or anyone really.
If Gus had walked a km away Shannon might not hear.
There has to be a slight possibility but at this stage isn’t considered. Why? How are they so sure?

The chances of a random being on the property at any time are tiny. For someone to be on the property at 5pm in the afternoon even smaller, and for that person to be an opportunistic kidnapper, microscopic.

 

[Underarrest_]

The chances of a random being on the property at any time are tiny. For someone to be on the property at 5pm in the afternoon even smaller, and for that person to be an opportunistic kidnapper, microscopic.

I agree tiny but possible and yet there’s been no public appeals for information. Why just opportunistic kidnapping? Maybe someone could accidentally run over him on the road, maybe been drinking or on drugs or didn’t want trouble.

 

[MP_]

I agree tiny but possible and yet there’s been no public appeals for information. Why just opportunistic kidnapping? Maybe someone could accidentally run over him on the road, maybe been drinking or on drugs or didn’t want trouble.

They have probably tracked phone pings and would know exactly what people had been in that area around the time of disappearance.

 

[Underarrest_]

They have probably tracked phone pings and would know exactly what people had been in that area around the time of disappearance.

There has to be some reason at this stage that they don’t think he’s ventured off down the road and been taken.

 

[MP_]

There has to be some reason at this stage that they don’t think he’s ventured off down the road and been taken.

They would have alot more information than what has been fed to the public.

 

[Curious Clues]

You're talking about the 'main road' as though it's a modern suburban main road with lots of random traffic coming and going. I thought all the 'roads' on the property led to and from the homestead and one or two key locations on the property and nowhere else. The actual 'main road' = highway is too far for anyone to walk to in 30 minutes, isn't it? Probably take the best part of a day for a healthy adult who knew where they were going.

I was thinking of Oak Park Road. Does that road belong to the Murrary's or is it a public road?

 

[31550]

I agree tiny but possible and yet there’s been no public appeals for information. Why just opportunistic kidnapping? Maybe someone could accidentally run over him on the road, maybe been drinking or on drugs or didn’t want trouble.

Still highly unlikely in that exact time and place and a drunk or drugged driver would more likely flee the scene immediately, not stop and pick up the body. This would increase the risk of detection plus create a further problem of hiding the body. Makes no sense to me.

 

[Curious Clues]

Still highly unlikely in that exact time and place and a drunk or drugged driver would more likely flee the scene immediately, not stop and pick up the body. This would increase the risk of detection plus create a further problem of hiding the body. Makes no sense to me.

So if not a random snatch, the only other options are that he’s vanished into the ether, or he’s been secreted somewhere by someone known to him.

 

[31550]

I was thinking of Oak Park Road. Does that road belong to the Murrary's or is it a public road?

Regardless, there is absolutely nothing of interest on that road (or any other road in that immediate vicinity) except the station. It's only ever going to be used by someone with business at the property or with the residents. If anyone encountered Gus, it had to be someone expected, or known to the family. Nobody is driving all the way out there 'on spec'. Certainly not at 5pm.

 

[Underarrest_]

I was thinking of Oak Park Road. Does that road belong to the Murrary's or is it a public road?

I think there’s also other roads that run off oak park rd leading to other places.

 

[31550]

I think there’s also other roads that run off oak park rd leading to other places.

Oak Park Rd will take you to Tiverton Station, which is 16km North East, or West to Grampus 24km. Tiverton is another station. Grampus has a population of about 20 people. There are no facilities or anything there.

If you weren't deliberately going to Oak Park or Tiverton or beyond, you would not leave the A32, which goes to Yunta and further North East.

 

[zedx]

My point is that such a snake turning up on the verandah is an example of why you'd keep a closer eye on a child playing 20 odd metres away, or so I would've thought.

A small child could be bit and dead in 30 minutes.

Imo.

The snake on the veranda was just after some shade and this would not have been a common occurrence. Snakes usually try to keep out of the way of humans. A snake mostly likely would have given Gus a wide berth and snuck past him without Gus even noticing. And if he did get bitten he wouldnt have got far and would have been found by now. You cant keep blaming the Grandma for not checking on him sooner, its not like he was left for hours it was only minutes too long if anything.

 

[CodyRose]

I think the premise of keeping a child, a 4yo, under close surveillance remains the same.

The same grandparent allegedly had need to use a shotgun to despatch a snake on their very porch, just a metre or two from the house, but they deemed it suitable to leave a 4yo unattended for 30 minutes around 20 metres from the house??

Yeah, nah. Imo.

Most farms/properties have a "snake" dog that chases snakes away.