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Great post.
In most situations, Couchy did not jump out as a classically tough player, but any player who was as heavily tagged week in week out and triumphed, is tough. He NEVER EVER sooked. for a free kick. Just got on with it with that perpetual smile.
How tough was it though? Some of it was just thuggery. (Not all, of course.)
True. For every player who came through with a raised elbow, there was someone on the receiving end.I'd say extremely tough.
The first defence that modern commentators make is that the game has never been faster (true), the players have never been fitter (true), they hit harder (maybe), but there's a flip side to that. The game has never been cleaner either, and players now have actual resting as part of their routine. Players thirty years ago rarely went to the interchange bench, let alone having a game off. You think they didn't have niggles or were sore?
Consider Newman's unbelievable toughness. Take everything Tom Lonergan did, and then throw in a far dirtier era where players would try and take you out, and he came back into that environment and played for another decade. There's a reason Doug Wade said he was the bravest player he ever saw.
There is no disputing that Joel is a class act which is of all the more reason for my concern for his influence on important games, due to the season grind. When we need it from him the most, is he going to continue to deliver? Will he be injured or carrying an injury before then? Is it his ego that drives it and is that good for the team harmony/balance?!? I'm sure that it is inspiring to see it but is he too invested innit?!? Should it be more controlled now that he is in the twilight of his career?!?I remember early doors everyone was saying Joel would be burned out and gone from the game at 25, either by those so called dodgy knees or one too many concussions. But here he is still going strong. The man is ridiculously durable especially given the brand of footy he plays. He's a star.
raised elbows show how tough they are not, it's a coward's act!True. For every player who came through with a raised elbow, there was someone on the receiving end.
Most players knew it would eventually happen to them.
I guess I was questioning the so called toughness of the snipers.
Although some of those could take it as well.
I tried to find it, got a link?Just on that era - seeing you saw them etc - you might be interested that Cursed Cat on the main board under the thread " Older Premierships " he put vision up of all Geel premierships from 63 back
The 1963 one was excellent - he had the whole last qtr ( i had never seen that before - i watched that the other night ) excellent quality vision - Geel ripped Haw to bits - toyed with them - thought you might be interested if you hadnt seen it before
I never saw him remonstrate with umpires for frees, but will accept your views as you probably saw more of his games than I did.Couch? Yes he did. After the Footscray game when there were photos in the paper of the treatment he was getting. And again years later with Mike Sheahan.
Good player, but let's not go too far. Wasn't in either Garry or Steve Hocking's league when it came to toughness.
To be honest I think he's one of a few from that era who tried to act like the Grand final failures weren't their fault just other players.
I tried to find it, got a link?
Just on that era - seeing you saw them etc - you might be interested that Cursed Cat on the main board under the thread " Older Premierships " he put vision up of all Geel premierships from 63 back
The 1963 one was excellent - he had the whole last qtr ( i had never seen that before - i watched that the other night ) excellent quality vision - Geel ripped Haw to bits - toyed with them - thought you might be interested if you hadnt seen it before
Thanks GOB....a really enjoyable half hour watching the 63GF...amazingly clear footage. I was amazed I could remember every player and their numbers....and I was pretty young when it happened. I was a boy fanatic! Only the boy bit has changed!!
The only one that caught me out was Scott...#14...didnt remember him. Thanks so much for the referral. For those who haven't seen it, link is below.
I read somewhere that you couldn't find replay of the last quarter of the 63 GF ......you will also find footage of the 51/52, and newsreel footage of the 30's Premierships as well. The footage of the 63 GF is awesome.
What amazed me was I remembered every single player and their numbers....only #14 Scott was the one I had no recollection of.
For those that missed it, follow the link below.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/older-premiership-wins.1209624/
Glad someone mentioned Kel. Always thought both he and Stevie J were hard as and they liked to hurt the opposition when they hit or tackled them. Just a bonus for us that they were stars as well.Names that come to mind for me are S.Hocking, G.Hocking, J.Selwood, M.Scarlett, M.Rooke, A.Bews and J.Kelly. I thought Chappy was a little hard nut as well.
Garry Ablett Snr was not tough. He lined blokes up, and ran through them.....nothing tough about that.
Rarely saw him shape up if ever when confronted
For mine:
1. Joel Selwood (captain courageous)
2. Mark Yeates. (Could legitimately fight)
3- Ray Card (actually put the fear of god into people)
4. Ken Hinkley. (Often put his health at risk by taking intercept marks in front of charging forwards). Never shirked it. (Honourable mention to Tommy Lonegran for exactly the same reason)
5. Garry Hocking. (Would take on anyone, including John Worsfold in his beastly prime)
* James Parsons unlucky to miss out
Thanks GOB....a really enjoyable half hour watching the 63GF...amazingly clear footage. I was amazed I could remember every player and their numbers....and I was pretty young when it happened. I was a boy fanatic! Only the boy bit has changed!!
The only one that caught me out was Scott...#14...didnt remember him. Thanks so much for the referral. For those who haven't seen it, link is below.
I read somewhere that you couldn't find replay of the last quarter of the 63 GF ......you will also find footage of the 51/52, and newsreel footage of the 30's Premierships as well. The footage of the 63 GF is awesome.
What amazed me was I remembered every single player and their numbers....only #14 Scott was the one I had no recollection of.
For those that missed it, follow the link below.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/older-premiership-wins.1209624/
This may appear gay but I don't care: Joel Corey has a special place in my heart!Corey another one that is underrated on here.