Free Agent # 6: Joe Daniher - derp Brisbane player

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Beerfish said:
Do you think you're on the draft board or something?

Fair warning - If I have to read one more post from you like this around here you'll cop points.

That goes for any other opposition lurkers thinking of chiming in like this too.
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Let’s look
at the reality of things and forget about the highlight reel for a minute.

In only 4 functioning seasons JD kicked 28,34,43 and 65

108 games over 8 seasons

Kicked 191 goals 144 points in total

He’s a very ordinary set shot kick

He’s a massive risk getting injured again given he’s not getting younger

He’s turned his back on the club after they went over and above effort to helped him in rehab

Who cares if we get peanuts for him.

That’s footy.

It’s not always a bed of roses and fields of daffodils.

We move on and adapt.
 
Think we may have to cop the punishment on this and take the end of first round pick compo. The Lions do not give a toss that we could have got more last year. If you turn it the other way most of us would be saying no we do not want a broken down player who may have been a star 4 seasons ago but has played only 20 odd games in 3 years and has a real issue with his goal kicking. We would certainly not be looking at trading any first round picks for him, even late ones.
Lets face it most are saying Ben Brown is not worth a first round pick.
The end of first round compo pick is in reality worth more than what his current value is. We dropped the ball last year by not even exploring a trade but that has no real reflection on his true value.
 
There are reports that Essendon and Brisbane are in discussions about him, whatever that means.
 
Lore said:
There are reports that Essendon and Brisbane are in discussions about him, whatever that means.
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You’d assume that means the contract offer from lions isn’t going to be enough to warrant band 1 compo so Essendon would be threatening to match.

IF and it’s a BIG IF the lions are interested in Treloar you’d think they’d be taking players, from what I read apparently there’s a salary cap squeeze to fit both JD and Treloar.
 

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ant555 said:
Think we may have to cop the punishment on this and take the end of first round pick compo. The Lions do not give a toss that we could have got more last year. If you turn it the other way most of us would be saying no we do not want a broken down player who may have been a star 4 seasons ago but has played only 20 odd games in 3 years and has a real issue with his goal kicking. We would certainly not be looking at trading any first round picks for him, even late ones.
Lets face it most are saying Ben Brown is not worth a first round pick.
The end of first round compo pick is in reality worth more than what his current value is. We dropped the ball last year by not even exploring a trade but that has no real reflection on his true value.
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Nah just rather let him walk. Pick 19 will be in late 20s after all the wash up of compo picks and academies. Lions want him they pay, no way they’ll let him go to the draft. Someone else on here had brought up a good suggestion in that we may offer to pay small amount of his salary to so it will allow his salary to bump up to higher compo. Not sure if that’s even legal though
 
TheGreatBarryB said:
Nah just rather let him walk. Lions want him they pay, no way they’ll let him go to the draft. Someone else on here had brought up a good suggestion in that we may offer to pay small amount of his salary to so it will allow his salary to bump up to higher compo. Not sure if that’s even legal though
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The just let him walk is the dumbest argument going around.
 
ant555 said:
The just let him walk is the dumbest argument going around.
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The let him walk argument is dumb, but it's a more interesting idea when the destination club is deep in finals and trying to pay their own players, compared to a cellar dweller that can put an exorbitant price on his head. In that scenario the player and destination club have a lot more to lose in the draft than the original club does.

In this particular instance Sydney have the 3rd pick anyway though, so he'd probably end up either there or Adelaide might be the smokey if he goes in the draft. Not sure North would go there, they don't seem to be that interested in fish of any size atm.
 
ant555 said:
The just let him walk is the dumbest argument going around.
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Maybe but we need to make a strong stand as any seller does. He’s a RFA, the buyer wants they pay. Ridiculous just to roll over
 
Lore said:
The let him walk argument is dumb, but it's a more interesting idea when the destination club is deep in finals and trying to pay their own players, compared to a cellar dweller that can put an exorbitant price on his head. In that scenario the player and destination club have a lot more to lose in the draft than the original club does.

In this particular instance Sydney have the 3rd pick anyway though, so he'd probably end up either there or Adelaide might be the smokey if he goes in the draft. Not sure North would go there, they don't seem to be that interested in fish of any size atm.
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Risk for the Swans if they take on his demands is that they will have a lot of money tied up in two possible crock forwards whilst being out of Prem window for some time.
 
Trade period hasn’t even begun yet. As a result everyone is kicking tyres for best case scenario for future trade strategies.

Let’s just see what transpires before we resign to getting pick 19.

In this draft it might not be that bad but I’d hope as always Dods and co are exploring all options for best case scenario.

The Treloar to QLD scenario has left me optimistic we’ll get something back better than just pick 19 compo.
 
The only way Brisbane let him walk to the PSD is if either our demands are too high for a trade, or they are rather meh on the whole Joe coming to Brisbane.

He is a big risk and don't think he's guaranteed to be the difference between them winning a flag or not. Joe at his peak, yes, but he's not really that player atm and no certainty to get back there either.

Take the compo pick and move on. The Hanger would be burnt to the ground if he ends up at Sydney through the PSD for nothing.
 
TheGreatBarryB said:
Maybe but we need to make a strong stand as any seller does. He’s a RFA, the buyer wants they pay. Ridiculous just to roll over
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We did that. Last year.
“Restricted” free agency is rubbish in AFL...in reality, it is only ever so slightly different to unrestricted.
“Best deal For Essendon” is absolutely the priority, but take an asset/assets above letting someone walk and “sending a message”. That’s a behind-the-times mentality.
 
ant555 said:
The just let him walk is the dumbest argument going around.
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In the event of Daniher I’d agree, but not saad.

If they fk around with not paying a fair price for a good player I’d say don’t let the campaigners have him on principle
 
cAsEy_18 said:
We did that. Last year.
“Restricted” free agency is rubbish in AFL...in reality, it is only ever so slightly different to unrestricted.
“Best deal For Essendon” is absolutely the priority, but take an asset/assets above letting someone walk and “sending a message”. That’s a behind-the-times mentality.
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Ah, not really. Restricted free agency is basically identical to being an out of contract player, especially since we've never been able to trade players without consent and rarely force them into the draft. They nearly always get to where they want to go regardless. The only difference is that the original club gets less compensation than they would if the player was OOC and the destination club doesn't have to cough up any draft capital.

Unrestricted free agents have no impediments on their movements whatsoever, and given their relatively lower value, would be easily moved via trade anyway, though they no longer need the consent of their club.

All it really does when clubs are so willing to trade OOC players anyway is allow the clubs at the top to keep topping up as long as they manage their salary caps, while bottom clubs get raided without proper compensation and struggle to meet the salary floor anyway.

I think there are maybe 2-3 examples of an RFA going to a crap club for money.
 
ant555 said:
Think we may have to cop the punishment on this and take the end of first round pick compo. The Lions do not give a toss that we could have got more last year. If you turn it the other way most of us would be saying no we do not want a broken down player who may have been a star 4 seasons ago but has played only 20 odd games in 3 years and has a real issue with his goal kicking. We would certainly not be looking at trading any first round picks for him, even late ones.
Lets face it most are saying Ben Brown is not worth a first round pick.
The end of first round compo pick is in reality worth more than what his current value is. We dropped the ball last year by not even exploring a trade but that has no real reflection on his true value.
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As well as this do you think we should ease up a little on the hardball trading in negotiations general (I think i recall you saying something about that)?

I'm interested to know if you see us as actually being difficult to deal with and if so should we reposition? If so how would you see that helping us in the future?
 
Lore said:
Ah, not really. Restricted free agency is basically identical to being an out of contract player, especially since we've never been able to trade players without consent and rarely force them into the draft. They nearly always get to where they want to go regardless. The only difference is that the original club gets less compensation than they would if the player was OOC and the destination club doesn't have to cough up any draft capital.

Unrestricted free agents have no impediments on their movements whatsoever, and given their relatively lower value, would be easily moved via trade anyway, though they no longer need the consent of their club.

All it really does when clubs are so willing to trade OOC players anyway is allow the clubs at the top to keep topping up as long as they manage their salary caps, while bottom clubs get raided without proper compensation and struggle to meet the salary floor anyway.

I think there are maybe 2-3 examples of an RFA going to a crap club for money.
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So, you’re agreeing with me then?
That at the end of the day, the end result usually isn’t a massive difference regardless of whether the player is a “restricted” or “unrestricted” free agent? The player usually gets to where they want. Unrestricted, obviously with zero impediments, and restricted usually with minimal impediments.
 
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