A Coaching Masterclass by David King

[rose jam]

So this is David King's assessment of the Pies games in the last week

v Carlton - "what we saw was a possible chink in the magpie armour. Hold on to the ball for periods and keep it off them" - 28 point loss

v Richmond - "coaches will take note of how Richmond opened them up with direct play through the centre" - 70 point loss

v Essendon - "other teams will take note of how Essendon managed to press up on them for lone periods" - 30 point loss

v Bulldogs - "saw some cracks in the Magpies. Hold an extra defender behind the ball, switch play and run it through the other side" - 48 point loss



So 4 weeks, 4 different tactics that obviously shows our weaknesses. Can't handle slow ball movement, fast movement, a hard press, or a loose man in defense.

David King is cracking it up muppet style this year. Getting carried away with himself as some sort of super analyst after predicting a Pies flag from about round 15 last year. Kingy don't forget where you came from, assistant coach under Terry at the Tigers.

He's really got my goat, and my goat don't like what Kingy is feeding him

 

[Braddock]

I loved the way he kept going on about how the Bulldogs needed to put Brian Lake in the forward line in the second quarter, despite the fact that the ball spent 90% of the time in our forward half.

Was he really an assistant coach?

 

[Zahki]

He is a bit of a dimwit. Had a massive dummy spit a week ago when the Tiges beat North saying it was an easy kill and trying to downplay it. He's eager, like many others to be the first to find the weakness in Collingwoods gameplan so he can smug it up when we drop a game. I'd say no-one but those in the inner sanctum know exactly what is going on with us at the moment, there have been moments where opposition sides have opened us up but we always seem to storm home in the last so for all we know it could be going all according to plan.

 

[Markfs]

ummm let me give david king a few hints. If you want to beat Collingwood, forget about game style and think more about contested possessions, tackles and efficiency..

 

[The Get Up Kid]

I actually really liked his comments the other day. I thought they should've moved Brian Lake to CHF, they were kicking the ball long and Cooney and others were constantly being beaten. They need to be more accountable but the worry was Lake's fitness, I think I heard on the radio he's playing reserves this week for confidence.

I rated Kingy last year because early in the year he said Collingwood would win the flag and never waivered, gave me a lot of confidence when I heard that.

Also, Paul Roos is the best special comments commentator going around, any team removing a coach this year should go straight for him.

 

[boxy2010]

I liked Roosys comments, very insightful - much like (it hurts to say) Dermie

However, I cant stand Gerard Healy

 

[Jedi01]

Big fan of Kings.

If you take any commentators comments from different games you can make them look contradictory.

 

[3066]

He's eager, like many others to be the first to find the weakness in Collingwoods gameplan so he can smug it up when we drop a game.

yeah I agree ... which is also precisely why I don't get wound up by the comments. Spew enough out and something by way of averages will eventually stick ... then someone will puff their chest out and bang on about it on how right they were.

 

[The Get Up Kid]

By suggesting different strategies it's not just a haphazard thing. Different sides have to think of different ways to play certain teams. I'm quite sure if Richmond pressed up too hard with their team atm they'd fall a lot quicker than Essendon.

You don't think there's only one way to beat a team? You've got to coach a side based on what you have and how to best maximise it against the side you play that week.

 

[mattys123]

I don't think King was actually too wrong in his comments about each of those 4 games, as what it shows is that different teams try to find different weaknesses within our team and game plan, and the results therefore turn out different.

Plus, in most games this year, we have had different personnel to the week before, so slight changes occur when a player re enters the senior team.

It also shows that we are able to adjust from week to week (thanks to our stellar coaching staff) as we don't seem to be able to be exploited in the same way, 2 weeks in a row.

Kingy's not a bad bloke, he was one of the first mid last year to say we could win the flag, and rode us all the way, never wavering in his belief that we were good enough.

 

[Ant85]

Well the question is: how to beat the Pies?

Every Collingwood game, commentators are going to look for any sign of a "weakness" and put their stamp on it.

Expect it all season. Just think that 16 other clubs would love to be in our position right now.

 

[rose jam]

I don't think King was actually too wrong in his comments about each of those 4 games.

But he must be wrong because each time we've either adjusted something or lifted our intensity and wooshka.
So to the super tactician David King, how exactly do you beat a flexible team with lots of very good players? Answer. Get lucky and catch them on an off day. That is all.

 

[The Get Up Kid]

But he must be wrong because each time we've either adjusted something or lifted our intensity and wooshka.
So to the super tactician David King, how exactly do you beat a flexible team with lots of very good players? Answer. Get lucky and catch them on an off day. That is all.

I don't think it's King's fault those teams couldn't execute what he thought might be a way to beat Collingwood.

 

[Pie eyed]

So this is David King's assessment of the Pies games in the last week

v Carlton - "what we saw was a possible chink in the magpie armour. Hold on to the ball for periods and keep it off them" - 28 point loss

v Richmond - "coaches will take note of how Richmond opened them up with direct play through the centre" - 70 point loss

v Essendon - "other teams will take note of how Essendon managed to press up on them for lone periods" - 30 point loss

v Bulldogs - "saw some cracks in the Magpies. Hold an extra defender behind the ball, switch play and run it through the other side" - 48 point loss



So 4 weeks, 4 different tactics that obviously shows our weaknesses. Can't handle slow ball movement, fast movement, a hard press, or a loose man in defense.

David King is cracking it up muppet style this year. Getting carried away with himself as some sort of super analyst after predicting a Pies flag from about round 15 last year. Kingy don't forget where you came from, assistant coach under Terry at the Tigers.

He's really got my goat, and my goat don't like what Kingy is feeding him

Basically all he has done is identify the method, in each case, that an oppo side has managed to score 2 or more goals against Collingwood.
The likelyhood that this is how that side usually scores it's goals against any side is high.
Had he made the suggestion before the game and it was not the side in questions standard gameplan then he may be due some credence.

He is a "special comments" man and one saving grace is that his entire input into the commentary is not to simply say "special" ad nauseum.

If he ever actually coaches I'll be shocked.

 

[jaxter600]

For those citing his accuracy last year in I think the first or second week of AFL360 he stated that WE WOULDN'T WIN THE FLAG THIS YEAR apols for shouting but on that basis I will not believe him this year.

 

[HFF]

I actually don't mind Kingy. Think he is very good value on Fox Sports and offers some very good insight and strong opinions.

He rode us all the way last year, however, he did say this year on AFL 360 that he thinks the Saints (of all teams) will win the flag this season, not Collingwood. That's not looking so good for him now. Bet he wished he had his time all over again.

 

[Jesus Baulks]

I like it when he kicked that overhead goal for us.

 

[shawthing09]

Basically all he has done is identify the method, in each case, that an oppo side has managed to score 2 or more goals against Collingwood.
The likelyhood that this is how that side usually scores it's goals against any side is high.
Had he made the suggestion before the game and it was not the side in questions standard gameplan then he may be due some credence.

He is a "special comments" man and one saving grace is that his entire input into the commentary is not to simply say "special" ad nauseum.

If he ever actually coaches I'll be shocked.

Whilst I agree with your sentiments (and it's deffinately true of Essendon and Richmond) I think something that is being ignored to a much larger degree is how much of it seems to be of our own doing. The fact is we are having massive lapses in intensity which means we look vunerable at times but equally when we do "switch" on we look untouchable.

I think given the time of the year it is I am not worried about fading in and out of games. To be honest I think if we played 4 quarter football we wouldn't have the moments of weakness that allow a guy like Kingy to say that (i.e periods where our massive leads are eaten into) but at the same time we may not have the same drive and freshness to finish off games the way we have been.

On that note does anyone actually have the stat for our average winning margain in last quarters, we are seriously smoking teams.

 

[PieBeast]

The average winning margin in the last quarters is about 27 points

 

[Axe]

From the HS:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...n-third-quarters/story-e6frf9jf-1226049016091

PIES' THIRD TERMS

Round 1 - Collingwood 5.3 Port Adelaide 6.0
Round 2 - Collingwood 6.4 North Melbourne 2.3
Round 3 - Collingwood 3.1 Carlton 3.1
Round 4 - Collingwood 2.3 Richmond 6.3
Round 5 - Collingwood 3.3 Essendon 4.2
Round 6 - Collingwood 3.3 Western Bulldogs 3.4

PIES' FOURTH TERMS

Round 1 - Collingwood 6.5 Port Adelaide 1.2
Round 2 - Collingwood 6.4 North Melbourne 3.2
Round 3 - Collingwood 3.4 Carlton 3.3
Round 4 - Collingwood 9.5 Richmond 2.2
Round 5 - Collingwood 6.5 Essendon 4.1
Round 6 - Collingwood 8.3 Western Bulldogs 1.5

Whilst the 3rd term is not ideal, those 4th quarter averages are something to behold!

 

[Zahki]

Yeah, it's so consistent you have to wonder if it's intentional. I can't see any reason why they'd deliberately slacken off in the 3rd, Mick definitely wasn't happy about the late goals conceded to the Dogs, but our first and last quarters over 6 games have been consistently very good, and our 3rd quarters consistently very bad, surely it's not just coincidence?

 

[Axe]

I wouldn't have thought it was deliberate, but then I wouldn't think that Mick would be too concerned about it just yet. It is only 6 weeks in to the season and we are coming home like a freight train most weeks.

 

[Pie eyed]

Whilst I agree with your sentiments (and it's deffinately true of Essendon and Richmond) I think something that is being ignored to a much larger degree is how much of it seems to be of our own doing. The fact is we are having massive lapses in intensity which means we look vunerable at times but equally when we do "switch" on we look untouchable.

I think given the time of the year it is I am not worried about fading in and out of games. To be honest I think if we played 4 quarter football we wouldn't have the moments of weakness that allow a guy like Kingy to say that (i.e periods where our massive leads are eaten into) but at the same time we may not have the same drive and freshness to finish off games the way we have been.

On that note does anyone actually have the stat for our average winning margain in last quarters, we are seriously smoking teams.

Personally, as has been mentioned by others a few times, I think the "let off" in the second and third quarters is intentional.
Not from the players but the coaching and fitness staff. The rotations change and we seem to be choosing a defensive mind set for long periods.

I personally see no problem as long as it's either tactical or for long term player management. I think it's the latter. MM is experimenting with not only the one less spot on the bench, but also the sub. (as are all clubs)

As long as we keep winning that is.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

David King knows his shit. Im not unhappy with what he is saying at all, a lot of it is true. Last year he was pumping us up from Rd 1 and he ended up looking like a genius.

 

[rose jam]

David King knows his shit. Im not unhappy with what he is saying at all, a lot of it is true. Last year he was pumping us up from Rd 1 and he ended up looking like a genius.

David King just over thinks everything to try and come up with a tactical reason why matches are won and lost. Someone rang in tonight with Leigh Matthews on the call about how do you beat Collingwood and his sentiment was, Collingwood just win contests, on the ground and in the air. So you can press, flip, kick, handball whatever, but if they keep winning contests you won't beat them.
I think this is more the point. David King overrates tactics verses the basics of winning the ball and using your skills.