A Coincidence?

[jo172]

I thought of something today,

It seems most of the much maligned players on BigFooty all played their junior footy at one club - Woodvile/West Torrens Eagles! Think about it, sure they gave us Kenny but they are also responsible for Biglands, Bock, Burton, Shirley and Skipworth.

Firstly what is wrong, are they soft?, Is there something wrong with Woodville's water? Is it all just a Coincidence?

And should we be entrusting them with our interstate young players such as Ferg?

 

[Stiffy_18]

They also gave us Hentschel

My most disliked player is Doughty and he is from South Adelaide

 

[jo172]

Didn't Mr. Pertentschel come from Palmerston Magpies in the NT and only play one season with the Eagles before being drafted? The crucial thing with all the aforementioned eagles players is their decision making however all of them are very good SANFL players.

Can they just get away with their poor disposal in the SANFL or can they just not take the pressure of AFL? and why isn't the Eagles doing anything about it!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Awaiting Jars' response.

 

[tribey]

I had this argument with a mate a few years ago when we also had Cicolella and Crowell on the list (I've also vented my anti-WWT spleen on here more than once).

My point went something along the lines of "would WWT defeat any AFL side in a match for Premiership points? No? Then why the hell is over 25% of our list stacked with Eagles?"

Praise be to Mark Mickan.

 

[Crow-mosone]

My point went something along the lines of "would WWT defeat any AFL side in a match for Premiership points? No? Then why the hell is over 25% of our list stacked with Eagles?"

lol, hard to fault that logic!

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I had this argument with a mate a few years ago when we also had Cicolella and Crowell on the list (I've also vented my anti-WWT spleen on here more than once).

My point went something along the lines of "would WWT defeat any AFL side in a match for Premiership points? No? Then why the hell is over 25% of our list stacked with Eagles?"

Praise be to Mark Mickan.

We do appear to have recruited a high number of duds from WWT. Unfortunatley, a number of them are still on our list.

 

[maccas_no1]

We do appear to have recruited a high number of duds from WWT. Unfortunatley, a number of them are still on our list.

Finger's crossed there will be a super dud cleanout come the end of 2005. Alot players playing for their career's this season, and if they dont perform what excuses have they got left to stay on the list???

Bode, Burton, Smith, Doughty, Ladhams, S. Stevens, Perrie etc *shudders*

 

[Cap]

I disagree with WWT being a breeding ground for duds
if anything WWT would be one of the more skilled teams if the SANFL

alot of these players disposal has gone backwards since coming the crows

that may have something to do with prevoius training routines

 

[Jars458]

Burton Hentschell and McGregor are all key players for us

Shirley and Skipworth are useful back up players

Bock is a joke.

We have had plenty of duds from other clubs too.

 

[Crowked]

I disagree with WWT being a breeding ground for duds
if anything WWT would be one of the more skilled teams if the SANFL

alot of these players disposal has gone backwards since coming the crows

that may have something to do with prevoius training routines

I dont really think they have gone backwards since coming to the Crows, I think their weakness has been exposed since coming to the Crows. Their common major weakness is decision making under pressure on the big stages. This has been proven not only by their average/poor performances for the Crows but also their 3 grand final losses in the past 6 years. There is definately somethinig wrong with the Eagles IMO. Their not all duds in regard to skills but they have definate and serious issues in the up stair department. If I were involved in the Eagles, I would be wanting a new coach and a new era, this one is going nowhere. Also if I were involved at the AFC, I wouldnt recruit any of the Eagles players at the moment, damaged goods IMO.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

You're still paying for Blight's Woodville mafia. Only his utter devotion to tennis dadness would've kept Glyn Hewitt away.

 

[Jars458]

I dont really think they have gone backwards since coming to the Crows, I think their weakness has been exposed since coming to the Crows. Their common major weakness is decision making under pressure on the big stages. This has been proven not only by their average/poor performances for the Crows but also their 3 grand final losses in the past 6 years. There is definately somethinig wrong with the Eagles IMO. Their not all duds in regard to skills but they have definate and serious issues in the up stair department. If I were involved in the Eagles, I would be wanting a new coach and a new era, this one is going nowhere. Also if I were involved at the AFC, I wouldnt recruit any of the Eagles players at the moment, damaged goods IMO.

What a crock.

Would you take players from Clubs that havn't made three grand finals in the last five years instead??

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

I had this argument with a mate a few years ago when we also had Cicolella and Crowell on the list (I've also vented my anti-WWT spleen on here more than once).

My point went something along the lines of "would WWT defeat any AFL side in a match for Premiership points? No? Then why the hell is over 25% of our list stacked with Eagles?"

Praise be to Mark Mickan.

I dont understand your point here.
What SANFL club would beat an AFL side for premiership points? None of them, hence them being in the SANFL.
So we should just draft ex AFL players who know how to beat other AFL clubs?

 

[noddy]

Wasn't it just the one year when we did go a bit WWT crazy in our drafting & maybe Mark Mickan might have had too much of a say in his first couple of years at the club as an assistant coach in regards to the potential of players that he had coached at SANFL level.

Other than that i have no real gripe on the number of players being drafted from the one SA club & let's hope this type of "coincidence" doesn't come up again in a few years time but with the WA club as the beneficiary.

 

[Crowked]

What a crock.

Would you take players from Clubs that havn't made three grand finals in the last five years instead??

No, I would take players from sucesful clubs.

 

[Crowked]

Burton Hentschell and McGregor are all key players for us

Shirley and Skipworth are useful back up players

Bock is a joke.

We have had plenty of duds from other clubs too.

Agreed on Hentchel and McGregor. Shirley and Skipworth arent useful players in the AFL IMO, just not up to it at all.

 

[Jars458]

No, I would take players from sucesful clubs.

So players like Roo Rehn etc wouldn't be drafted by you because they didn't come from succesful clubs.

 

[Mong]

No, I would take players from sucesful clubs.

I wouldn't care what club a player is from. I'd take the best player available.

If we start selecting players on the basis of what club they are from then things are only going to get worse.


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[PAfolwr]

IMO it is a coincidence, but the real question should be why so?
There is no doubt that you have recruited a large number of South Aussies. The real question is, have they been recruited because they are from SA, or because your club thought they were the best players available at the time?
If the answer is A, then it is wrong IMO. If the answer is B, then it is bad luck. Law of averages will see it even out eventually.

AFL is a national game, and as such you should recruit the best available. That also means that from time to time you will have some players that get homesick, but so be it. Even so, when they go home chances are you will get good picks for them more often then not, although not always. In any case, players going back home will be offset by other players wanting to come back home from time to time.

 

[Mong]

I think the majority were coincidence. Although the selection of Brett Burton, I believe, was partially a result of Mark Mickan's influence.

 

[FattyLumpkin]

Is it WWT causing the problems with Crows listed players, or the Crows listed players causing the problems for WWT?

 

[Crowked]

So players like Roo Rehn etc wouldn't be drafted by you because they didn't come from succesful clubs.

My point was why would you recruit players who obviously have mental deficiencies, as almost all of WWT current players have. I can assure you WWT are going to struggle to get over it. Many of their players are never going to get over it. They are the players I wouldnt recruit. If Roo or Rehn were at WWT, they wouldnt be in the screwed up condition they are as a club. Roo and Rehn display the mental toughness WWT players havent, so to answer the direct question about Roo and Rehn, of course you would, but if they continually failed on the big stage as WWT players have, would you? Not me.

 

[Crowked]

I wouldn't care what club a player is from. I'd take the best player available.

If we start selecting players on the basis of what club they are from then things are only going to get worse.


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My point wasnt initially about selecting from particular clubs, but not from a particular club. I wouldnt want any current WWT player to come to the Crows, they are damaged goods IMO and will never have what it takes to win in the big time. Of course we have a couple of decent players from them, ones who have not played there much at all. I fear for the likes of Watts, I want him at the Crows full time, away from WWT.

 

[Cap]

but didnt centrals lose a couple on the trot (GF's that is ?) and they still ended up alright - i'm sure WWT wil bounce back and win one !