A former CHF - "Drugs" - Crows - Our Culture - On reflection.

[Ferris_rules]

Lets be honest we cannot talk about the article probably for legal reasons, but the printed version actually makes reference to Carey and his time at Adelaide and about Trigg.

I must say we have evolved and developed from that time considerably as a club and even if Craig doesnt win us a flag he has instilled a strong positive good culture at our club.

In hindsight the recruitment of Carey IMO was a poor one, when you consider every variable at hand its not the path we should ever go down again and hopefully history will show we have learnt from this mistake.

While I admired and enjoyed Carey playing for us, again on reflection it wasnt a positive move by or club and we should have gone harder for Pavlich at the time!

On a side note does anyone have the infamous rematch of Carey V NM highlights, I remember that match well and enjoyed the pre build up to up and the match itself, we won of course.



http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,26249431-5018553,00.html

The beginning of the end


Article from:
October 23, 2009 11:30pm

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

poor decision because we lost the opportunity to recruit Pav

a great player one of the greatest however a dysfunction bloke

 

[noddy]

The vast majority of Crows supporters would have applauded the Carey signing & was worth the risk for short term gain.

But hindsight is a bummer at times isn't it ?

 

[birdmanptr]

Lets be honest we cannot talk about the article probably for legal reasons, but the printed version actually makes reference to Carey and his time at Adelaide and about Trigg.

If its in print then we can talk about it

But lets be honest here who cares what Carey or any one does of the field.our only concern with players is what they do ON field.

He is not the only guy who has taken drugs or cheated on his wife or went on drinking binges.All this book is ,is topping up the guys superfund and good luck to him ill donate unless some one wants to but it for me for xmas.

I will remember him for what he is and thats a champion footballer what him and any one does off the field i dont care

 

[crowsarethebest]

In hindsight Pav would've probably won us the premiership (or very nearly), however at the time he still was a champion player. He was over the hill when we got him and we only got 2 solid seasons out of him. Ah well, life goes on.

 

[MelbourneCrow]

At the time it was clearly the right thing to do. We thought we were getting that elusive marking forward we coveted. However, we ended up getting a decent contributor but one who was no longer a matchwinner.

 

[cmndstab]

It's an interesting story alright. Assuming it actually went down as he has told it, it sounds like Kelli was not at all happy about Carey wanting to stop the affair and wanted to out him.


This is why people have to learn to nip potential issues like this in the bud early and not just think "I can deal with problems if they arise".

 

[King Elvis]

The vast majority of Crows supporters would have applauded the Carey signing & was worth the risk for short term gain.

But hindsight is a bummer at times isn't it ?

It wasn't a terrible gamble in isolation; although we overpaid massively for him.

But when you put the recruitment of Carey into the context of Pavlich wanting to come home at the same time, it's a massive blunder.

 

[birdmanptr]

It's an interesting story alright. Assuming it actually went down as he has told it, it sounds like Kelli was not at all happy about Carey wanting to stop the affair and wanted to out him.


This is why people have to learn to nip potential issues like this in the bud early and not just think "I can deal with problems if they arise".

Reminds me of Billy Connolly its no good being polite and saying excuse me could you please stop bothering me just look them in the eye and tell them

F$*% OFF

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Hasn't this been done to death already.

 

[Mark Dreher]

Hasn't this been done to death already.

Yes mate you are right but this is one with Schell, that was a massive blunder in the Ayres era that is fast ranking with the Shaw period in hindsight

 

[Geoffa32]

Having Carey at our club may be one of the resasons Craigy is strict on player discipline now. So if we are looking for positives out of the Carey experience that is one.

Another is what Kenny and Perrie learnt from him.


Not to mention the Showdown he won off his boot.

 

[relapse]

Everyone can talk about it in hindsight, but at the time it was the right call. Everyone talks about giving up pick 2(4), but the reality was that Kane Johnson was always indifferent about going back to Melbourne, it was our call to trade him and the only reason we did so was to ontrade the pick to North for Carey. If we weren't trading for Carey we would have never have had that pick in the first place.

2002 we made the prelim, probably could have won if Macca wasn't injured and Edwards didnt get decked by Cloke. The other thing that was sorely missing from our side was a key CHF, we went after Carey to bring us a flag and thought he was the missing link in our side.

After missing 2002 and hurting his knee in 2003 it was always going to take a little time before he was back to playing good football. 2004 there were games which showed us exactly why we recruited Carey, the showdown and especially the game against Essendon where Carey dominated.

I still maintain that if Carey didnt injure his neck we would have won the flag in 2005, I heard an interview not long after he retired where he said that 2003 was a bad year for him, but 2004 the confidence and hunger came back and would have liked to have played at least one more year.

 

[jackster83]

How much does it reek of double standards is it that if a footballer gets drunk/sleeps around/takes drugs/breaks the law/etc the media are all over it like seagulls on a hot chip, but if the lead singer of a rock band does the same thing, it is almost celebrated?

They joke about Snoop Dogg taking drugs, and about the amount of women left to raise a child on their own after a night with Mick Jagger but if an AFL/rugby player does something stupid, then hey let's bring out the "role model" bullcrap.

 

[Geoffa32]

How much does it reek of double standards is it that if a footballer gets drunk/sleeps around/takes drugs/breaks the law/etc the media are all over it like seagulls on a hot chip, but if the lead singer of a rock band does the same thing, it is almost celebrated?

They joke about Snoop Dogg taking drugs, and about the amount of women left to raise a child on their own after a night with Mick Jagger but if an AFL/rugby player does something stupid, then hey let's bring out the "role model" bullcrap.

The only issue I have with sportmans and drugs/drink, is that unlike Rock Stars they dont need their body as much.

I want our footballers to be as fit as they can be to perform for my enjoyment and win games. It sounds selfish but that is the truth. I pay my money and expect the Crows to have 22 players as fit as they can be to perform. I expect that the club ensures that the variable of drugs and drink is kept to a minimum. There are plenty of other ways players can be injured or sick, drugs and drink is one that can be controlled.

I couldnt care less about the image of footballers skolling drinks on Brownlow night, the season is over and the players can do what they want. As long as it is legal.

 

[birdmanptr]

The only issue I have with sportmans and drugs/drink, is that unlike Rock Stars they dont need their body as much.

I want our footballers to be as fit as they can be to perform for my enjoyment and win games. It sounds selfish but that is the truth. I pay my money and expect the Crows to have 22 players as fit as they can be to perform. I expect that the club ensures that the variable of drugs and drink is kept to a minimum. There are plenty of other ways players can be injured or sick, drugs and drink is one that can be controlled.

I couldnt care less about the image of footballers skolling drinks on Brownlow night, the season is over and the players can do what they want. As long as it is legal.

I agree as long as their off field stuff does not affect their on field stuff I DONT CARE WHAT THEY DO OFF FIELD.

As long as the 22 players playing for us each week are in the best shape they can be in thats the bottom line.

When on field is affected by off field then something has to done

 

[craig crowing]

I agree that a lot of us thought getting him was a good idea but it wasnt and dont defend him as he brought a dangerous culture to our club which he has admitted to now .
Lucky for us he moved on when he did and now hopefully the Craig standards and culture is a positive one and boys might be boys but they keep out of the seedy way of life

 

[Stiffy_18]

I agree as long as their off field stuff does not affect their on field stuff I DONT CARE WHAT THEY DO OFF FIELD.

As long as the 22 players playing for us each week are in the best shape they can be in thats the bottom line.

When on field is affected by off field then something has to done

But the thing is, in today's day and age footballer's life off the field has a direct affect on his and sometimes the team's on field performace. Gone are the days where you can hit the piss and get up to no good all week but rock up on saturday afternoon for a game of footy and then go hit the piss again.

These guys are now full time professional athletes. Their lives off the field have a direct affect on their performance on the field and that of the team. The standards these days are much higher than in years gone by. In years gone by Johncock would not have been sent back to SANFL and counselling last year. He would have continued to play in the AFL side.

Throughout his career Wayne Carey's behaviour off the field had an impact on his club. There was the breast grabing case that went to court. There were the alleged drinking binges, the alleged assults, doing a dirty on his mate that nearly destroyed the entire football club. Then there were a number of alleged off-field incidents in his time with us (the alleged overflowing spa incident at the grand) that had the club running around trying to put out a fire after fire. A lot of his indisgressions never made it to the public arena but make no mistake his off-field life does impact the club.

I am pretty sure the sponsors would think about re-newing their deals if you have a footballer in the ranks that kept bringing the negative publicity to the club and by extension to the sponsors.

It is NOT as simple as saying his off-field life is none of our business. It IS the club's business and by extension our business. These player get paid a massive amount of money and with that comes certain amount of responsibility for their standing in society and their behaviour on and off the field. Its a job with high rewards but also a great deal of sacrifice which means toeing the line and living like an upstanding, solid citizen.

Brendan Fevola is a classic example. An A grade tool off the park that has a list of indisgressions as long as his arm but he always performed on the field. Then there came a time when the negative publicity for his off-field shennanigans directly impacted the club to the point where they decided enough if enough.

 

[birdmanptr]

It is NOT as simple as saying his off-field life is none of our business. It IS the club's business and by extension our business. These player get paid a massive amount of money and with that comes certain amount of responsibility for their standing in society and their behaviour on and off the field. Its a job with high rewards but also a great deal of sacrifice which means toeing the line and living like an upstanding, solid citizen.

This is wrong as far as i am concerned just cause a Footballer is reconizable he cant let of steam however a high profile exec can knock off work drink bet on any thing with 4 legs and go crazy nothing said plenty of people see him but not a high profile athelete so no one is interested.

Brendan Fevola is a classic example. An A grade tool off the park that has a list of indisgressions as long as his arm but he always performed on the field. Then there came a time when the negative publicity for his off-field shennanigans directly impacted the club to the point where they decided enough if enough.

If i was a Carlton supporter i would be mighty Peeved of with CH 9 when Fev picked up the microphone to do street talk some one involved with filming the segment should have said Not tonight big fella.However he saw how out of it he was and thought WOW this is going to be great

 

[Stiffy_18]

This is wrong as far as i am concerned just cause a Footballer is reconizable he cant let of steam however a high profile exec can knock off work drink bet on any thing with 4 legs and go crazy nothing said plenty of people see him but not a high profile athelete so no one is interested.



If i was a Carlton supporter i would be mighty Peeved of with CH 9 when Fev picked up the microphone to do street talk some one involved with filming the segment should have said Not tonight big fella.However he saw how out of it he was and thought WOW this is going to be great

Thats the price you pay. With fame comes higher responsibility. The higher execs aren't exactly as readily known as the sport stars. Them is the breaks and despite all of that a great majority of these sport stars continue to live normal lives out of the media frenzy. They don't stuff up, they just go about their business in a professional manner. Its only the few that screw it up.

As for Fevola, it was the straw that broke the camel's back. His street talk episode it not the only reason he got the ass. He has a history of public misdemenour. Every freaking year he is in the headlines about something. And why is it that CH9 cops the flak here.

Fevola knew full well that he is rostered to do the street talk at the Brownlow and believe it or not, he was paid to do it. He could have said no but hey, if you are going to accept to do it, then make sure you are in reasonable condition to do your job. No one expected him to be sober and not have a drop but he was expected to be under control. If he can't handle a drink then thats his problem and not CH9's.

Making excuses for these people is just laughable IMHO.

 

[birdmanptr]

Thats the price you pay. With fame comes higher responsibility. The higher execs aren't exactly as readily known as the sport stars. Them is the breaks and despite all of that a great majority of these sport stars continue to live normal lives out of the media frenzy. They don't stuff up, they just go about their business in a professional manner. Its only the few that screw it up.

As for Fevola, it was the straw that broke the camel's back. His street talk episode it not the only reason he got the ass. He has a history of public misdemenour. Every freaking year he is in the headlines about something. And why is it that CH9 cops the flak here.

Fevola knew full well that he is rostered to do the street talk at the Brownlow and believe it or not, he was paid to do it. He could have said no but hey, if you are going to accept to do it, then make sure you are in reasonable condition to do your job. No one expected him to be sober and not have a drop but he was expected to be under control. If he can't handle a drink then thats his problem and not CH9's.

Making excuses for these people is just laughable IMHO.

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree cause i feel that does not matter who you are you should be able to go out and have fun

AND

CH 9 aint totally innocent IMHO

 

[Stiffy_18]

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree cause i feel that does not matter who you are you should be able to go out and have fun

AND

CH 9 aint totally innocent IMHO

You seem to think that the only way you can have fun is go out, snort some coke, get senselessly drunk and make an ass out of yourself!

I happen to disagree. You can still go out and have fun without getting into illegal activities and making a dick out of yourself.

I am certain there would be many of us on this board that have gone out and had fun and lived an active lifestyle without crossing the line.

You can cross the line once, twice but if it happens the 3rd time then you have some serious issues to address.

Everyone makes mistakes here and there but if you keep making them over and over again without actually learning anything from it, then you are not just having fun, you are being just plain stupid.

How many times have we heard both Carey and Felova say how sorry and remorseful they are after each incident yet just like clockwork there is another **** up right around the corner.

 

[birdmanptr]

You seem to think that the only way you can have fun is go out, snort some coke, get senselessly drunk and make an ass out of yourself!

No i dont where did i sat that what i am saying is if you chose to do this then so be it and galahs do this all the time but we only hear about it if the person doing it its news worthy

I happen to disagree. You can still go out and have fun without getting into illegal activities and making a dick out of yourself.

Totally agree i have only had 2 echos and one can of beer since SANFL GF night 1992 when i was on one of my famous 3-4 day bender and one of my friends filmed part of it.Not good to say the least gave up on the spot

I am certain there would be many of us on this board that have gone out and had fun and lived an active lifestyle without crossing the line.

and i am prepared to bet that there are some who have partied and partied BIG TIME

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Fascinating to read a perspective from Duck's other club.

 

[birdmanptr]

Fascinating to read a perspective from Duck's other club.

Thats a good point whats your take on all this ??