A Proposal for Bryce Gibbs

[Mad Dog]

Biglands blow could spark new strategy

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20509327-21544,00.html

ADELAIDE ruckman Rhett Biglands' season-costing knee injury has hurt the Crows more than first imagined. It has sunk an audacious bid to prise the No. 1 national draft pick from Carlton to secure Glenelg teenager Bryce Gibbs.

Adelaide's obsessive chase of 17-year-old Gibbs manifested recently with the Crows offering Carlton its first-round draft pick (No. 14 overall) and two of its recent first-round draft picks from Victoria.
They are 20-year-old ruckman John Meesen (No. 8 in the 2004 national draft) and 22-year-old midfielder Brent Reilly (No. 12 in 2001).

Port Adelaide also has strived to deal for the No. 1 draft pick from Carlton to claim Gibbs. It put before the Blues its No. 5 draft pick and an undisclosed player or perhaps a choice of players.

Carlton's temptation to consider the No. 14 pick and Meesen - who last month was signed to a 12-month contract extension at West Lakes - and Reilly has been cooled by the reaction the Blues expect if they trade away early draft picks.

Considering Carlton - which was stripped of draft picks in 2002 for its salary cap rorting in the late 1990s - has long lamented its lock out from recruiting the nation's best young talent, trading away early draft picks ahead of the most-anticipated draft in a decade would bring dismay.

Questionable now is whether Adelaide - after losing Biglands to injury and Matthew Clarke to retirement - can afford to put up Meesen for any trade. The Crows' ruck battery next season begins with Ben Hudson returning after missing all of the 2006 AFL season while recuperating from reconstructive knee surgery with the untried Meesen and 20-year-old Ivan Maric as his back-up.

While Adelaide coach Neil Craig has repeatedly dismissed the notion of the Crows trading away players for the chance to get Gibbs, club chief executive Steven Trigg yesterday was not discounting recruiting manager James Fantasia has sought to broker a deal with Carlton.

"I can't say that has not been discussed," Trigg said in Melbourne yesterday.

"But there has been no formal . . . no formality in going through that exercise with Carlton. If James has tested the market, I would not be surprised."

While the AFL's on-field action ended with the epic West Coast-Sydney grand final at the MCG on Saturday, the off-field race to build the 2007 premiership team and those of the next decade starts tomorrow.

ST KILDA tomorrow will begin interviews for the coach to replace Grant Thomas - and the linking of Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams to the job will not fade.

The AFL's DRAFT CAMP - at the Australian Institute of Sport in Canberra - opens on Wednesday with 75 teenagers invited to the three-day talent parade.

The invitees from SA are Gibbs, Port Adelaide Magpies midfielder Lindsay Thomas, West Adelaide defender Chris Schmidt and midfielder Caolan Buckley, North Adelaide forward Shane Edwards, Woodville-West Torrens ruckman Sam Jacobs, Glenelg ruckman James Sellar and defender Mark Austin and South Adelaide forward James Turner.

Also in Canberra, retired Port defender-midfielder Adam Kingsley will be at the AIS to seek his Level 3 credentials - and prepare to join Williams' new coaching staff at Alberton.

TRADE WEEK will open next Monday with the 16 clubs gathering at Princes Park to swap wish lists.

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1. #14 Pick
2. Reilly
3. Meese

....seems a bit pricey to me....

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hypocritical twits!!!!!!

Say one thing.......not going to treat players shabbily in the meat market....loyalty....build from within......so on


Then they "supposedly" go and offer Meesen and Reilly to Carlton who I can guarantee were never going to consider it because their fans would never allow Carlton to trade the first pick away!

forget who the players were.....Reilly and Meesen will be saying (whether the rumour is true or not) ....."we'll that's how much we're wanted"

The AFC just keeps shooting itself in the foot

 

[Mad Dog]

Notice that Rooch mentions that Port Power have made similar offers.....but of cause doesn't name the players...........

The other thing to consider WW is that the club didn't comment on the names offered.....maybe it is just speculation by the author......maybe specific names haven't/weren't discussed.

 

[Captain Wacky]

Notice that Rooch mentions that Port Power have made similar offers.....but of cause doesn't name the players...........

Doesn't everybody already know? Salopek and DeLuca have been suggested, but I'm sure the former would only be traded if he has indicated he's heading home eventually anyway.

Salopek, DeLuca and #5 seems a bit over the odds to me, though.

 

[- PC -]

When you recall Rooch gets half his stuff off of here why be surprised at the names bandied about? I think 3/4 of our list have been discussed in one way or the other. I would be surprised if the AFC recruiting staff were less than discrete in this matter

As to the proposal? Meh I am starting to feel this obsession is causing more issues than it will solve

 

[Mad Dog]

When you recall Rooch gets half his stuff off of here why be surprised at the names bandied about? I think 3/4 of our list have been discussed in one way or the other. I would be surprised if the AFC recruiting staff were less than discrete in this matter

As to the proposal? Meh I am starting to feel this obsession is causing more issues than it will solve

Agreed - this is becoming Pav-esque.... .......hopefully it won't be a distraction for the next 10 years.

 

[Cap]

I think the rooch has just got on the Bryce Gibbs bandwagon and is trying to write artciles to reflact this

Realistically we aren't going to trade for the NO.1 pick - if price gibbs is ever to play for AFC we are going to have to wait until we bomb out one season or another young victorian wants to go home

 

[Jeremias]

Will you EVER give up?

 

[Philhawk]

Will you EVER give up?

I sense fear ...

 

[Cap]

Will you EVER give up?

mate maybe you need to go back to your board if it worris you so much that other clubs are working on ways toget "your" players

 

[Jeremias]

mate maybe you need to go back to your board if it worris you so much that other clubs are working on ways toget "your" players

Not worried at all.

I pity you, actually. You are becoming so desparate that it is sad

Bryce is coming to Carlton whether you like it or not. I have no reason to be worried.

 

[Jeremias]

I sense fear ...

Not at all, phil. I'm just enjoying the hilarious desparation of the Crows

 

[just maybe]

**** off.

Fantasia can quit now if he thinks 3 first round draft picks for Gibbs is a fair deal.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

1. #14 Pick
2. Reilly
3. Meese

....seems a bit pricey to me....

Jesus, surely even James "Amateur Hour" Fantassia wouldn't do that trade.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The AFC just keeps shooting itself in the foot

I would expect the club to look into every possibility to make us stronger. We didn't moan about lack of loyalty when we sent Sean Wellman off to Essendon.

However, it does seem too much to give up. Trading two players and a draft pick for Gibbs would place too much pressure on the youngster anyway. But at least we know that now. We won't have to wonder about what might have been.

 

[Cap]

Not at all, phil. I'm just enjoying the hilarious desparation of the Crows

I don't think the crows are desperate - I think you if you had learnt to read properly this thread is in response to an article in this stats local newspaper

however - as most clubs who don't rely on AFL handouts would do, AFC trys to improve its list by recruiting the best they can - if they can get a deal to secure what they think is the best then I don;t understand what is wrong with that ?

oh thats right you folllow Carlton - you thrive of mediocre

 

[maccas_no1]

To bigger risk, I think the AFC for the moment it has to accept Gibbs will not be a part of its plans, trading the farm for Gibbs is to bigger risk.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Hypocritical twits!!!!!!

Say one thing.......not going to treat players shabbily in the meat market....loyalty....build from within......so on


Then they "supposedly" go and offer Meesen and Reilly to Carlton who I can guarantee were never going to consider it because their fans would never allow Carlton to trade the first pick away!

forget who the players were.....Reilly and Meesen will be saying (whether the rumour is true or not) ....."we'll that's how much we're wanted"

The AFC just keeps shooting itself in the foot

Let's not get too carried away WW. It is probabaly just another parting shot from Rucci before he heads off. Since when did we ever take his word as gospel anyway.

 

[Boundryump]

I wouldn't bother trying to get him i'm sure there will be some good players to pick up with our first picks and we have some good young players etc Douglas,Knights who will improve next season if given a game.

 

[krusher]

Biglands blow could spark new strategy

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20509327-21544,00.html

ADELAIDE ruckman Rhett Biglands' season-costing knee injury has hurt the Crows more than first imagined. It has sunk an audacious bid to prise the No. 1 national draft pick from Carlton to secure Glenelg teenager Bryce Gibbs.

Adelaide's obsessive chase of 17-year-old Gibbs manifested recently with the Crows offering Carlton its first-round draft pick (No. 14 overall) and two of its recent first-round draft picks from Victoria.
They are 20-year-old ruckman John Meesen (No. 8 in the 2004 national draft) and 22-year-old midfielder Brent Reilly (No. 12 in 2001).

Port Adelaide also has strived to deal for the No. 1 draft pick from Carlton to claim Gibbs. It put before the Blues its No. 5 draft pick and an undisclosed player or perhaps a choice of players.

Carlton's temptation to consider the No. 14 pick and Meesen - who last month was signed to a 12-month contract extension at West Lakes - and Reilly has been cooled by the reaction the Blues expect if they trade away early draft picks.

Considering Carlton - which was stripped of draft picks in 2002 for its salary cap rorting in the late 1990s - has long lamented its lock out from recruiting the nation's best young talent, trading away early draft picks ahead of the most-anticipated draft in a decade would bring dismay.

Questionable now is whether Adelaide - after losing Biglands to injury and Matthew Clarke to retirement - can afford to put up Meesen for any trade. The Crows' ruck battery next season begins with Ben Hudson returning after missing all of the 2006 AFL season while recuperating from reconstructive knee surgery with the untried Meesen and 20-year-old Ivan Maric as his back-up.

While Adelaide coach Neil Craig has repeatedly dismissed the notion of the Crows trading away players for the chance to get Gibbs, club chief executive Steven Trigg yesterday was not discounting recruiting manager James Fantasia has sought to broker a deal with Carlton.

"I can't say that has not been discussed," Trigg said in Melbourne yesterday.

"But there has been no formal . . . no formality in going through that exercise with Carlton. If James has tested the market, I would not be surprised."

While the AFL's on-field action ended with the epic West Coast-Sydney grand final at the MCG on Saturday, the off-field race to build the 2007 premiership team and those of the next decade starts tomorrow.

ST KILDA tomorrow will begin interviews for the coach to replace Grant Thomas - and the linking of Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams to the job will not fade.

The AFL's DRAFT CAMP - at the Australian Institute of Sport in Canberra - opens on Wednesday with 75 teenagers invited to the three-day talent parade.

The invitees from SA are Gibbs, Port Adelaide Magpies midfielder Lindsay Thomas, West Adelaide defender Chris Schmidt and midfielder Caolan Buckley, North Adelaide forward Shane Edwards, Woodville-West Torrens ruckman Sam Jacobs, Glenelg ruckman James Sellar and defender Mark Austin and South Adelaide forward James Turner.

Also in Canberra, retired Port defender-midfielder Adam Kingsley will be at the AIS to seek his Level 3 credentials - and prepare to join Williams' new coaching staff at Alberton.

TRADE WEEK will open next Monday with the 16 clubs gathering at Princes Park to swap wish lists.

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1. #14 Pick
2. Reilly
3. Meese

....seems a bit pricey to me....

Sth Australians - get over gibbs - carlton will not trade after our recent history and he will be a carlton player for the next 15 years . you chased Kernahan for years and never got him back and you will never get gibbs back. the go home factor is over-rated for the real champions of the game - that is why they are champs

 

[Mad Dog]

Not worried at all.

I pity you, actually. You are becoming so desparate that it is sad

Bryce is coming to Carlton whether you like it or not. I have no reason to be worried.

2 Wooden Spoons in a row....in fact 3 in the last 5 years after not having finished bottom in 105 years.........

no no......

we pity you.....

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Sth Australians - get over gibbs - carlton will not trade after our recent history and he will be a carlton player for the next 15 years . you chased Kernahan for years and never got him back and you will never get gibbs back. the go home factor is over-rated for the real champions of the game - that is why they are champs

Here, here.

 

[macca23]

Nothing wrong with sniffing around.

Carlton has the worst playing list in the comp and probably should do such a deal to bolster its playing stocks with genuine AFL players.

But from a Crows point of view that is a ridiculous trade - far far too much to give up for a young untried player, albeit that he is likely to be a damn good one.

Still, that is the standard offer that has been suggested for weeks by some on this board now, so it's not too hard to guess where Rucci got his alleged facts from.

 

[just maybe]

It's hilarious to see Carlton fans trying to take the high ground after the pathetic limp-wristed cowardice of their club since 1995, a premiership they had to cheat to win.

 

[just maybe]

How pathetic are Carlton fans? Trolling our board because they're afraid of losing Gibbs and their miserable club getting worse.

Can't imagine anything more embarrassing than 3 spoons in the last 5 years after none in their history, including the last 2 in a row. Simply pathetic and shows how completely rubbish their club is.

And geez, someone should take that 1995 premiership away from them, because we all know they have no right to it, being the cowardly and deceitful salary cap cheats they are.

Yep, nothing but shame to feel as a Carlton fan. I laugh in hilarity every time their pathetic club gets thrashed. They're the joke of the competition.