Strategy A serious thread about Dimma's future

[This Is Anfield]

Has anyone else noticed that Gale and Peggy have fallen off the face of the earth this season?

The only thing I've heard about Gale was when he came out and announced that we wouldn't be rushing to sign Hardwick again (which was very welcome news for me).

But Peggy has been unsighted.

Interesting.

Probably because we are 5-3 and in the eight.
Doubtful that they feel any pressing need.

 

[Bojangles17]

I have a fairly contrarian view to most, whilst our list is diamond tipped it no doubt falls away a bit and there are times when we are going to be quite vulnerable. My pre season forecast was that we could make the finals if we win enough games . A fortnight ago , most would say, we ll learn a bit about RFC , we weren't exactly a shoe in either clash and lost by <1g. IMHO Dimma is coaching the best I've seen of him given our playing stocks , we are balls deep in every contest and how the game unfolded yesterday demonstrates the players are responding

With the start we ve got , finals are a must . We re well poised and at 5-3 my pre season forecast is currently on point

 

[Achilles Heel]

Brenton Sanderson and Brendan McCartney were sacked and replaced after they did the groundwork by Don Pyke and Luke Beveridge respectively. TheLoungeLizard said something really interesting late last year that I thought was great and spot on...Damien was perfect for our first few years working us into a good position but then most likely should be upgraded to take us to the next level. I think that's the case. Anybody being negative towards Dimma is foolish IMO, he is doing his job like anybody would, he is the employed not the employer. He seems to be a hobby farmers tractor expected to to do real work on a professional farm, don't blame the tractor...blame the equipment manager.

I don't blame him , the blame lies higher up

 

[Nantes]

I don't blame him , the blame lies higher up

Exactly.

 

[Phar Ace]

Not a poor analogy. Just think about it more deeply
We shouldn't blame Hardwick, he is doing his job at his level. Blame the morons extending the contract with a whole season to run and blame them for pissing in our pockets. It's not Hardwicks fault he was re-signed, what do you expect him to say "Nah, cheers Benny and Pegz but I'd prefer to sit at home watching Ellen Degeneres and eating two minute noodles, stuff your extension offer!". It's like a chess board.

I think it is poor, sorry. The employee framework you painted was one of underling or general hand. He is at the very least a Manager who wields considerable power and influence in the Football Department I do think about it deeply - have done since 2014 when I (and everyone else) could see the wheels falling off only to miraculously roll again.

Damien wasn't employed to just coach at his one level - it is not a static thing. He would be producing Plans designed to produce outcomes. Considering various strategies, developing implementation models and versions thereof, seeking guidance and sounding boards to do so. He is the one with the responsibility. He didn't just say "oh OK you guys if you really want me to go on - shucks of course I will".

Through his management the extension would have been pitched and sold. There may well have been some mutual discussion, but Hardwick and his management would have formally requested it with a proposal. This would have then been recommended by the Head of the Football Department with it's own thoughts and recommendations and the RFC Board would have considered all of the information.

 

[Hans McGregor]

Brenton Sanderson and Brendan McCartney were sacked and replaced after they did the groundwork by Don Pyke and Luke Beveridge respectively. TheLoungeLizard said something really interesting late last year that I thought was great and spot on...Damien was perfect for our first few years working us into a good position but then most likely should be upgraded to take us to the next level. I think that's the case. Anybody being negative towards Dimma is foolish IMO, he is doing his job like anybody would, he is the employed not the employer. He seems to be a hobby farmers tractor expected to to do real work on a professional farm, don't blame the tractor...blame the equipment manager.

I don't think a "finisher" style coach would help at all.

The rebuild was a 2 bit job. Massive holes in the list. Still a big problem with depth.

 

[Nantes]

I think it is poor, sorry. The employee framework you painted was one of underling or general hand. He is at the very least a Manager who wields considerable power and influence in the Football Department I do think about it deeply - have done since 2014 when I (and everyone else) could see the wheels falling off only to miraculously roll again.

Damien wasn't employed to just coach at his one level - it is not a static thing. He would be producing Plans designed to produce outcomes. Considering various strategies, developing implementation models and versions thereof, seeking guidance and sounding boards to do so. He is the one with the responsibility. He didn't just say "oh OK you guys if you really want me to go on - shucks of course I will".

Through his management the extension would have been pitched and sold. There may well have been some mutual discussion, but Hardwick and his management would have formally requested it with a proposal. This would have then been recommended by the Head of the Football Department with it's own thoughts and recommendations and the RFC Board would have considered all of the information.

Oh my, this is quite uncomfortable...who signed him up for an extension? (You thinking about it) exactly.

 

[Achilles Heel]

Exactly.

They are spineless, he should have not been resigned so early, and further should have been sacked for bringing the club into disrepute for the pressers after every loss, if some of his pressers weren't demeaning to the RFC and the way he carried on , and we rewarded him even further by sending him to Harvard .

The club is a boys club at the top( apologies to aunt peg) only club with a femal president couldn't get a gig in the women's comp, they have no ****ing idea a football club is about churning out football teams not running gymnasiums, it's about winning football matches , not about making the balance sheet look good, win games and the balance sheet looks after itself.

I'm sure the doggies are bemoaning running at a loss, so is hawthorn, the swans have been insolvent how many times? 5 yet they are classed as a successful club,

RFC is spineless,

 

[Achilles Heel]

One of his biggest flaws, consistency of message. Chops and changes as often as us most of us do underwear and socks each morning. I'm not sure he believes this is the best list and it's likely not as it has serious deficiencies.
Back in 2010, 11, 12 and 13, Hardwick was very strong and consistent with his messaging, most pressers are a train wreck these days and a clear contradiction from week to week.

Speak for yourself regarding under ware

 

[Nantes]

I don't think a "finisher" style coach would help at all.

The rebuild was a 2 bit job. Massive holes in the list. Still a big problem with depth.

Well we will never know what could have been. Such is life.

 

[Achilles Heel]

When did there's start?

Who,gives a **** about Carltoon, at least they have had some success since the last time we saw any

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Call me mental but I'm more inclined to believe Leigh Matthews analogies.

 

[Achilles Heel]

Call me mental but I'm more inclined to believe Leigh Matthews analogies.

Leigh Mathews doesn't consider us a serious football club, we are just making up the numbers the football world will not take us seriously until things change, fmd if hardwick was a favourite don, I maybe could understand it, Bartlett was a shit coach . Look at what he had to work with and got sacked, this guy has had more resources given to him than any other Richmond coach in our history and all he has served us is a shit cake with the cream on the top.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Matthews has no opinion on Hardwick.
I'm just referring to his theory that the players make the coach and I fully agree.

 

[TigerImposter]

Then why have a coach?

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

You need a coach.
But he basically says there is only so much you can do with a bunch of players who aren't good enough and it's easy when you get a group that are guns.
All I am saying is sacking Hardwick will fix nothing. It has to be more than just Hardwick but a massive list change.

 

[Achilles Heel]

You need a coach.
But he basically says there is only so much you can do with a bunch of players who aren't good enough and it's easy when you get a group that are guns.
All I am saying is sacking Hardwick will fix nothing. It has to be more than just Hardwick but a massive list change.

You do need a coach, one who doesn't go hiding in the back of the coaching box when the game is on the line, mate the commentators are taking the piss, and you know what hardwick is taking the piss with the club big time.

It will be interesting when both us and the scum are looking for a new coach next year and looking in the same market, who blinks first do you reckon, us or them?

 

[Phar Ace]

Oh my, this is quite uncomfortable...who signed him up for an extension? (You thinking about it) exactly.

It's not that uncomfortable - you must not think that Hardwick needs to make a case for extension once has his initial contract. He simply pays his manager a percentage until the Club thinks otherwise......

I think it different to that. We all have financial commitments whether we are a meat processor or an AFL coach. in order to achieve the things we want in life we have to make a case for it, to Football Departments, to banks, to customers, to suppliers. We went early for a reason, I don't think it was one thing alone.

 

[Nantes]

It's not that uncomfortable - you must not think that Hardwick needs to make a case for extension once has his initial contract. He simply pays his manager a percentage until the Club thinks otherwise......

I think it different to that. We all have financial commitments whether we are a meat processor or an AFL coach. in order to achieve the things we want in life we have to make a case for it, to Football Departments, to banks, to customers, to suppliers. We went early for a reason, I don't think it was one thing alone.

I love meat processors, especially Italian sausages...but the point for us is, it comes down to the employer not the employee. To use a ridiculously overused quote...the fish rots from the head.

 

[Phar Ace]

You need a coach.
But he basically says there is only so much you can do with a bunch of players who aren't good enough and it's easy when you get a group that are guns.
All I am saying is sacking Hardwick will fix nothing. It has to be more than just Hardwick but a massive list change.

But it takes years for any "massive list change". Clubs develop good and bad cultures - look at StKilda. Things change and if the Head Coach can't or won't change the playing culture, then it is beholden on the Club to do something. Playing cultures can be endemic in the entire list or just largely influenced by a few individuals, including the coaches.

 

[Phar Ace]

I love meat processors, especially Italian sausages...but the point for us is, it comes down to the employer not the employee. To use a ridiculously overused quote...the fish rots from the head.

The employer funds the Senior Coach arrangement but doesn't necessarily have all the power - that shifts - again it is not static. Clarko had no need to request an extension during the three-peat, the Club brings it to him. You think Collingwood is in the same boat? Bet it's all Bucks and his Manager's pitch this year. Power shifts all the time.

 

[Nantes]

The employer funds the Senior Coach arrangement but doesn't necessarily have all the power - that shifts - again it is not static. Clarko had no need to request an extension during the three-peat, the Club brings it to him. You think Collingwood is in the same boat? Bet it's all Bucks and his Manager's pitch this year. Power shifts all the time.

Lets just agree to disagree. Do I think we would be better or at least see positive changes with a new coach? Yes. In the last re-singing of Damien where he still had a year to go after failing for the third consecutive time to win a final do I blame the people who decided to give him a two year contract? Yes. Do I blame Damien and his management for trying to secure that extension given it would be his family's main income? No.

 

[TigerImposter]

Lets just agree to disagree. Do I think we would be better or at least see positive changes with a new coach? Yes. In the last re-singing of Damien where he still had a year to go after failing for the third consecutive time to win a final do I blame the people who decided to give him a two year contract? Yes. Do I blame Damien and his management for trying to secure that extension given it would be his family's main income? No.

Agree it's not DH fault he's still employed by the RFC. I recall the two extensions he received Gale was overseas on business duties at major sporting events( I could be wrong) . I reckon DH didn't even interview for the jobs and was just given a tap on the bum and told he was doing a wonderful job. He basically like most RFC employees didn't interview for his position and was given a green card. Gale and Peg messed up and the review was a token gesture to divert the attention from their incompetence. Why weren't the findings sent back to us ? It was an indictment on them and this is why Gale stated recently he's not going early in DH. The review would have alerted them on how incapable and incompetent our FD was as well as the both of them .
DH is the luckiest man going around with those two clowns , but if he was at ManU he wouldn't have seen his first year out.
Different cultures as one club prides itself around success as the other just wants a snug little stable warm nest.

 

[Madness101]

Time to offer Paul Roos 1.5 million a year on a 5 year contract.

 

[wegetpumped]

I wanted him gone in the 2013-2014 days and at the end of 2016, but now that he is on until 2018 I am inclined to keep him around if Dusty re-signs regardless of whether we make finals or not this year so that he has one final off-season and season to make it work. Reason why I say that is because I feel like the 2016 off-season and the 2017 off-season is a 2-step plan (fix the midfield/small forward/ruck issues in 2016 and then fix the KPP problems + maybe get one or two tall midfielders in the 2017 off-season). It isn't easy to fix every single issue you have in one off-season due to limited picks and we had A LOT of issues last year. The KPPs (especially the KPFs) department is currently our major flaw, and if we fix that in the off-season then I think we have a decent list AND a decent gameplan that Hardwick + the new coaches have brought.

I actually think that Hardwick has brought out a lot from our list this year but is hampered by the lack of tall targets in our forward line and injuries, so I don't think he is to blame for some of our shortcomings per se. His coaching has largely been fine this year from a tactical and match-up perspective (maybe with the exception of some questionable selections). Little he can do with the shape of our list right now, so once he is given the complete array of depth (in most positions) that he needs to contend, then we can see if we can continue.

Like most people say that he has taken us the best place he could and should have been gone ages ago. I won't go into details as i'm sure we have discussed over and over. The thing with letting him stay on to fix things means that by the time he fixes them we will end up back to square one as by than our better class players will be too old retired and watching from the fence.