A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

[BringBackTorps]

SMH 3.10.20

Big changes soon to be enacted against NSW pokie clubs.

"The harm minimisation legislation... is the most significant gaming reform in the state's history".






EDIT:

Cash ban as gambling card to overhaul $6b pokie industry in NSW

NSW will move to completely cashless poker machines and players will be required to register for a government-issued gambling card.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

The new pokie legislation will pass the NSW Upper House, since it is supported by the Greens & One Nation. The cashless Gaming Card (long process to obtain one) is a major change- pokies inoperative without them.

C. 4 Sydney NRL clubs are facing an existential threat (unless they slash costs). Poker machines will become cashless- ie a card, with ID etc. will be required to play.

The requirement for a "pre-loaded" pre-commitment pokie machine card is very likely to reduce NSW Licensed Gaming Clubs' revenues & profits.
Will the affiliated Leagues Clubs still be able to fund some Sydney NRL Clubs at the same levels (currently c. $20m pa, in total?)?



Canterbury, Parramatta, & Penrith NRL clubs' pokie affiliates caused c. $190m losses for punters- for 2017 only.

The overall harm caused by evil poker machines was estimated at $4.7b in 2017.

NRL clubs and poker machines: is there not another way to raise funds? | Matt Cleary

If clubs really are aspirational and inspirational champions of the community, other less socially damaging revenue streams must be tapped into

www.theguardian.com

Revolting Hawthorn FC ("The Family Club"-sic), based in the Melb's. comfortable eastern suburbs, has nearly all its large no. of pokies in Melb.'s disadvantaged, lower socio-economic western suburbs. Carlton & Essendon are also very exploitative.
Footscray, NMFC, Collingwood, & many other AFL Clubs have banned/greatly reduced them.

I would like to see all these evil machines banned around Aust., except for 1 central CBD casino in each State- similar to WA.



EDIT 2:

"Despite the rhetoric of community goodwill, the brutal truth is that Clubs are in the business of turning their poker machine patrons into problem gamblers".

Pokie Profits Investigation: clubs put executive pay, the state and empire building before community service - Michael West

Huge gaming profits versus a minuscule return to the community. Vaulting pay for their executives and billions for the NSW Government. These are the findings of the most in-depth investigation into top NSW club finances to date.

www.michaelwest.com.au

 

[jatz14]

Haha, didn't you say you are a swans supporter little man?

He never mentions Swans on LU.



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[Kwality]

I would like to see all these evil machine banned around Aust., except for 1 central CBD casino- similar to WA.

The pokies States are rewarded under the current GST calculations, so a double whammy for the State budgets.

 

[NoobPie]

The pokies States are rewarded under the current GST calculations, so a double whammy for the State budgets.

Straight from the state owned WA Koolaide factory

 

[Kwality]

Straight from the state owned WA Koolaide factory

Dips m'lid to the entitled ...... in your alternate strip today

 

[Aussie in exile]

SMH 3.10.20

Big changes soon to be enacted against NSW pokie clubs.

"The harm minimisation legislation... is the most significant gaming reform in the state's history".






EDIT:

Cash ban as gambling card to overhaul $6b pokie industry in NSW

NSW will move to completely cashless poker machines and players will be required to register for a government-issued gambling card.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

The new pokie legislation will pass the NSW Upper House, since it is supported by the Greens & One Nation. The cashless Gaming Card (long process to obtain one) is a major change- pokies inoperative without them.

C. 4 Sydney NRL clubs are facing an existential threat (unless they slash costs). Poker machines will become cashless- ie a card, with ID etc. will be required to play.

The requirement for a "pre-loaded" pre-commitment pokie machine card is very likely to reduce NSW Licensed Gaming Clubs revenues & profits.
Will the affiliated Leagues Clubs still be able to fund some Sydney NRL Clubs at the same levels (currently c. $20m pa, in total?)?



Canterbury, Parramatta, & Penrith NRL clubs'-pokie affiliates caused c. $190m losses for punters- for 2017 only.

The overall harm caused by evil poker machines was estimated at $4.7b in 2017.

NRL clubs and poker machines: is there not another way to raise funds? | Matt Cleary

If clubs really are aspirational and inspirational champions of the community, other less socially damaging revenue streams must be tapped into

www.theguardian.com

Revolting Hawthorn FC ("The Family Club"-sic), based in the Melb's. comfortable eastern suburbs, has nearly all its large no. of pokies in Melb.'s disadvantaged, lower socio-economic western suburbs. Carlton & Essendon are also exploititive.
NMFC, Collingwood, & many other AFL Clubs have banned/greatly reduced them.

I would like to see all these evil machines banned around Aust., except for 1 central CBD casino in each State- similar to WA.



EDIT 2:

"Despite the rhetoric of community goodwill, the brutal truth is that Clubs are in the business of turning their poker machine patrons into problem gamblers".

Pokie Profits Investigation: clubs put executive pay, the state and empire building before community service - Michael West

Huge gaming profits versus a minuscule return to the community. Vaulting pay for their executives and billions for the NSW Government. These are the findings of the most in-depth investigation into top NSW club finances to date.

www.michaelwest.com.au

In my opinion all forms are gambling are evil. They wreak people lives and bring misery to millions
I would expect that Casinos will be next on the list to be shut down

 

[Kappa]

In my opinion all forms are gambling are evil. They wreak people lives and bring misery to millions
I would expect that Casinos will be next on the list to be shut down

Are they evil because they're a business who tries to make money from their customers?

 

[Colonial]

In my opinion all forms are gambling are evil. They wreak people lives and bring misery to millions
I would expect that Casinos will be next on the list to be shut down

So you want every business shut down? After all it’s always about making money.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

In my opinion all forms are gambling are evil. They wreak people lives and bring misery to millions
I would expect that Casinos will be next on the list to be shut down

If history has taught us anything about making vices illegal, it's that it doesn't stop the use of them, it just drives them underground, enriching organised crime. Granted, it's hard to operate pokie machines illegally, but other forms of gambling will still happen illicitly.

A better solution is to educate the next generation so fewer of them take up gambling at all.

 

[Rob]

If history has taught us anything about making vices illegal, it's that it doesn't stop the use of them, it just drives them underground, enriching organised crime. Granted, it's hard to operate pokie machines illegally, but other forms of gambling will still happen illicitly.

A better solution is to educate the next generation so fewer of them take up gambling at all.

To be fair, WA has (by a fair way) the lowest per capita gambling losses in the country.

Gambling: Australian gambling statistics | Queensland Government Statistician's Office

www.qgso.qld.gov.au

Whilst gaming losses are obviously a long way behind, the increase in other forms of gambling doesn't make up the difference.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

To be fair, WA has (by a fair way) the lowest per capita gambling losses in the country.

Gambling: Australian gambling statistics | Queensland Government Statistician's Office

www.qgso.qld.gov.au

Whilst gaming losses are obviously a long way behind, the increase in other forms of gambling doesn't make up the difference.

Certainly, nothing's as big a money spinner for the parasitic gambling operators as pokies. I'm all in favour of the WA model for pokies, I just don't believe in banning other forms of gambling like sports or card games.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. Important data from NoobPie which, AFAIK, is very rarely noted, comparing the major differentials of AFL Peak viewing nos. with NRL Peaks

"...the difference between (AFL) peak viewership was far higher than the (AFL) average (Only average AFL viewing nos. usually reported- my words)...".

AFL Peak viewing figures in Brisbane on 2.10 were c. 42% higher (149k- 211k) than the average AFL; but NRL peaks were only c. 12% higher (115k -129k) than their average. There was no Qld. team playing in an NRL Final on 2.10

Can anyone confirm this differential is typical of all AFL & NRL games in Brisbane? Ditto in Sydney?
If so, AFL telecast games in Sydney & Brisbane are providing much more exposure for the AFL than what the, usually reported, Average ratings indicate- which helps to grow the AFL & GR AF considerably.

Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

Thanks for that. It looks like the numbers have been pretty stable for the three codes between 2016 and what the 2020 line up of teams was going to be pre-Covid. in essence the code of AF is stronger than what it has been for some time due to GWS involvement, but not as strong as what it was...

www.bigfooty.com

(Go to post #290).




2. Roy Masters 4.6.20

Masters said:-

. "RA has just announced a 40% cut in staff, after staving off insolvency...". Re elite RU, it "...faces a player exodus...".

. "RA's funding of community rugby continues at the paltry rate of only 3.6% of revenue (Doom for RU in Aust.- my emphasis & words)".
(Therefore, if GR male contact RU continues its long term decline in Sydney, then GR AF, & the AFL, will very likely benefit strongly in Sydney's NS & ES; but RL will be the main beneficiary in other parts of Sydney: nearly all NZ & Pasifika background players & fan in Sydney etc. will switch to RL).

. quoting Media & Sports' expert C. Smith, where Smith said " RA must get their transformation on & off the field absolutely right this time, otherwise their fan base will disappear".

. "NZ...where RU is almost a civic religion"... but!
"The Kiwis are investing in 'Aratipu', the Maori word for growth, (due to its long term male contact decline) which is code for the survival [!] of their game (RU in NZ- my emphases & words)".

Rugby Australia fiddles while the code burns

On the field and off, rugby union faces challenges like never before.

www.traveller.com.au

3. I have previously posted in this thread re the long term, significant decline of GR male contact RU in NZ (the antipodean RU malaise). This was part of the reason NZ RU instigated the Aratipu Report (which recently delivered its Findings that a new, Super Ao, 6th team in NZ was inadvisable- due to a lack of sufficient elite NZ depth, for a 6th team; & even the current 5 teams suffer from a lack of depth).

This long term decline in GR male contact RU nos. in NZ will cause the average skill levels to decline in the NRL. This will have a detrimental effect on NRL Ratings, Rights' $, crowds, sponsorships, MSM coverage etc. because, in the NRL, c. 45%+ of current NRL players are:-

. born in NZ, or in Pacific countries
. are born in Aust., but from NZ Euro. or Pasifika heritage
. and c. 50%+, currently in Aust., of elite RL & RU U16, U18, & U20 players are from a NZ or Pasifika background.


Details (with links) of the:-

. Aratipu Report
. long term decline in NZ GR male contact RU nos.
. decline in Ratings ("a ticking timebomb") for RU in NZ (particularly younger demographics); & decline in Super (pre2020) crowds.

are here

Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

Thanks for that. It looks like the numbers have been pretty stable for the three codes between 2016 and what the 2020 line up of teams was going to be pre-Covid. in essence the code of AF is stronger than what it has been for some time due to GWS involvement, but not as strong as what it was...

www.bigfooty.com

(Go tp post#277).

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Revolting Hawthorn FC ("The Family Club"-sic), based in the Melb's. comfortable eastern suburbs, has nearly all its large no. of pokies in Melb.'s disadvantaged, lower socio-economic western suburbs. Carlton & Essendon are also very exploitative.
Footscray, NMFC, Collingwood, & many other AFL Clubs have banned/greatly reduced them.

Well, Hawthorn has had to do it all on their own, they don't exist on hand-outs like many other AFL clubs, especially GWS and Sydney. They have to raise revenue from somewhere, especially with the AFL asking them for even more to support other clubs. BTW, in case you hadn't realised, Hawthorn is at Waverley, have been for 20 years.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Well, Hawthorn has had to do it all on their own, they don't exist on hand-outs like many other AFL clubs, especially GWS and Sydney. They have to raise revenue from somewhere, especially with the AFL asking them for even more to support other clubs. BTW, in case you hadn't realised, Hawthorn is at Waverley, have been for 20 years.

Yeah, they really need those super profits so they can spunk $130 million on Dingley. Don't pretend Hawthorn is a hard luck case.

 

[Kwality]

Are they evil because they're a business who tries to make money from their customers?

They have been a lifeline for many footy clubs in the not for profit sector.

 

[Les Malone]

I don't agree with pokie palaces, but based on the size of the clubs floor space i agree with a cap per square meter or some other fair measure

whilst some people are addicted, alcohol and smokes and probably junk food do more damage.

i don't have a problem with them, they are a life saver for many clubs, if you don't like them don't play them, but if they are gone get ready to pay more for food and beer

I also don't agree with just one casino in Perth, we should have 3/4 and not just one conglomerate having the whole city to themselves, competition is good on many levels for food, grog, nights out, entertainment, accommodation etc etc etc

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I don't agree with pokie palaces, but based on the size of the clubs floor space i agree with a cap per square meter or some other fair measure

whilst some people are addicted, alcohol and smokes and probably junk food do more damage.

i don't have a problem with them, they are a life saver for many clubs, if you don't like them don't play them, but if they are gone get ready to pay more for food and beer

I also don't agree with just one casino in Perth, we should have 3/4 and not just one conglomerate having the whole city to themselves, competition is good on many levels for food, grog, nights out, entertainment, accommodation etc etc etc

Within a paragraph, you go from acknowledging some people are addicted to pokies to saying "if you don't like them don't play them"? I presume you're aware of the seriousness of addiction?

I agree on competition amongst casinos though. Exclusivity distorts the system.

 

[Les Malone]

Within a paragraph, you go from acknowledging some people are addicted to pokies to saying "if you don't like them don't play them"? I presume you're aware of the seriousness of addiction?

I agree on competition amongst casinos though. Exclusivity distorts the system.

in a moment of saneness anyone can ban themselves from casinos or clubs or ask their partners or who ever to do it

as one of my tennis partners would say - discipline is the key - as you attempt to smack another winner down the sideline over the highest part of the net rather than play the % down the middle

the system is far from perfect, you navigate it as best as you can, people fall by the wayside, people pick themselves up

 

[Kwality]

Within a paragraph, you go from acknowledging some people are addicted to pokies to saying "if you don't like them don't play them"? I presume you're aware of the seriousness of addiction?

I agree on competition amongst casinos though. Exclusivity distorts the system.

So you want more casinos, why not just leave pokie palaces?

 

[jatz14]

Are they evil because they're a business who tries to make money from their customers?

So do the Colombian cartels.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Kappa]

So do the Colombian cartels.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app

Is that a serious response?

 

[jatz14]

Is that a serious response?

Lets see.

Dont believe in excessive government regulation or oversite.
Believe consumers should be left to make up their own minds, and shouldn't have it made for them by nameless autocrats.
Dont believe in taxes.
Like guns.

I'm surprised Trump hasn't invited them to a rally, they're the Republican ideal taken to its logical conclusion.

 

[Colonial]

Lets see.

Dont believe in excessive government regulation or oversite.

incorrect. If drugs were legal they would be losing money in the billions.

 

[Les Malone]

Lets see.

Dont believe in excessive government regulation or oversite.
Believe consumers should be left to make up their own minds, and shouldn't have it made for them by nameless autocrats.
Dont believe in taxes.
Like guns.

I'm surprised Trump hasn't invited them to a rally, they're the Republican ideal taken to its logical conclusion.

Um, this is about pokies in Australia primarily about footy clubs, but its clear whats on your mind and your need to work it into every post.

 

[RedV3x]

I'm all in favour of the WA model for pokies,

The problem is the widespread availability of pokies in clubs like "leagues clubs".
W.A and S.A. don't have those clubs.
Gambling is physically restricted to going to the one casino.
Gambling on lotteries is higher but not normally considered a problem.
Unfortunately online gambling is picking up the slack - it's even easier than pokies to lose your money.