A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

[FootyJunkie]

Southern Sydney Celtics - gets first dibs on any GAA players who want to come down under to play AFL

Fan base catchment area goes all the way down to the Shire

Stand alone home season opener game on March 17th each season.

20-30 years away…

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Just so everyone is clear I have zero issue with growing the game in rl heartland. All I'm saying is that it is not viable - yet - may never be who knows but it's at least a generation away for viability.

GC and GWS are good examples of why HQ are not talking about a 3rd team, there's not enough capital to go down the same path as the two latest clubs.

This is not having a go, so don't take offence. I'm merely stating the reality of the situation.

I get why HQ are pulling out all stops in states north of the murray, it's foreign and what to grow the game. Hell I WANT THAT! but this is not an overnight flick the switch job.

It's decades and generations to have the same landscape as the rest of the country.

Remember the whole premise of the thread is on the back of an article about jr school programs in nsw putting up goal posts. The AFL have near zero to do with it by the way apart from some positive commentary from some officer in the ranks at HQ - nothing more.

mate you are chopping and changing what you are talking about and when challenged you go back to saying that NSW and QLD aren’t heartland areas and aren’t ready for a third side, which has nothing to do with what they were replying to and something no one has disputed.

 

[Carringbush2010]

mate you are chopping and changing what you are talking about and when challenged you go back to saying that NSW and QLD aren’t heartland areas and aren’t ready for a third side, which has nothing to do with what they were replying to and something no one has disputed.

Have you read the thread title?

 

[abcde12345]

Just so everyone is clear I have zero issue with growing the game in rl heartland. All I'm saying is that it is not viable - yet - may never be who knows but it's at least a generation away for viability.

GC and GWS are good examples of why HQ are not talking about a 3rd team, there's not enough capital to go down the same path as the two latest clubs.

This is not having a go, so don't take offence. I'm merely stating the reality of the situation.

I get why HQ are pulling out all stops in states north of the murray, it's foreign and what to grow the game. Hell I WANT THAT! but this is not an overnight flick the switch job.

It's decades and generations to have the same landscape as the rest of the country.

Remember the whole premise of the thread is on the back of an article about jr school programs in nsw putting up goal posts. The AFL have near zero to do with it by the way apart from some positive commentary from some officer in the ranks at HQ - nothing more.

I don't think anyone is seriously saying that Sydney is ready right now for a third side. There are some pretty clear milestones that GWS will need to achieve before it's relevant. That being said, most of the serious discussion of the topic that I've seen in this thread is based around those GWS milestones being achieved (eg sustainable near capacity crowds in the current stadium, or 20-25k crowds consistently in an expanded stadium, comfortable financial position etc). These will likely take 30 or so years to achieve.

Once those are achieved, the hypothetical becomes much more relevant. That being said, I don't see what the harm is in discussing the hypothetical. The thread title after all is "It's only a matter of time". Not "The time is now" or something to that effect.

 

[RedV3x]

Carringbush2010, you are simply repeating your opinions over and over again and haven't convinced anybody.
Facts, figures and logic don't diminish your belief in rusted on fans and the invincibility of being a number one code.
Since we've answered your opinions repeatedly let's try and move on to some new material.

 

[RedV3x]

I don't think anyone is seriously saying that Sydney is ready right now for a third side. There are some pretty clear milestones that GWS will need to achieve before it's relevant. That being said, most of the serious discussion of the topic that I've seen in this thread is based around those GWS milestones being achieved (eg sustainable near capacity crowds in the current stadium, or 20-25k crowds consistently in an expanded stadium, comfortable financial position etc).

Yes, though there is a difference between "ready right now" and just doing it.

These will likely take 30 or so years to achieve.

It all depends whether you believe in constant progress or compound progress. IMO GWS are starting to compound their success.

 

[Pippen94]

Carringbush2010, you are simply repeating your opinions over and over again and haven't convinced anybody.
Facts, figures and logic don't diminish your belief in rusted on fans and the invincibility of being a number one code.
Since we've answered your opinions repeatedly let's try and move on to some new material.

Lion's crowds halved during period you've shown & club needed bailing out by league. You ignore this.

 

[Pippen94]

Southern Sydney Celtics - gets first dibs on any GAA players who want to come down under to play AFL

Fan base catchment area goes all the way down to the Shire

Stand alone home season opener game on March 17th each season.

20-30 years away…

What was I saying about people not knowing Sydney?

 

[Colonial]

What was I saying about people not knowing Sydney?

You don’t know so why are you expecting others?


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[Pippen94]

You don’t know so why are you expecting others?


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Stgeorge / Sutherland not big enough for a team. Plus concept goes makes no sense based on demographics of area.
Of course if you want a team to appeal only to Anglo Celtics there's already gws.

 

[Colonial]

Stgeorge / Sutherland not big enough for a team. Plus concept goes makes no sense based on demographics of area.
Of course if you want a team to appeal only to Anglo Celtics there's already gws.

No doubt at the moment. But who knows in the future decades.

Lol Anglo celts. Never been to a game have you? Or seen the juniors?
Better than the 5 teenyboppers in wanderbabies outfits thinking they are euro thugs.






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[RedV3x]

Lion's crowds halved during period you've shown

Where's the halving of attendances?

Brisbane Lions Attendances

Totals	6165334	253	24369	7138097	253	28214	13303431	506	26291	1124943	23	48911
Year​	Attendance​	GM​	Ave.​	Attendance​	GM​	Ave.​	Attendance​	GM​	Ave.​	Attendance​	GM​	Ave.​
	Home	Away	Home & Away	Finals
2019​	272146​	11​	24741​	323139​	11​	29376​	595285​	22​	27058​	67512​	2​	33756​
2018​	202462​	11​	18406​	273762​	11​	24887​	476224​	22​	21647​
2017​	181007​	11​	16455​	300831​	11​	27348​	481838​	22​	21902​
2016​	187816​	11​	17074​	313238​	11​	28476​	501054​	22​	22775​
2015​	206911​	11​	18810​	260449​	11​	23677​	467360​	22​	21244​
2014​	217178​	11​	19743​	253265​	11​	23024​	470443​	22​	21384​
2013​	231909​	11​	21083​	272084​	11​	24735​	503993​	22​	22909​
2012​	223781​	11​	20344​	290599​	11​	26418​	514380​	22​	23381​
2011​	225078​	11​	20462​	329102​	11​	29918​	554180​	22​	25190​
2010​	329264​	11​	29933​	310318​	11​	28211​	639582​	22​	29072​
2009​	320896​	11​	29172​	321413​	11​	29219​	642309​	22​	29196​	79732​	2​	39866​
2008​	309405​	11​	28128​	314827​	11​	28621​	624232​	22​	28374​
2007​	317325​	11​	28848​	348005​	11​	31637​	665330​	22​	30242​
2006​	314929​	11​	28630​	334532​	11​	30412​	649461​	22​	29521​
2005​	365934​	11​	33267​	412705​	11​	37519​	778639​	22​	35393​
2004​	369811​	11​	33619​	380350​	11​	34577​	750161​	22​	34098​	167021​	3​	55674​
2003​	348892​	11​	31717​	342033​	11​	31094​	690925​	22​	31406​	248994​	4​	62249​
2002​	295840​	11​	26895​	371339​	11​	33758​	667179​	22​	30326​	156718​	3​	52239​
2001​	304014​	11​	27638​	282926​	11​	25721​	586940​	22​	26679​	160894​	3​	53631​
2000​	301470​	11​	27406​	262503​	11​	23864​	563973​	22​	25635​	82849​	2​	41425​
1999​	240791​	11​	21890​	288328​	11​	26212​	529119​	22​	24051​	111188​	3​	37063​
1998​	183424​	11​	16675​	254672​	11​	23152​	438096​	22​	19913​
1997​	215051​	11​	19550​	297677​	11​	27062​	512728​	22​	23306​	50035​	1​	50035​

You never worked out the pattern with ALL a-league clubs did you. I'll give you a hint Attendances.

Season	Regular Season
ADL	BRI	CCM	GCU	MCY	MVC	NEW	NZ	NQ	PG	SFC	WP	WSW	Total
2005–06	10,948	14,785	7,899	–	–	16,167	9,022	3,909	–	9,734	16,669	–	–	10,956
2006–07	12,165	16,465	9,828	–	–	27,728	12,573	3,011	–	7,589	15,555	–	–	12,911
2007–08	12,697	16,951	12,738	–	–	26,064	13,209	–	–	7,596	16,963	11,683	–	14,610
2008–09	11,713	12,995	10,465	–	–	24,516	9,729	–	–	7,942	12,375	7,193	–	12,180
2009–10	10,765	8,665	7,388	5,297	–	20,750	6,358	–	6,723	9,205	13,677	8,966	–	9,793
2010–11	11,552	9,291	8,168	3,419	8,312	18,458	8,429	–	4,245	8,488	8,014	7,829	–	8,429
2011–12	8,829	13,387	9,505	3,438	9,082	20,714	12,117	–	–	8,972	11,861	8,691	–	10,497
2012–13	9,793	13,857	9,994	–	8,860	21,885	13,389	–	–	8,876	18,737	6,877	12,466	12,347
2013–14	11,225	14,957	9,398	–	9,933	21,808	11,949	–	–	9,418	18,682	8,201	14,860	13,041
2014–15	12,637	11,660	7,585	–	10,374	25,388	8,968	–	–	9,542	17,378	8,583	12,520	12,511
2015–16	11,287	12,850	8,111	–	11,047	23,112	9,586	–	–	8,986	16,637	8,042	14,297	12,326
2016–17	9,565	13,892	7,395	–	10,593	22,008	8,645	–	–	10,533	16,001	6,211	17,746	12,294
2017–18	9,830	9,093	7,194	–	9,868	17,631	11,016	–	–	9,186	14,593	5,694	11,924	10,671
2018–19	9,031	9,632	5,562	–	8,135	20,604	9,079	–	–	10,360	13,566	8,533	9,191	10,411
Green and red background denote club's highest and lowest A-League season attendances respectively.[2]

 

[RedV3x]

What was I saying about people not knowing Sydney?

You do realize, sorry silly statement with you, you obviously don't realize that the Sydney celtics were seriously considered by the AFL.

 

[RedV3x]

Southern Sydney Celtics - gets first dibs on any GAA players who want to come down under to play AFL

Fan base catchment area goes all the way down to the Shire

Stand alone home season opener game on March 17th each season.

20-30 years away…

The Sydney Celtics was initially favoured by the AFL drawing on the irish diaspora.

Boston Celtics

2010s

Season	Games	Attendance	Avg
2009-10	41	763,584	18,624
2010-11	41	763,584	18,624
2011-12	33	614,592	18,624
2012-13	40	744,960	18,624
2013-14	41	742,400	18,107
2014-15	41	721,350	17,594
2015-16	41	749,076	18,270
2016-17	41	760,690	18,553
2017-18	41	763,584	18,624
2018-19	41	763,584	18,624

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[Pippen94]

Where's the halving of attendances?

Brisbane Lions Attendances

	Home	Away	Home & Away	Finals
Totals	6165334	253	24369	7138097	253	28214	13303431	506	26291	1124943	23	48911
Year​	Attendance​	GM​	Ave.​	Attendance​	GM​	Ave.​	Attendance​	GM​	Ave.​	Attendance​	GM​	Ave.​
2019​	272146​	11​	24741​	323139​	11​	29376​	595285​	22​	27058​	67512​	2​	33756​
2018​	202462​	11​	18406​	273762​	11​	24887​	476224​	22​	21647​
2017​	181007​	11​	16455​	300831​	11​	27348​	481838​	22​	21902​
2016​	187816​	11​	17074​	313238​	11​	28476​	501054​	22​	22775​
2015​	206911​	11​	18810​	260449​	11​	23677​	467360​	22​	21244​
2014​	217178​	11​	19743​	253265​	11​	23024​	470443​	22​	21384​
2013​	231909​	11​	21083​	272084​	11​	24735​	503993​	22​	22909​
2012​	223781​	11​	20344​	290599​	11​	26418​	514380​	22​	23381​
2011​	225078​	11​	20462​	329102​	11​	29918​	554180​	22​	25190​
2010​	329264​	11​	29933​	310318​	11​	28211​	639582​	22​	29072​
2009​	320896​	11​	29172​	321413​	11​	29219​	642309​	22​	29196​	79732​	2​	39866​
2008​	309405​	11​	28128​	314827​	11​	28621​	624232​	22​	28374​
2007​	317325​	11​	28848​	348005​	11​	31637​	665330​	22​	30242​
2006​	314929​	11​	28630​	334532​	11​	30412​	649461​	22​	29521​
2005​	365934​	11​	33267​	412705​	11​	37519​	778639​	22​	35393​
2004​	369811​	11​	33619​	380350​	11​	34577​	750161​	22​	34098​	167021​	3​	55674​
2003​	348892​	11​	31717​	342033​	11​	31094​	690925​	22​	31406​	248994​	4​	62249​
2002​	295840​	11​	26895​	371339​	11​	33758​	667179​	22​	30326​	156718​	3​	52239​
2001​	304014​	11​	27638​	282926​	11​	25721​	586940​	22​	26679​	160894​	3​	53631​
2000​	301470​	11​	27406​	262503​	11​	23864​	563973​	22​	25635​	82849​	2​	41425​
1999​	240791​	11​	21890​	288328​	11​	26212​	529119​	22​	24051​	111188​	3​	37063​
1998​	183424​	11​	16675​	254672​	11​	23152​	438096​	22​	19913​
1997​	215051​	11​	19550​	297677​	11​	27062​	512728​	22​	23306​	50035​	1​	50035​

You never worked out the pattern with ALL a-league clubs did you. I'll give you a hint Attendances.

ADL	BRI	CCM	GCU	MCY	MVC	NEW	NZ	NQ	PG	SFC	WP	WSW	Total
Season	Regular Season
2005–06	10,948	14,785	7,899	–	–	16,167	9,022	3,909	–	9,734	16,669	–	–	10,956
2006–07	12,165	16,465	9,828	–	–	27,728	12,573	3,011	–	7,589	15,555	–	–	12,911
2007–08	12,697	16,951	12,738	–	–	26,064	13,209	–	–	7,596	16,963	11,683	–	14,610
2008–09	11,713	12,995	10,465	–	–	24,516	9,729	–	–	7,942	12,375	7,193	–	12,180
2009–10	10,765	8,665	7,388	5,297	–	20,750	6,358	–	6,723	9,205	13,677	8,966	–	9,793
2010–11	11,552	9,291	8,168	3,419	8,312	18,458	8,429	–	4,245	8,488	8,014	7,829	–	8,429
2011–12	8,829	13,387	9,505	3,438	9,082	20,714	12,117	–	–	8,972	11,861	8,691	–	10,497
2012–13	9,793	13,857	9,994	–	8,860	21,885	13,389	–	–	8,876	18,737	6,877	12,466	12,347
2013–14	11,225	14,957	9,398	–	9,933	21,808	11,949	–	–	9,418	18,682	8,201	14,860	13,041
2014–15	12,637	11,660	7,585	–	10,374	25,388	8,968	–	–	9,542	17,378	8,583	12,520	12,511
2015–16	11,287	12,850	8,111	–	11,047	23,112	9,586	–	–	8,986	16,637	8,042	14,297	12,326
2016–17	9,565	13,892	7,395	–	10,593	22,008	8,645	–	–	10,533	16,001	6,211	17,746	12,294
2017–18	9,830	9,093	7,194	–	9,868	17,631	11,016	–	–	9,186	14,593	5,694	11,924	10,671
2018–19	9,031	9,632	5,562	–	8,135	20,604	9,079	–	–	10,360	13,566	8,533	9,191	10,411
Green and red background denote club's highest and lowest A-League season attendances respectively.[2]

2004 to 2017 as results fell away - sign of fairweather fans

 

[RedV3x]

Lions went bust & were bailed out by league

Let's look at the a-league and see the number of teams that simply FOLDED

Season	Regular Season
ADL	BRI	CCM	GCU	MCY	MVC	NEW	NZ	NQ	PG	SFC	WP	WSW	Total
2005–06	10,948	14,785	7,899	–	–	16,167	9,022	3,909	–	9,734	16,669	–	–	10,956
2006–07	12,165	16,465	9,828	–	–	27,728	12,573	3,011	–	7,589	15,555	–	–	12,911
2007–08	12,697	16,951	12,738	–	–	26,064	13,209	–	–	7,596	16,963	11,683	–	14,610
2008–09	11,713	12,995	10,465	–	–	24,516	9,729	–	–	7,942	12,375	7,193	–	12,180
2009–10	10,765	8,665	7,388	5,297	–	20,750	6,358	–	6,723	9,205	13,677	8,966	–	9,793
2010–11	11,552	9,291	8,168	3,419	8,312	18,458	8,429	–	4,245	8,488	8,014	7,829	–	8,429
2011–12	8,829	13,387	9,505	3,438	9,082	20,714	12,117	–	–	8,972	11,861	8,691	–	10,497
2012–13	9,793	13,857	9,994	–	8,860	21,885	13,389	–	–	8,876	18,737	6,877	12,466	12,347
2013–14	11,225	14,957	9,398	–	9,933	21,808	11,949	–	–	9,418	18,682	8,201	14,860	13,041
2014–15	12,637	11,660	7,585	–	10,374	25,388	8,968	–	–	9,542	17,378	8,583	12,520	12,511
2015–16	11,287	12,850	8,111	–	11,047	23,112	9,586	–	–	8,986	16,637	8,042	14,297	12,326
2016–17	9,565	13,892	7,395	–	10,593	22,008	8,645	–	–	10,533	16,001	6,211	17,746	12,294
2017–18	9,830	9,093	7,194	–	9,868	17,631	11,016	–	–	9,186	14,593	5,694	11,924	10,671
2018–19	9,031	9,632	5,562	–	8,135	20,604	9,079	–	–	10,360	13,566	8,533	9,191	10,411
How many clubs have simple disaapeared?				Wow only in existance for three years				Wow only in existance for two years	Wow only in existance for two years

Seasonal gate receipts

 

[Pippen94]

You do realize, sorry silly statement with you, you obviously don't realize that the Sydney celtics were seriously considered by the AFL.

I doubt it was seriously considered.
Sydney is highly multicultural & limiting a team to supporters of one ethnic group is plain stupid. Of course Sydney derby is called battle of bridge, which runs north south; derby teams are east-west

 

[Pippen94]

The Sydney Celtics was initially favoured by the AFL drawing on the irish diaspora.

Boston Celtics

2010s

Season	Games	Attendance	Avg
2009-10	41	763,584	18,624
2010-11	41	763,584	18,624
2011-12	33	614,592	18,624
2012-13	40	744,960	18,624
2013-14	41	742,400	18,107
2014-15	41	721,350	17,594
2015-16	41	749,076	18,270
2016-17	41	760,690	18,553
2017-18	41	763,584	18,624
2018-19	41	763,584	18,624

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Less than 10% of Australians have some Irish background. 42% of Boston - probably much greater when Celtics were formed

 

[RedV3x]

I doubt it was seriously considered.

Unfortunately the a-league did consider the Gold Coast, Northern Queensland and New Zealand.

The a-league doesn't have teams in the Gold Coast, Northern Queensland and New Zealand.
The NRL does indeed have teams in the Gold Coast, Northern Queensland and New Zealand.
The a-league failed with teams in the Gold Coast, Northern Queensland and New Zealand.

 

[RedV3x]

Less than 10% of Australians have some Irish background.

There you go. 10% of 5.23 million people living in Sydney = 523,000. That's MORE than Tasmania
and the 5.23 million people live in the one city plus there's enough Irishmen to form a Celtic side.
Glad to see that you are contributing so postitively to a third AFL side in Sydney.

 

[Pippen94]

Let's look at the a-league and see the number of teams that simply FOLDED

ADL	BRI	CCM	GCU	MCY	MVC	NEW	NZ	NQ	PG	SFC	WP	WSW	Total
Season	Regular Season
2005–06	10,948	14,785	7,899	–	–	16,167	9,022	3,909	–	9,734	16,669	–	–	10,956
2006–07	12,165	16,465	9,828	–	–	27,728	12,573	3,011	–	7,589	15,555	–	–	12,911
2007–08	12,697	16,951	12,738	–	–	26,064	13,209	–	–	7,596	16,963	11,683	–	14,610
2008–09	11,713	12,995	10,465	–	–	24,516	9,729	–	–	7,942	12,375	7,193	–	12,180
2009–10	10,765	8,665	7,388	5,297	–	20,750	6,358	–	6,723	9,205	13,677	8,966	–	9,793
2010–11	11,552	9,291	8,168	3,419	8,312	18,458	8,429	–	4,245	8,488	8,014	7,829	–	8,429
2011–12	8,829	13,387	9,505	3,438	9,082	20,714	12,117	–	–	8,972	11,861	8,691	–	10,497
2012–13	9,793	13,857	9,994	–	8,860	21,885	13,389	–	–	8,876	18,737	6,877	12,466	12,347
2013–14	11,225	14,957	9,398	–	9,933	21,808	11,949	–	–	9,418	18,682	8,201	14,860	13,041
2014–15	12,637	11,660	7,585	–	10,374	25,388	8,968	–	–	9,542	17,378	8,583	12,520	12,511
2015–16	11,287	12,850	8,111	–	11,047	23,112	9,586	–	–	8,986	16,637	8,042	14,297	12,326
2016–17	9,565	13,892	7,395	–	10,593	22,008	8,645	–	–	10,533	16,001	6,211	17,746	12,294
2017–18	9,830	9,093	7,194	–	9,868	17,631	11,016	–	–	9,186	14,593	5,694	11,924	10,671
2018–19	9,031	9,632	5,562	–	8,135	20,604	9,079	–	–	10,360	13,566	8,533	9,191	10,411
How many clubs have simple disaapeared?				Wow only in existance for three years				Wow only in existance for two years	Wow only in existance for two years

Seasonal gate receipts

Stop posting this stuff - I have no expertise or interest

There you go. 10% of 5.23 million people living in Sydney = 523,000. That's MORE than Tasmania
and the 5.23 million people live in the one city plus there's enough Irishmen to form a Celtic side.
Glad to see that you are contributing so postitively to a third AFL side in Sydney.

That's pretty lame - could only be more supported than gws though

 

[BringBackTorps]

I am not

OK, as you are not a supporter of AF, why do you claim to be a Swans's follower (on BF, Sydney is the AFL club you nominated). You are trolling & lying.

The specific details (from 2012- 2019, nearly tripling, c. 20,000 kids) of all the jnr AF Club teams (9 y.o - 17 y.o) in Sydney have been provided, numerous times, in this thread. Yet you claim there is no strong Sydney AF growth- a lie.

I can honestly say I don't barrack for any particular a league or NRL teams.

Do you write in soccer or RL or RU social media using the name "Pippen", or something similar?
Do you follow the sports of soccer or RL or RU?

I fear for journalistic standards & the spread of misinformation. As local I can see first hand that the growth of game is sheer propaganda.

You lie, use half-truths, cherry-picked facts & deflections to support your anti-AF narrative. "Journalistic standards"!

Phil has taken too many blows to head

A lie, P. Gould is a long time, respected expert (in various MSM, & with Sydney NRL clubs) on RL, who has said in Sept. 2019 "GWS will become a juggernaut"
This is your fear, & why you are trolling.

They want funding from NRL to combat AF which they will spend on wrestling classes & coach whispers

Another lie, & bizarre. Where is your evidence this is why the WWOS panel didn't challenge Gould's "GWS will become a juggernaut" comments?

Why haven't RU, soccer, or other RL experts challenged Gould's "GWS will become a juggernaut" comments? Their silence, also, suggests agreement.

It is absurd for you to infer those who have publicly commented on the decline of Sydney GR RL & RU want to be RL coaches, or to spend more money on RL coaching.

In this thread, 20+ RL, RU & soccer officials, players & MSM journalists (very few who are coaches/potential elite coaches!) have been quoted (with links). They all have said Sydney male GR RU & RL are in significant decline; and/or GR AF, or the AFL, is having good growth in Sydney. It is not just P. Gould.

Amusingly, you wrote here ("...NRL to combat AF"). You agree the NRL, in its WS etc. heartland, regards AF as a threat- which contradicts your "AF is weak in Sydney" narrative!

I can't verify what you say, however demographics of areas change over time. These areas have oldest population & lowest growth.

You can verify what has been said re the huge GR RL decline in Sydney's NW, NS, ES & inner WS! RL officials, players & journalists have verified this decline of RL in Sydney, quoted- with links- in this thread.
And, quoted in this thread, RU, RL, soccer officials/players, & journalists, have written about the rise of AF in Sydney. So, further lies from you.

Demographic change - large Asian population.

Yet GR AF is having good growth in the St George District, even if RL & RU are NOT- so a half-truth & deflection from you.
How do you explain this AF growth?

Yes, all contact sports will eventually die out

That's what you hope.
Very unlikely.

No, soccer is biggest sport in world. Transfer fees for one quality player exceeds salary for entire afl teams. Still lots of money & potential investors

But Australia, re soccer, is very different to the rest of the world. Pro- soccer has had far more funds than AF for c.100 years, but hasn't detracted from AF's growth. You're deflecting.













EDIT:

Many MSM experts (eg L. Zelic, SBS) are predicting the A League, due to its plummetting ratings & declining crowds etc., will obtain a FAR reduced Rights' contract next time- & might become a semi-pro Comp.
This dire situation, & WSW's poor crowds, have probably caused you much distress.

Zelic, on 10.1.20, is very gloomy about the A League's future- do you agree with all her criticisms? If not, why not?

A-League's 'avalanche' of problems steering towards NSL fate

I still remember my first A-League game like it was yesterday. It was a bitterly cold night in August, 2005 and together with my family, we journeyed from Canberra to Newcastle to support my brother Ned as the Richard Money-led Jets hosted Adelaide United in the inaugural season’s first-ever match.

theworldgame.sbs.com.au

On 18.1.20, SMH's D. Bossi also was concerned re WSW, & the A League's, prospects.
"Western Sydney...makes up more than 30% of the TOTAL (my emphasis) Fox Sports audience...When the heartland is hurting, it hurts EVERYONE (my emphasis)...".

Lost Wanderers: Western Sydney’s homecoming spirals out of control

With a new stadium and new training facilities, there were no excuses for Markus Babbel's Western Sydney Wanderers this season.

www.smh.com.au

Why has soccer's heartland, & WSW crowds, gone missing?


Why (as stated by many soccer experts eg Bosnich, Slater, Kosmina etc.), has jnr elite soccer development failed in Australia for over a decade (increasingly poor performances in U17, U20 & U23 comps.- not progressing past the Group stage)?




Why are very few Aust. players now playing in the top 5 comps. in Europe, cf the Golden Generation eras?
Australia's soccer future looks increasingly bleak.

You quote no facts, or supporting links, to corroborate your false "AF has not had strong growth in Sydney" narrative.- because there are none. Your insecurity is palpable.
Yet there are dozens of facts & links (c. 20+ from non-AF, or anti-AF sources) quoted in this thread re AF's strong Sydney growth.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I wish in these debates people would post links from independent sites, with all the claims and counter claims.

 

[RedV3x]

I have no expertise or interest.

So why do keep posting opinion and take no notice of the facts.

That's pretty lame..

Yes you keep posting opinion about GWS but sim[ply wont face the facts about the poor performance of the a-league
and the relatively good performance of GWS.

 

[Aussie in exile]

So why do keep posting opinion and take no notice of the facts.




Yes you keep posting opinion about GWS but sim[ply wont face the facts about the poor performance of the a-league
and the relatively good performance of GWS.

Agreed. Everyone should post facts with links from independent sites to back up their claims