Aaron Joseph

[Big Sim]

[quote="jezzatigerbrent, post: 24544623, member: 85033]
5/ they scrag Walker[Glass is the master of this illegal sheppard/holding off the ball as in the Elim2011 ]..yet each time Jameson touched Cox a free was immediately paid[/quote]

Particularly galling. Since they got away with it in the dying seconds of the final last year it was open season for malling Walker and the rest of the forwards when they tried to lead last night. Yet Eagles forwards got plenty of frees for very minor offences.

 

[Artie Bucco]

You can never question Joseph's application. He's simply not up to the standard, it's a sad reflection on either our depth or the match committee that he is still being given games.

There is just no upside to playing him any longer

 

[FRUMPY]

Actually think he was decent defensivly last night. And anyone who calls him a pea-heart is clearly wrong. Puts in 100% effort all the time. His problem and always has been is his decision making and disposal with the ball. Should never have gone to Jamo in a 50/50 contest. Should have done a u-turn and gone back up the line or take it out of bounds.

I dont think he will be delisted, is a very handy depth player. We just need the likes of Yarran, Bootsma, Touhy, Davies to step up and take his spot. Granted Touhy has this year but injuries mean Joseph gets a game.

 

[The Edukator]

Actually think he was decent defensivly last night. And anyone who calls him a pea-heart is clearly wrong. Puts in 100% effort all the time. His problem and always has been is his decision making and disposal with the ball. Should never have gone to Jamo in a 50/50 contest. Should have done a u-turn and gone back up the line or take it out of bounds.

agreed. he's always been good defensively but is probably not up to it with ball in hand sadly

 

[Domenic Fotia]

add Joseph to a list that includes Hampson, Bower, Russell and Thornton.

They are not good enough with the ball in their hands or in Hampson case bouncing off.

Ratten biggest mistake has been not to make a call on these guys earlier.

FFS play Bootsma

 

[Blue Flame]

add Joseph to a list that includes Hampson, Bower, Russell and Thornton.

They are not good enough with the ball in their hands or in Hampson case bouncing off.

Ratten biggest mistake has been not to make a call on these guys earlier.

FFS play Bootsma

Bower and Russell seem to have dropped off a little with their disposal, it had been quite good at earlier points in their careers.
I could be wrong but Thornton has been OK with the ball in my opinion, and Hampson has had a good season- I suppose development means we take the good with the bad.

I seem to recall Joseph was a ball magnet as a junior, just as Carrazzo was. When Carrazzo moved back into that position and played within his limitations, he became an incredible footballer. Is it possible that we can see a similar thing with Joseph?

 

[Feva]

Pretty sure Joseph signed a 2 year deal at the end of last year so doubt he'll be delisted.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the best footy he has played for us was as a tagger (vs G Ablett). Why does Ratten continue to play him in back pocket when he continually gets exposed and we need jobs done on players like Priddis, Dangerfield, Bartel?

 

[chunkylover53]

His kick is shocking, with the kick to Jamison, an AFL player would have quickly kicked it keeping it low. Joseph took too long with his dinky ball drop and created pressure for himself, and kept it in the air. And this is how he kicks, awful player.

 

[Supishnessism]

Said after the Saints clash that he should never pull on CFC jumper again. Some might say an over the top reaction, but what weve seen against Geelong and now West Coast has rasied even more questions. Never before have i seen a player so scared of everyone else on the field that he is so easily brushed aside, lacking so much confidence in his own ability that he picks the first, and incorrect option every time, even under no pressure. Sometimes im not sure if joseph is a dumb footballer or child playing a man's game.

The problem as others have said already is that we don't have the depth to cover small options. We have been destroyed by small forwards this year and we really are lacking a traditional shut down back pocket who can blanket a small option. Its strange because we have a surplus of half back flankers, although Bower and Russell may be too tall and lack the agility to play on a Milne or Blair. Get the feeling Bootsma could do the job, although he's quite rangy as well and could struggle with quicker opponents. Army is the other option but he has looked more comfortable up the ground where he can use his pace to get behind the zone and his skills, although improved are less of a liability.

Wouldn't want to be in the MC's shoes trying to plan for Rioli after the bye.

 

[Big Red is back]

Pretty sure Joseph signed a 2 year deal at the end of last year so doubt he'll be delisted.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the best footy he has played for us was as a tagger (vs G Ablett). Why does Ratten continue to play him in back pocket when he continually gets exposed and we need jobs done on players like Priddis, Dangerfield, Bartel?

So funny I recall that game it was a nab cup game and gazza was at half pace and still had 25 touches

 

[mike ockerts]

I really thought preseason that AJ was going to have a break out year this year, two points of note here iv been pondering since those thoughts.

1) what the effin hell was I on.

2) where the effin hell do I get more.

 

[Jock]

I feel sorry for him, he's a VFL footballer who is being picked to play out of his league. I find it concerning we don't have younger players that are not being moulded to fill his role at the Bullants. We should have filled his spot with a more talented player by now. Not good enough by the coaches.

 

[T2B_]

If we're going to play him at all why not play him forward??

Consistently he struggles deep in defense, it's not his go. He can run but isn't the smartest decision maker and struggles hugely in aerial contests in defense and lacks awareness.

Up forward at least damage can be minimized and he likes a long goal as well as having a pretty good leap and mark for his size. Failing that, yes run with tagging role.

But please, never let him go near defense. I hate bagging any of our players but he scares me whenever he's deep in defense.

 

[Murphkreuzmitch]

the problem is, is that there is no-one else to replace Joseph. This is a flaw in our depth that we have to play such 2nd rate players like him. He can do the odd tackle and fluff, but don't depend on his decision making, he always looks lost, like Bower. They just don't have smarts, it bothers me we continually draft dumb players! I mean look at Sydney, Adelaide, Weagles, they get cluey, handy, accountable players, we seem to draft idiots.

not true we could have played lucas, can bring dylan buckley in, could have played Bootsma. This would have given games to young guys who actually have a crack with out the panick. FFS Jordan Russell could have played better on one leg.

Carlton made a mistake moving on a big bodied Setanta and keeping AJ. Plain and simple

 

[Murphkreuzmitch]

Well it was Setanta or Bower, and look what happened...!! Ratten again, he tends to have his 'faves' who just don't really cut it - Jospehs, McClean - and ignore guys like Thornton.

Russell especially has been a massive disappointment, did he really just lose form last year, or was it Ratten overlooking him??

It should never have come to that considering the number of flankers and outside small players we have, don't get me wrong I do not think Bower or Irish are the men to lead us to success but are certainly players that should provide quality depth,the situation with good succession planning would have been avoidable.

As for JR, word I have is that aside from body issues there are some other problems there but none linked to Ratten, JR is fortunate enough to have the coaches interest. One thing a lot of supporters do not see is just how much leadership JR gives on the field assisting match ups and leaving his man etc. We are a better side with him in form whether our fans like it or not....

 

[dumb]

The problem as others have said already is that we don't have the depth to cover small options. We have been destroyed by small forwards this year and we really are lacking a traditional shut down back pocket who can blanket a small option. Its strange because we have a surplus of half back flankers, although Bower and Russell may be too tall and lack the agility to play on a Milne or Blair. Get the feeling Bootsma could do the job, although he's quite rangy as well and could struggle with quicker opponents. Army is the other option but he has looked more comfortable up the ground where he can use his pace to get behind the zone and his skills, although improved are less of a liability.

armfield was the best back pocket of the lot before either he or ratts decided to move him upfield. cleaned up guys like daniel pearce and shannon byrnes during byrne's best run of form, and those guys are some of the quickest in the league.
yarran doesn't even seem to be playing in defence anymore.

 

[Supishnessism]

armfield was the best back pocket of the lot before either he or ratts decided to move him upfield. cleaned up guys like daniel pearce and shannon byrnes during byrne's best run of form, and those guys are some of the quickest in the league.

I defiantly agree, to some extent I wouldn't mind seeing him move back to cover the gaping hole in our backline, even if it does remove his offensive firepower to a degree. Army's a good stopper becuase of his tank, pace and ability to win contested footy, but he can be prone to rushing himself under pressure, doesnt have the quick thinking of a yarren, but that could still come. Might be a bit reluctant to put him on some of the more agile, mecurial forwards though, i dont think he's had the preperation to just slot into such specific role.

This is something that frustrates me the most about the CFC, how much time and faith we put into players like Joseph, who plays such a specific role in the team, without teaching that plan to a back up. We do it with our talls but yarren is really our only swing small this season.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Well it was Setanta or Bower, and look what happened...!! Ratten again, he tends to have his 'faves' who just don't really cut it - Jospehs, McClean - and ignore guys like Thornton.

Russell especially has been a massive disappointment, did he really just lose form last year, or was it Ratten overlooking him??

not sure how you can say Brock is a fave. Has hardly been given a block of games. Yo-yo in and out. He is only getting back to back games now due to injuries. AJ I cannot defend and I am not a Brock fan but I don't think the MC has ever played him just to try to get something back for the $$ invested. Back a while ago TBird got a gig because we literally had no other options. At least now we do and maybe they just think TBird will not play in our next GF team. That should be used as criteria across the board. To me not picking Sugar at Subi on Thurs felt like us trying to get a win now and not planning for the future.

 

[Sin City]

Should never have been moved to the back line, it's been a disaster.

 

[Sin City]

armfield was the best back pocket of the lot before either he or ratts decided to move him upfield. cleaned up guys like daniel pearce and shannon byrnes during byrne's best run of form, and those guys are some of the quickest in the league.

That's what I always thought too.

 

[Silvagnis]

Carlton made a mistake moving on a big bodied Setanta and keeping AJ. Plain and simple

Well it was Setanta or Bower, and look what happened...!!

Has Setanta become Kernahan since he was delisted?

Setanta doesn't follow the team rules with his tendency to play on after a mark. Arguably cost us a game against Hawthorn with a brainless snap from the goal square. Did the same thing in the finals against Essendon last year. Even Kepler Bradley isn't that footy dumb. An uncoachable player who still plays on instinct after ten seasons. A world apart from Zac Tuohy who looks like a footballer. Setanta coudn't even work out why he was delisted. Sounds like he has tickets on himself from a football point of view. At least Joseph sticks to his role in the side without being under any illusion that he's irreplaceable.

 

[blue healer]

I defiantly agree, to some extent I wouldn't mind seeing him move back to cover the gaping hole in our backline, even if it does remove his offensive firepower to a degree. Army's a good stopper becuase of his tank, pace and ability to win contested footy, but he can be prone to rushing himself under pressure, doesnt have the quick thinking of a yarren, but that could still come. Might be a bit reluctant to put him on some of the more agile, mecurial forwards though, i dont think he's had the preperation to just slot into such specific role.

This is something that frustrates me the most about the CFC, how much time and faith we put into players like Joseph, who plays such a specific role in the team, without teaching that plan to a back up. We do it with our talls but yarren is really our only swing small this season.

Ever thought that the reason he, and others like Gibbs, play such a specific role in the team is because that is what the coaching staff ask of them?

I agree with those that say he should never play back pocket, he just doesn't have the smarts or poise to handle a smart small forward like Milne. If we must have him in the team I think he needs a run with role in the middle where you don't have to be so smart, stop your opponent, get it yourself and move it forward. Seem to recall that it was in this type of role that he played his best footy.

People here conveniently forget that Carrazzo (this years flavour of the month) has been pilloried on this board as the ultimate turnover king for years.

Joseph, like a lot of Carlton players, is down on form and confidence as was Carrots a couple of seasons ago. Give the kid a chance.

As for the "pea hearted" comment, anyone saying this just doesn't watch him play. I'd like to think some of those in our team with far better skills than him were just as pea hearted.

 

[Azul]

Well it was Setanta or Bower, and look what happened...!!

2012: Bower 9 AFL games, Setanta 1. Setanta was an injury prone 28yo. The club decided to place faith in Casboult, Mitchell and a poor bloke with cancer.

Move on.

 

[Azul]

Back a while ago TBird got a gig because we literally had no other options. At least now we do and maybe they just think TBird will not play in our next GF team.

Maybe not but with Mitchell learning the caper and Waite still out, I expect him to play against Hawthorn.

 

[Murphkreuzmitch]

Has Setanta become Kernahan since he was delisted?

Setanta doesn't follow the team rules with his tendency to play on after a mark. Arguably cost us a game against Hawthorn with a brainless snap from the goal square. Did the same thing in the finals against Essendon last year. Even Kepler Bradley isn't that footy dumb. An uncoachable player who still plays on instinct after ten seasons. A world apart from Zac Tuohy who looks like a footballer. Setanta coudn't even work out why he was delisted. Sounds like he has tickets on himself from a football point of view. At least Joseph sticks to his role in the side without being under any illusion that he's irreplaceable.

First of all, no one put Kernahan and Setanta in the same sentence so not sure why that question has come about.

Secondly, you speak of bad decisions that Setanta made, go to the last quarter Thursday night, same error different part of the ground, sitcking to his role means that he would not have kicked the ball to a 50/50 with the open opposition forward line begging (and kicking over head height allowing defensive pressure). My context is not regarding who is better out of Setanta or AJ, it is about who would be more handy for the team and I think you will simply agree that we lack tall forward options who can have a physical presence, not flanker and pocket players.

As for uncoachable I think the writing is on the wall for both.