Aboriginal All-Stars

[MrMeaner]

Except that it never happened. Now on the other hand in 2002 his brother Peter.....

**IRONY ALERT**

They're all the same. Aren't they?

**IRONY ENDS**

 

[Peter P]

Hate to inform you boss, but by saying that you are being a racist...
The game is not about race, its about celebrating a different culture in Australia... It allows all the elite Aboriginal footballers get together and celebrate their heritage in a game of football.... By no means is it reverse racism or double standards! People like you make me sick pal, absolutley no logic to what you are trying to argue...

could not agree more.

minority cultures, especially truly indiginous ones, do have this right - the dominant culture gets to celebrate its culture daily and continuously, simply by being the dominant culture.

 

[Peter P]

If one takes your point of view than you must recognise the other hundred and more cultures that exist within Australia with far greater population ratio than the Aboriginal population. So we should celebrate them all. Let's have a selection policy based on religion, color of skin, political standing, social status etc... etc...
No matter how you try to justify this game it does not stand well within an inclusive integrated society. It certainly does not stand well with me.
To me the game promotes racism because selection is based on the color of skin or so called belonging to a separate culture. The whole exercise is divisive and separatist. There is no place in Australia for such promotions under the guise of Australian Rules Football.

irel - have you heard Michael Long's views on this?

it is an annual event not the basis for the league!

"integration" has been the buzz word for a lot of oppressive practices in not only this country but anywhere a smaller culture is invaded by a numerically larger one - Tibet, Nth America, Armenian parts of Turkey, Kurdish parts of countries, Wales, the Jews in many countries.... the list is as endless as history and racism is in the genes. History shows it cannot simply be combatted by democracy that can lead to the "dictatorship of the majority" but only by rationalism and empathy embedded in laws that allow for multicultural minority rights.

The freedom to express one's minority culture is a precious one, AS EQUALLY important to the overall health of a nation than integration. That is not to say that gettoes are good either - economic integration and ability to function with the dominant culture but preserve one's minority culture is a difficult balance for nations to find - but find it they must - or go down the Nazi road. Annual games like this in the context of integrated seasons seems to me to strike the balance perfectly.

To that end the second "multicultural cup" of Australian football is coming up in March - last year's was a great success by all accounts.

 

[pablos]

Aboriginal people are over represented in many aspects in our society. Unfortunately they often tend to be negative (ie prison populations, infant mortality rates, curable disease almost non-existant in non-indiginous society). One of the few exceptions is Australian Rules Football and these Aboriginal All Star games are an opportunity for Aborigines to see their people as positive role models.
As for being mentally soft... you mob can't even handle a one off exhibition match without crying foul. Imagine if every time you walked into a store the shop keeper followed you around with a suspicious look, every time you and your mates walked down the street people crossed the road to avoid you, every time something positive is said in the media about your people the majority of people start howling about segregation and playing the race card.
I'm sorry to say that when you say that "all Aboriginal people do this" or "are that" you are being racist.
By the way, "Aboriginal" is the adjective and "Aborigine" is the noun. I'm assuming that English is your first (and only) language.

 

[Silvagnis]

Because it is a promotional exercise, no secret there. The Doggies are building Darwin as their home away from home. Moving towards financial success. Adding members. And so on.

They picked the bulldogs because they think they're guaranteed a win against a crap side so the aboriginal side isn't embarrassed.

 

[Former]

They picked the bulldogs because they think they're guaranteed a win against a crap side so the aboriginal side isn't embarrassed.

They must have Eddie organising the fixture. Do they play on a weekend in the middle of the season when there are no other matches being played?

 

[Former]

I wouldn't class all of the anti- posts in this thread as racist.

Just bigotted, bitter and narrow-minded. Unfortunately you also have one of your number in the highest office in the land, but thankfully he has no say in AFL exhibition matches.

To the indigenous team I say stuff the bigots, go out there and play.

One thing that would be interesting to see - would the combined salaries of each player in this team fit under the salary cap? If it would, well, there's an interesting propostion for a new AFL team

 

[mighty_west]

They picked the bulldogs because they think they're guaranteed a win against a crap side so the aboriginal side isn't embarrassed.

It's a promotional match to cap off a community camp visit and gives the locals free entry with their NT long distance 7 Western Bulldogs Membership.

 

[F/D]

Great game this will be.....

All-Stars by 70

 

[Milkman]

Once again, Aborigines are getting away with pushing the race issue, with the upcoming Aboriginal All-Stars football team. If having a sporting team based on race is acceptable, why aren't they playing the Caucasian All-Stars? Or are they taking the easy way out yet again? Once again double standards apply to one culture, different standards for another. Neo-segregation continues...

You're an idiot.

 

[jaydenrussell]

when is the game

 

[Silvagnis]

One thing that would be interesting to see - would the combined salaries of each player in this team fit under the salary cap? If it would, well, there's an interesting propostion for a new AFL team

A team made entirely of aboriginal players would be favourite for the wooden spoon and would make richmond look like the premiers.

 

[mighty_west]

when is the game

Feb 5th.

 

[Count Zero]

That's right, they are arrogant. Always remember Shaun Burgoyne in one of the finals against Collingwood. In the goal square, he could have gone back for the kick, but no, tried to be smart and play on, but was tackled and lost possession.

Yes, they think they are better, that is why they can't stand loosing, and that is why they would never play a Caucasian All-Star team.

This post is an example of someone trying to smear an entire race of people.

 

[leonmagic]

Interesting headline in The Age this morning;

All-Stars game pits Dogs against Dogs

 

[portly]

...minority cultures, especially truly indiginous ones, do have this right - the dominant culture gets to celebrate its culture daily and continuously, simply by being the dominant culture.

True IMHO, though "dominant" is not the word I would use since it promotes the concept of competition between the cultures, rather than cooperation.

I'm not sure that the anti-game people, even maybe not Mr Crow who seems to be skirting very close to the wind, should be called racist - too strong, since superficially there does seem to be bias because there is a game for one group and not one for the other. Now someone could organise a white/anglo game vs whoever, and I don't think it should be called racist. But it would have no interest to anyone because it would be composed of the largest group doing what it always does, playing itself. Nothing out of the ordinary there.

The upcoming game is valuable and worth being promoted by the AFL for a number of reasons (kids seeing heroes, "bettering" oneself, feeling part of a group - any group rather than being alone), but the above view gives the most important reason.

 

[ClintEastwood]

Here I was thinking the Japanese are pretty racist. But going by this thread, they have nothing on we Australians.

 

[crazy_big_al]

Nice to see some port boys in the team

 

[Eagles_Rock!!]

What's the point of this?

 

[rick James]

Here's the squad of 'arrogant egomaniacs' then I guess -

The AFL Indigenous All-Stars squad: Peter Burgoyne (Port Adelaide), Shaun Burgoyne (Port Adelaide), Xavier Clarke (St Kilda), Richard Cole (Collingwood), Troy Cook (Fremantle), Anthony Corrie (Brisbane), Aaron Davey (Melbourne), Jeff Farmer (Fremantle), Cameron Faulkner (Western Bulldogs), Antoni Grover (Fremantle), Des Headland (Fremantle), Graham Johncock (Adelaide), Chris Johnson VC (Brisbane), Steven Koops (Fremantle), Andrew Krakeour (Richmond), Nathan Lovett-Murray (Essendon), Ashley McGrath (Brisbane), Cory McGrath (Carlton), Andrew McLeod (Adelaide), Daniel Motlop (Kangaroos), Justin Murphy (Essendon), Allan Murray (St Kilda), Byron Pickett (Port Adelaide), Ashley Sampi (West Coast Eagles), Andrew Walker (Carlton), Daniel Wells (Kangaroos), Matthew Whelan (Melbourne), Darryl White (c) (Brisbane), David Wirrpunda (West Coast Eagles), Dion Woods (Fremantle)

No Goodes, Oloughlin or Matera but pretty much everyone else is there...

I note no mention of Chris Tarrant to whoever that fool who thought Taz was aboriginal...

 

[rick James]

I wouldn't class all of the anti- posts in this thread as racist.

Just bigotted, bitter and narrow-minded. Unfortunately you also have one of your number in the highest office in the land, but thankfully he has no say in AFL exhibition matches.

To the indigenous team I say stuff the bigots, go out there and play.

One thing that would be interesting to see - would the combined salaries of each player in this team fit under the salary cap? If it would, well, there's an interesting propostion for a new AFL team

John Howard is not bigotted, bitter or narrow minded.

He is not bigotted, he represents the majority of logical thinking Australians in this country. Because career students, the rent-a-protest crowd and former hippies don't agree with him does not make him bigotted. It makes him normal.

He is not bitter, he just trounced the lefties for the fourth time running, and didn't gloat about it in the slightest.

He is not narrow minded, making the decision to contribute more than 20 times more money than all arab states combined to the people of indonesia (the largest muslim country in the world) shows a proper understanding for what the majority of Australians think.

I would ask you to keep your political posts to the general discussion board. but i would never dare question your auhtority Mr. Administrator.

 

[rick James]

p.s. There are definitely some bigots on this thread though. Seriously, it's a game of football, they want all these aboriginal kids, who may not have the same oppurtunity (for a number of reasons, not simply because of the "white man" holding htem down) as kids on other major cities to see what they can acheive if they apply themselves. and to barrack for a team made entirely of their hero's.

It's really no different than State of Origin. Racism can be based on someone's place of origin, not just skin colour. does that mean State of origin is racist?

And if you want the caucasion all stars, barrack for Geelong lol...

 

[Mr Crow!]

You have a point with the double standard, but it's not a big deal. Get over it. It's also not about segregation, it's about aboriginal pride.

You're on a loser with this one. Only a matter of time before the self righteous come along kick your ass.

But why, if we show White Pride, we are deemed to be racist?

 

[Mr Crow!]

Hate to inform you boss, but by saying that you are being a racist...
The game is not about race, its about celebrating a different culture in Australia... It allows all the elite Aboriginal footballers get together and celebrate their heritage in a game of football.... By no means is it reverse racism or double standards! People like you make me sick pal, absolutley no logic to what you are trying to argue...

Ok, if this is not about race, but 'celebrating a different culture'... why don't we celebrate another culture, the Anglo-Saxon culture, and get all those footballers together and celebrate their heritage in a game of football?!?

Again, any culture can do this, as long as it is not Caucasians. Any race can celebrate their culture, heritage, except when white people do it, it is labelled as extremism.

 

[Mr Crow!]

could not agree more.

minority cultures, especially truly indiginous ones, do have this right - the dominant culture gets to celebrate its culture daily and continuously, simply by being the dominant culture.

What poppycock! So if there was an island nation with 100 people, and 51 people were from culture x, and 49 people were from culture y, only culture y could celebrate their cultural heritage, because they are a 'minority'?

So your argument states that it is acceptable for one culture in this country to have pride in its heritage and celebrate it, and not acceptable for another one?