News AFL to overhaul the draft, discuss changes to Academy and FS bid matching

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[BloodySwan]

Now you're just embarrassing yourself.

No arguments, no discussions. You must be trolling

 

[FB19]

Alright people let’s keep it impersonal and on point.
Father son is a compromise but a unique one I think we keep it. Matching of bids to be reformed. Minimum pay full price. Look into making it fairer by giving up reasonable picks not lots of late ones.
Long term vision should be to keep academies as development pathway, but move to a model where they aren’t club aligned from a drafting perspective. All clubs continue to support academies but players go into the central pool. Support is part of being a club in the AFL.
Concessions for expansion sides until fixed dates where they are seen as equally likely to start having father sons.

 

[Haggas]

I agree to keep F/S however clubs like GWS and GCS (and Tassie) need to have an academy because they obviously don't have any F/S picks.

Sydney and Brisbane getting an academy is just a rort, everyone knows it and why they have them. Get rid of them as soon as possible, but it won't happen because the AFL needs to artificially prop them up for more media money. AFL is a business and then decisions are business related, nothing to do with having a valid competition.

Yeah it’s solely because they want them to be successful to bring more league fans over to AFL which is a dogshit business model


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[Haggas]

How is anything I said self entitled?

The fact you think it’s fair eastern state teams get more salary cap and academies to get some of the best talent available for nothing


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[BloodySwan]

The fact you think it’s fair eastern state teams get more salary cap and academies to get some of the best talent available for nothing


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Salary cap? No one has mentioned salary cap

 

[Haggas]

Salary cap? No one has mentioned salary cap

You do realise the AFL gave you more salary cap to fit in Franklins exuberant contract?


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[BloodySwan]

You do realise the AFL gave you more salary cap to fit in Franklins exuberant contract?


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You do realise this is a thread about Father Sons and academies? I'm sure there is an 8 year old thread you can dig up somewhere to talk about the COLA

 

[Saab NLAW]

You do realise this is a thread about Father Sons and academies? I'm sure there is an 8 year old thread you can dig up somewhere to talk about the COLA

And then you started having a sook and boasting about getting Blakey

Swans fans are the most entitled group of fans in the AFL, they demand extra advantages as if it's their birth right and they're always the first to claim the moral high ground over any topic. Of course, it doesn't stop the Swans from accepting money from a corrupt Government who persecutes anyone from the LGBT community.

The Swans are just a bunch of hypocritical flogs.

 

[RUNVS]

I've been pushing this idea for years - I still struggle to see a downside. Genuinely builds anticipation between picks and producers don't have to show 4-5 minutes of the club's recruiters sitting around (having already made their decision).

The main argument against was what if the Premier bids 1700 points and gets pick #1, and the "optics" of that.

The difference between pick 1 and 2 is often greater than between say pick 40 and pick 99 so clubs will heavily weight draft points towards the top of the draft.

My general idea is that while a club could do that it would be something they could only do a few times before it really hurts their list build. It basically means getting pick 1, but also means your next picks will be after every other club has run out of points to use, so it could be two picks in the 60's.

Sure the pick 1 player will make the best 22, but the players in the 60's probably won't make it, and a club can't just bring in 1 player into the best 22 every year for very long before they start running out players to fill their best 22.

So lets say Adelaide did decide to go all out for JHF a few years ago, I think the next year they would need to be more careful and go for more picks in the teens and twenties rather than blowing all their points on one player again.

 

[Haggas]

Alright people let’s keep it impersonal and on point.
Father son is a compromise but a unique one I think we keep it. Matching of bids to be reformed. Minimum pay full price. Look into making it fairer by giving up reasonable picks not lots of late ones.
Long term vision should be to keep academies as development pathway, but move to a model where they aren’t club aligned from a drafting perspective. All clubs continue to support academies but players go into the central pool. Support is part of being a club in the AFL.
Concessions for expansion sides until fixed dates where they are seen as equally likely to start having father sons.

It should just be more fairer.
Every team has an academy that is a pathway for kids to make it but all top 20 bids on all academy’s can’t be matched


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[BloodySwan]

And then you started having a sook and boasting about getting Blakey

Swans fans are the most entitled group of fans in the AFL, they demand extra advantages as if it's their birth right and they're always the first to claim the moral high ground over any topic. Of course, it doesn't stop the Swans from accepting money from a corrupt Government who persecutes anyone from the LGBT community.

The Swans are just a bunch of hypocritical flogs.

Academies aren't an extra advantage, it's to compensate the disadvantages clubs in NSW and QLD face.

That's not me being a hypocritical flog, that's me stating a fact.

How peoples arguments against academies is to sook about COLA or attempt to throw dirt at Swans fans highlights how little you have to argue against it.

 

[rye]

Academies aren't an extra advantage, it's to compensate the disadvantages clubs in NSW and QLD face.

That's not me being a hypocritical flog, that's me stating a fact.

How peoples arguments against academies is to sook about COLA or attempt to throw dirt at Swans fans highlights how little you have to argue against it.

an advantage to a northern club is seen as a stain on the competition

an advantage to a victorian club is a tradition worth upholding or 'just part of the game'

 

[HairyO]

Does anyone want to keep the discounting part of matching bids? Seems like a no-brainer to get rid of that if we are to keep F/S and NGA and Academies and all the other things.

The other option is no matching on 1st round picks. Work hard to get the kid in 2 years.

Which is the other thing, 1st round draft picks should be 4 years, 2nd round should be 3 years, then 2 years for everyone else.

 

[Haggas]

Academies aren't an extra advantage, it's to compensate the disadvantages clubs in NSW and QLD face.

That's not me being a hypocritical flog, that's me stating a fact.

How peoples arguments against academies is to sook about COLA or attempt to throw dirt at Swans fans highlights how little you have to argue against it.

What disadvantages do you’s have that other interstate clubs don’t?


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[BloodySwan]

What disadvantages do you’s have that other interstate clubs don’t?


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I need to find the article but it highlights Victorian are the most likely to request a trade home after their first 2 years. Followed by WA & SA players.

Prior to the academies there wasn't talent coming through NSW & QLD.

Effectively:
NSW & QLD clubs could only draft AFL level talent from 99% VIC, SA & WA. With ~10% of players requesting a trade home (assuming they work out!).
SA & WA clubs can draft SA/WA players and have the luxury of SA/WA born and raised players requesting trades home - again a luxury NSW & QLD clubs didn't have without the academies.
Lastly Victorian clubs can almost exclusively draft Victorian players and be AFL standard. Plus they have the biggest pool of players to call home upon.

Without local talent, NSW & QLD clubs have a significantly harder time retaining talent as ~10% of players drafted request a trade home (again, no talent in NSW/QLD so there is little AFL standard players to draft).
Without NSW/QLD talent, NSW and QLD clubs have a harder time recruiting talent than SA/WA & Vic clubs do.

SA & WA clubs have a harder time recruiting talent and retaining talent than Victorian clubs do but there is a significant difference between the talent pool of NSW & QLD, compared to SA & WA. Until the talent pool is at a similar level (again something which never happened prior to the academies) NSW & QLD clubs operate at a significant disadvantage compared to the rest of the competition.

Vic clubs retain/recruit on Easy mode
SA & WA Clubs retain/recruit on Challenged mode
NSW & Qld clubs retain/recruit on Hard mode

 

[Haggas]

I need to find the article but it highlights Victorian are the most likely to request a trade home after their first 2 years. Followed by WA & SA players.

Prior to the academies there wasn't talent coming through NSW & QLD.

Effectively:
NSW & QLD clubs could only draft AFL level talent from 99% VIC, SA & WA. With ~10% of players requesting a trade home (assuming they work out!).
SA & WA clubs can draft SA/WA players and have the luxury of SA/WA born and raised players requesting trades home - again a luxury NSW & QLD clubs didn't have without the academies.
Lastly Victorian clubs can almost exclusively draft Victorian players and be AFL standard. Plus they have the biggest pool of players to call home upon.

Without local talent, NSW & QLD clubs have a significantly harder time retaining talent as ~10% of players drafted request a trade home (again, no talent in NSW/QLD so there is little AFL standard players to draft).
Without NSW/QLD talent, NSW and QLD clubs have a harder time recruiting talent than SA/WA & Vic clubs do.

SA & WA clubs have a harder time recruiting talent and retaining talent than Victorian clubs do but there is a significant difference between the talent pool of NSW & QLD, compared to SA & WA. Until the talent pool is at a similar level (again something which never happened prior to the academies) NSW & QLD clubs operate at a significant disadvantage compared to the rest of the competition.

Vic clubs retain/recruit on Easy mode
SA & WA Clubs retain/recruit on Challenged mode
NSW & Qld clubs retain/recruit on Hard mode

Who has Sydney and Brisbane lost to the go home factor lately?


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[Membling]

Who has Sydney and Brisbane lost to the go home factor lately?


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From Swans, the Adelaide Captain would be the most recent one

 

[Jordie_tackles]

From Swans, the Adelaide Captain would be the most recent one

Many others?

 

[BloodySwan]

Many others?

With the academies in place? Because you're kinda missing the whole point of the academies if you're expecting us to lose NSW players to home sickness

 

[Obeanie1]

No discounts for academies but academy bids can be matched for any picks outside of the first round for all academies.
If a team wants a player that is linked to another team's academy at pick 20 then that team whose academy the player belongs to has to pay up the full value of pick 20.

There is no need for a discount if you have to match the bid anyway.

The bottom 2 or 3 teams should be able to match bids on their academy kids no matter where the bid comes.

Or at least bids from pick 19.

Those bottom struggling teams are rebuilding and likely losing players to contending teams . Atleast let them access their academy kids before other teams raid them.

 

[HairyO]

With the academies in place? Because you're kinda missing the whole point of the academies if you're expecting us to lose NSW players to home sickness

Which VIC players at the Swans went home in the last few years ?

 

[BloodySwan]

Which VIC players at the Swans went home in the last few years ?

We haven't recruited many of the last few years. Most of our players have been from SA, WA and NSW (you know, academy players. Sydney can't lose them to go home when they already are home).

In saying that we still lost Jones and Hannebery. I'm not counting Rohan.

How many NSW players has Hawthorn lost over the last few years?

 

[Jordie_tackles]

We haven't recruited many of the last few years. Most of our players have been from SA, WA and NSW (you know, academy players. Sydney can't lose them to go home when they already are home).

In saying that we still lost Jones and Hannebery. I'm not counting Rohan.

How many NSW players has Hawthorn lost over the last few years?

I thought Hannebery was pretty mutual?

Melbourne have lost Hogan and Jackson as top players to (go home) for example

 

[Colloquy]

Father son should also be the higher priority when draft age also and the way you are to be drafted if your eligible to be father son at a club but live in a state that has a Academy like the northern states and are in that Academy the only way you can be drafted is as a father son or in the open draft not through the Academy.

Like Nick Blakey

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Nick Blakey

Age

25

Ht

196cm

Wt

83kg

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Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.4

4star

MG

189.1

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

189.1

3star

D

7.2

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.2

2star

T

1.2

3star

was with the swans he should be playing for Brisbane(Fitzroy) or North Melb or another club only way his at Swans if he was there at there pick in the open draft if the father son clubs didn’t nominate him.

 

[BloodySwan]

I thought Hannebery was pretty mutual?

Melbourne have lost Hogan and Jackson as top players to (go home) for example

Melbourne also brought in Lever and Langdon during that period