News AFL to overhaul the draft, discuss changes to Academy and FS bid matching

[giantroo]

 

[Saab NLAW]

Non afl states will always be up against it until that changes.

What a load of crap, Sydney's disadvantages are completely made up. The current system is a rort to get more media money out of NSW

 

[Saab NLAW]

Here's another example. 11 of Melbourne's list are non Victorian. So that's 25 percent .Of which if the stats are right , they should worry about losing 1.
So 75 percent never left or returned.

Players that have chosen Melbourne.
May , Lever , Tomlinson, Dunstan , Shache, Melksham Langdon, Hunter.
Do you want an example of list make-ups of Northern states and what players have left and returned. ? It makes for interesting reading.

When a club like Melbourne, North or the Doggies are able to attract the best player in the league like Sydney has then you may have an argument.

The rules for Sydney are a rort, everyone knows it, stop gaslighting us

 

[JZ_Skitzo]

When a club like Melbourne, North or the Doggies are able to attract the best player in the league like Sydney has then you may have an argument.

The rules for Sydney are a rort, everyone knows it, stop gaslighting us

10 years ago?

 

[Ehswan]

When a club like Melbourne, North or the Doggies are able to attract the best player in the league like Sydney has then you may have an argument.

The rules for Sydney are a rort, everyone knows it, stop gaslighting us

There some hard hitting facts . Is that Eddie McGuires source

 

[Haggas]

No not until draftable players from northern states are even close to the rest of the country. Or some retention solution and cost of living solution.

The greed


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[Ehswan]

The greed


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Yeah, imagine wanting equalisation that everyone talks about

 

[briztoon]

Imagine if it was Brisbanes Academy producing 3 top 10 picks this year while they sit top 3 and potentially win a premiership!

[cough]2025[/cough]

edit: [coughcough]2026[/coughcough] Cooper Hodge from the Lions academy just selected in the QLD U15 team.

 

[briztoon]

Imagine if it was Brisbanes Academy producing 3 top 10 picks this year while they sit top 3 and potentially win a premiership!

You don't know the rules do you.

Finish bottom 10. No limit* on how many academy kids a Northern Academy club can match bids on in the top 20.

Finish 5th - 8th. Can only match a limit of two (2) academy kids in the top 20.

Finish 1st - 4th. Can only match a limit of one (1) academy kid in the top 20.

Edit: *well there is a points limit, based on how many picks/points you can take to the draft, and go into deficit.

 

[Shadow89]

Also 11 of the best 22 U16 AFL team are Academy members, including 5 Gold Coast Suns. Those are impressive numbers.

This along with Tassie entering the comp around the same time, is going to completely distort the comp for years to come.

It has now become a serious problem that the Northern Academy rules are not in line with NGA rules...and I daresay we'll see all 4 clubs in the Top 8 for quite a while, as this continues to get worse year on year.

All that needs to be changed, is that there should be no 'getting ahead of the bid' anymore. I don't care if you're breeding talent, that's due to good programs/culture etc. Problem for me is, situations like Logan McDonald, where you get both him and Campbell for 1 top 10 pick and a bunch of nothing picks. If you want Campbell, use your first rounder. You want McDonald, use your first rounder. No more 5 picks in the 30's with a discount, so you end up with 2 players for the price of one - that is the rort that needs to be changed.

 

[briztoon]

Plus Brisbane and Sydney have had huge names go to their clubs through FA
First Round F/S’s
And Academy players that are top end
When have they had go home factors lately?


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For Brisbane, that's only a new phenomenon.

Before that, we were bleeding players going "home" or leaving the club.

People seem to forget 2013 and the Go Home 5. Losing Aish two years after drafting him at pick 7. Losing Schache two years after drafting him at pick 2.

It took the AFL parachuting in Greg Swann as CEO, David Noble as Head of Football, and Chris Fagan as head coach, then helping to fund and get government funding for our new training facility to right the ship.

Then at the draft we have heavily favoured drafting Vic Country kids, to the point of drafting buddies where talent and relationships line up. Even then it's not foolproof, as there's a fair bit of speculation we're going to lose the third of our 2021 first round selections back to Victoria two years after we drafted him, even though we drafted his best mate the year before.

 

[briztoon]

They can’t return home because none of them get to leave.

Edit Beams went home, Neale chose Brisbane, Daniher chose Brisbane, Dunkley chose Brisbane, Lyon, Gunston, McKenna

Probably more there than most Vic clubs in terms of recruiting high quality players.

Beams was born and raised on the Gold Coast. For reference Geelong is closer to the Melbourne CBD, than the Gold Coast is to the Brisbane CBD.

Beams opted out of being a QLD zone selection to go Victoria in the draft.

Beams dad was dying of cancer, being treated in a Brisbane hospital, so Beams requested a trade to Brisbane in 2014.

Beams dad passed away from cancer in 2018, and Beams requested a trade back to Collingwood.


Nor have Brisbane matched bids on all our academy kids. We've passed on matching bids on academy kids, letting them go to North and Richmond.

Melbourne drafted Oskar Baker out of the QAFL/NEAFL in 2017.


The only QLD'er to come "home" to Brisbane is Charlie Cameron. He's from Mount Isa (1826km from Brisbane), but went to boarding school in Brisbane. (Melbourne 1777km is closer to Brisbane than Mount Isa).

 

[briztoon]

They can’t return home because none of them get to leave.

Edit Beams went home, Neale chose Brisbane, Daniher chose Brisbane, Dunkley chose Brisbane, Lyon, Gunston, McKenna

Probably more there than most Vic clubs in terms of recruiting high quality players.

You're kidding right.

Look at the lists of Geelong, Richmond, Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon, Hawthorn before they had a fire sale. They're full of players who have been pulled out of other clubs, be it from interstate or other Victorian clubs. That's the nature of free agency that the AFL introduced.

Daniher was a RFA. Dunkley was out of contract and had tried leaving the Bulldogs the year before to a different team. So to Daniher btw. Lyons was a delisted free agent. McKenna was a delisted free agent. Neale we payed 2 first picks in trade for. Gunston gave 10 years of service to Hawthorn, and he's just about cooked.

Gold Coast needed their "rescue package" from the AFL, because they were being pillaged of top talent every year by Victorian teams. Plus, when the AFL set them up, they put them up in demountable, temporary buildings, such as you see on building sites, as their admin centre. They didn't have a training and admin facility until they inherited the 2018 Commonwealth games admin and training facility.


Someone on here accused a Sydney fan of entitlement on page 1 or 2. fricken'ell.

The sense of entitlement of every single Victorian, and Victorian club far exceeds that of any fan from any non Victorian club, even West Coasts fans. It starts with calling the clubs outside of Victoria "interstate" teams, and is derived from your VFL roots.

But you all reflect such entitlement back to each other that you don't recognise it.

The AFL is full of inherent biases that benefit the Victorian teams more than any other State, but the second a team outside of Victoria benefits from something you don't have access to, ya'll go and have a sook.

How about Victorian teams start playing the same number of interstate games as every non Victorian team has to. Lets see how that impacts your win loss ratios.

 

[briztoon]

This along with Tassie entering the comp around the same time, is going to completely distort the comp for years to come.

It has now become a serious problem that the Northern Academy rules are not in line with NGA rules...and I daresay we'll see all 4 clubs in the Top 8 for quite a while, as this continues to get worse year on year.

All that needs to be changed, is that there should be no 'getting ahead of the bid' anymore. I don't care if you're breeding talent, that's due to good programs/culture etc. Problem for me is, situations like Logan McDonald, where you get both him and Campbell for 1 top 10 pick and a bunch of nothing picks. If you want Campbell, use your first rounder. You want McDonald, use your first rounder. No more 5 picks in the 30's with a discount, so you end up with 2 players for the price of one - that is the rort that needs to be changed.

Well, if you listen (read) to some ITK North fans, the AFL is looking to change the Father Son bid matching requirements to something similar. But intend to leave the Northern Academy requirements alone.

 

[briztoon]

Also 11 of the best 22 U16 AFL team are Academy members, including 5 Gold Coast Suns. Those are impressive numbers.

Yeah but Kalani White is also Father Son to Melbourne, and all reports are he's more likely to choose Melbourne than Gold Coast.

 

[briztoon]

When a club like Melbourne, North or the Doggies are able to attract the best player in the league like Sydney has then you may have an argument.

The rules for Sydney are a rort, everyone knows it, stop gaslighting us

Melbourne only just recruited a million dollar, multi All Australian ruck last year.

That largely comes down to a clubs culture. I'm sure if those clubs work on their cultures and attractiveness, they'll one day be able to recruit the same quality of player.

 

[Shadow89]

Well, if you listen (read) to some ITK North fans, the AFL is looking to change the Father Son bid matching requirements to something similar. But intend to leave the Northern Academy requirements alone.

Doesn't that seem a little problematic? There's no discernible reason to keep the bid matching requirements as they are - as it essentially gifts an extra player on top of the Academy player. If it's one or the other, it's much fairer - especially when it's a 1st rounder.

 

[Haggas]

For Brisbane, that's only a new phenomenon.

Before that, we were bleeding players going "home" or leaving the club.

People seem to forget 2013 and the Go Home 5. Losing Aish two years after drafting him at pick 7. Losing Schache two years after drafting him at pick 2.

It took the AFL parachuting in Greg Swann as CEO, David Noble as Head of Football, and Chris Fagan as head coach, then helping to fund and get government funding for our new training facility to right the ship.

Then at the draft we have heavily favoured drafting Vic Country kids, to the point of drafting buddies where talent and relationships line up. Even then it's not foolproof, as there's a fair bit of speculation we're going to lose the third of our 2021 first round selections back to Victoria two years after we drafted him, even though we drafted his best mate the year before.

Every team going through a shit patch has that issue. And Aish and Schache also left the club after they left Brisbane too so it’s says something about the type players Brisbane we’re drafting a the time


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[briztoon]

Every team going through a s**t patch has that issue. And Aish and Schache also left the club after they left Brisbane too so it’s says something about the type players Brisbane we’re drafting a the time


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True and true. Though Collingwood pushed Aish out, like they did Grundy and Treloar, just that Aish didn't garner the same attention. Schache is different again, and not something to be discussed here.

 

[briztoon]

Doesn't that seem a little problematic? There's no discernible reason to keep the bid matching requirements as they are - as it essentially gifts an extra player on top of the Academy player. If it's one or the other, it's much fairer - especially when it's a 1st rounder.

You're just looking at one example of Sydney in 2020.

Not every club is going to be able to trade up ahead of an academy or father son kid.

Bulldogs have (another) probable first round (KPF) father son in this years draft, Jordan Croft . It's 50/50 if he is bid on before the Bulldogs two first round picks in this years draft. Are fans going to chuck a wobbly about the Bulldogs potentially getting 3 first round quality kids this year?


Next years draft is chockers with father son kids.
Tyler Welsh to Adelaide.
Levi Ashcroft to Brisbane.
Lucas & Ben Camporeale to Carlton.
Louie Montgomery to Port.

Then you have quite a few academy kids as well.
Leonardo Lombard at Gold Coast.
Sam Marshall at Brisbane.
Both played for the Allies in this years U18 champs.
Gold Coast also have Caleb Nancarrow who was in the 2022 U16 AA team as a KPF.

 

[Anzacday]

Though Collingwood pushed Aish out

I think Longmuir becoming coach of Freo had a bit to do with it.
Guaranteed him game time and Aishy knew his game plan, coaching methods etc.
PS: with regard to your larger post, I think some of the angst comes from Victorian based clubs who hadn’t won a premiership for some time.
When the Lions won 3 and teams like Saints, Bulldogs, Demons, Tigers etc hadn’t won one for some time.
Even South Melbourne/Sydney were in a drought at that point too.

 

[Dudoro]

If North get pick 3 and Sanders this will be the biggest disgrace in draft history I’ve ever seen. How can the league allow this? They’ve put themself in this hole. Just be irresponsible with poor list management and you’ll be rewarded.

See Port Adelaide standing up to the AFL. More clubs must follow. If I was a Hawthorn fan in a deep rebuild I would genuinely be fuming.

Good luck to any other club apart from GC and North rebuilding through this draft.

I said this will be the most compromised non expansion draft in history, well it’s going to be as close as those expansion drafts.

 

[Sphynx]

If North get pick 3 and Sanders this will be the biggest disgrace in draft history I’ve ever seen. How can the league allow this? They’ve put themself in this hole. Just be irresponsible with poor list management and you’ll be rewarded.

See Port Adelaide standing up to the AFL. More clubs must follow. If I was a Hawthorn fan in a deep rebuild I would genuinely be fuming.

Good luck to any other club apart from GC and North rebuilding through this draft.

I said this will be the most compromised non expansion draft in history, well it’s going to be as close as those expansion drafts.

Pick 3 is a compo pick and would have likely been available regardless.

Hawthorn wouldn't likely be picking Sanders at 3/4, so what's the issue?

FA compo? I can't seem to remember there being outrage when you were able to select Reid and Cox from the Danniher compo (Pick 7).

Or Pick 10 for Zac Williams?


Or how about Gold Coast receiving pick 3 as FA compo for Tom Lynch (Izak Rankine) in the strongest draft this decade?


All of these the biggest draft disgrace in history also?

 

[Dudoro]

Pick 3 is a compo pick and would have likely been available regardless.

Hawthorn wouldn't likely be picking Sanders at 3/4, so what's the issue?

FA compo? I can't seem to remember there being outrage when you were able to select Reid and Cox from the Danniher compo.

Yeah but no one is offering McKay 750k.

Hawthorns pick 3 becomes 4. So in simple terms they get the 4th best talent while you get the 3rd.

Other clubs first gets pushed back 2 picks. One for the pick 3 and another for Sanders.

Daniher was signed for band 1 money?

 

[Sphynx]

Yeah but no one is offering McKay 750k.

Hawthorns pick 3 becomes 4. So in simple terms they get the 4th best talent while you get the 3rd.

Other clubs first gets pushed back 2 picks. One for the pick 3 and another for Sanders.

Daniher was signed for band 1 money?

And our pick 2 will get pushed back for Walter.

And our pick 2 got pushed back for Ashcroft

And our pick 2 got pushed back for JUH.

We’ve been in a position to take all of Daicos, Darcy, JUH, Ashcroft and Walter and haven’t been able to pick any of them despite having the first 2 picks in the draft at each time.

We’ve been penalized more than anyone.

 

[botts]

And our pick 2 will get pushed back for Walter.

And our pick 2 got pushed back for Ashcroft

And our pick 2 got pushed back for JUH.

We’ve been in a position to take all of Daicos, Darcy, JUH, Ashcroft and Walter and haven’t been able to pick any of them despite having the first 2 picks in the draft at each time.

We’ve been penalized more than anyone.

Everyone’s picks got pushed back. I’ve never heard a supporter group sook it up more than yours.