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Academy Rorts - The 2025 Draft Thread
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Damaged trade and damaged draft goods are kind of our MO ...
From the Herald Sun behind a paywall, 2027 draft.
U16 champs stats ave: 130 SuperCoach points, 18 disposals, 8.7 marks, 8.0 intercept possessions, 6.0 score involvements. 5.0 intercept marks (3 games)
Opposition sides simply couldn’t cross this Bridge during the champs. The medium defender took five intercept marks in each of his three games, with his vertical leap, reading of the play and strong hands standing out. Bridge skills by foot and attacking play also impressed, highlighted by a classy goal on the run in their championships opener.
Jackson Bridge
Defender, 187cm, Lions Academy/SherwoodU16 champs stats ave: 130 SuperCoach points, 18 disposals, 8.7 marks, 8.0 intercept possessions, 6.0 score involvements. 5.0 intercept marks (3 games)
Opposition sides simply couldn’t cross this Bridge during the champs. The medium defender took five intercept marks in each of his three games, with his vertical leap, reading of the play and strong hands standing out. Bridge skills by foot and attacking play also impressed, highlighted by a classy goal on the run in their championships opener.
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Fast becoming the best player in the family, which is no mean feat.
Kicking is a concern, but his aerial ability is exceptional. About 188-190cm I reckon from what I have seen and if he keeps growing, he will be a very good swing man.
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It looks like our rorts are back on the agenda, St Kilda are bleating again, this time sending out the coach. Also a bit hypocritical of C Scott to whinge about the Ashcroft and Daicos father sons after the Ablett's and Hawkins etc.
AFL 2025: St Kilda coach Ross Lyon takes aim at draft inequity, scrap father-son and academy picks in first round, press conference comments, latest news
St Kilda coach Ross Lyon has proposed his “simple solution” to making the draft more equal declaring father-son and national academy picks should be scrapped from the first round.
Geelong coach Chris Scott also says it’s “bizarre” the father-son rule exists given the equalisation purpose of the draft and questioned its ongoing viability.
After labelling Gold Coast the AFL’s “nepo baby” earlier this year amid his club’s ongoing war with the league over inequity in recruiting, Lyon on Friday delivered an unprompted review of the upcoming draft at his weekly press conference.
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Round 20
His comments follow the vocal opinion of St Kilda president Andrew Bassat who criticised the AFL for letting reigning premier Brisbane draft top pick Levi Ashcroft, having already added his older brother Norm Smith medallist, Will, as father-son selections.
Collingwood star Nick Daicos is another recent walk-up No.1 pick who went to Collingwood at pick number four because of the father-son rule.
As Lyon spoke about the Saints’ ambition to become a premiership club before he pivoted to the draft and wants the changes made to reinstate “a pure” draft.
“We do want to excite our fans and for them to see a way forward and ultimately get to where we want to be, we want to be a premiership club,” he said.
“But that takes time, I listened to Greg Swann, he said, ‘Well, you’ve got to make hard decisions to get there’.
Ross Lyon wants father-son and academy picks scrapped from the first round of the draft. (Photo by Morgan Hancock/Getty Images)Source: Getty Images
“It’s not about just handouts, talking about the whole competition, but within that we’re fighting for equity.
“There’s some inequity in the draft and people push back on it but the simple solution, maybe make the first round untouchable.
“Have that pure, the first round, take out father-sons, take out northern academy, take out NGA (next generation academy), first 18 picks just make it pure, so the talent gets spread.
“Then that will really test if the aim is to make sure if we just want people playing.”
There’s a growing sentiment among clubs about the fairness of the father-son and academy products with to 30 of this year’s draft class potentially already be tied to a specific club.
Geelong has a long history of benefitting from father-one picks, including dual Brownlow medallist Gary Ablett junior, but questioned the long-term viability of a rule seen as more romantic for the game than best practice.
“I’m not sure what my position is, except to say that I am very aware of how bizarre the rule is and in a highly equalised competition, is it right that teams one, two on top of the ladder have four players in their team – three of them absolute locks as number one picks, the other one probably a top five or 10 pick?” Scott said on Friday.
“So just on the surface of it, that seems strange, so that would be my observation.
Gary Ablett Jnr was a father-son pick for Geelong. Picture: Peter RistevskiSource: News Corp Australia
“Now, it’s incongruous that you get a discount because you’ve got a father son. If nothing else, you should have to pay a premium for these guys.
“The way (the AFL) do think about it, which is clearly we just want a close competition, this rule seems strange. And I think it’s a relic of the past where it was a nice romantic idea in the 70s when it wasn’t equalised.”
Fremantle CEO Simon Garlick earlier this month said the system “doesn’t feel right”.
“The father-son is just pot luck,” he told SEN.
“So from my perspective I just think when you’ve got players the like of the Ashcrofts, Sam Darcy – they’re generational players – and we’re all working towards trying to win flags by building great cultures, attracting and retaining talent, and doing things on an even playing field.
“It’s one that I don’t see as having a place in the contemporary game, albeit understanding it’s lovely from a historical perspective and the culture of the game. I get that. But it just doesn’t feel right to me.”
AFL 2025: St Kilda coach Ross Lyon takes aim at draft inequity, scrap father-son and academy picks in first round, press conference comments, latest news
St Kilda coach Ross Lyon has proposed his “simple solution” to making the draft more equal declaring father-son and national academy picks should be scrapped from the first round.
Geelong coach Chris Scott also says it’s “bizarre” the father-son rule exists given the equalisation purpose of the draft and questioned its ongoing viability.
After labelling Gold Coast the AFL’s “nepo baby” earlier this year amid his club’s ongoing war with the league over inequity in recruiting, Lyon on Friday delivered an unprompted review of the upcoming draft at his weekly press conference.
FOX FOOTY, available on Kayo Sports, is the only place to watch every match of every round in the 2025 Toyota AFL Premiership Season LIVE in 4K, with no ad-breaks during play. New to Kayo? Get your first month for just $1. Limited-time offer.
Round 20
His comments follow the vocal opinion of St Kilda president Andrew Bassat who criticised the AFL for letting reigning premier Brisbane draft top pick Levi Ashcroft, having already added his older brother Norm Smith medallist, Will, as father-son selections.
Collingwood star Nick Daicos is another recent walk-up No.1 pick who went to Collingwood at pick number four because of the father-son rule.
As Lyon spoke about the Saints’ ambition to become a premiership club before he pivoted to the draft and wants the changes made to reinstate “a pure” draft.
“We do want to excite our fans and for them to see a way forward and ultimately get to where we want to be, we want to be a premiership club,” he said.
“But that takes time, I listened to Greg Swann, he said, ‘Well, you’ve got to make hard decisions to get there’.
Ross Lyon wants father-son and academy picks scrapped from the first round of the draft. (Photo by Morgan Hancock/Getty Images)Source: Getty Images
“It’s not about just handouts, talking about the whole competition, but within that we’re fighting for equity.
“There’s some inequity in the draft and people push back on it but the simple solution, maybe make the first round untouchable.
“Have that pure, the first round, take out father-sons, take out northern academy, take out NGA (next generation academy), first 18 picks just make it pure, so the talent gets spread.
“Then that will really test if the aim is to make sure if we just want people playing.”
There’s a growing sentiment among clubs about the fairness of the father-son and academy products with to 30 of this year’s draft class potentially already be tied to a specific club.
Geelong has a long history of benefitting from father-one picks, including dual Brownlow medallist Gary Ablett junior, but questioned the long-term viability of a rule seen as more romantic for the game than best practice.
“I’m not sure what my position is, except to say that I am very aware of how bizarre the rule is and in a highly equalised competition, is it right that teams one, two on top of the ladder have four players in their team – three of them absolute locks as number one picks, the other one probably a top five or 10 pick?” Scott said on Friday.
“So just on the surface of it, that seems strange, so that would be my observation.
Gary Ablett Jnr was a father-son pick for Geelong. Picture: Peter RistevskiSource: News Corp Australia
“Now, it’s incongruous that you get a discount because you’ve got a father son. If nothing else, you should have to pay a premium for these guys.
“The way (the AFL) do think about it, which is clearly we just want a close competition, this rule seems strange. And I think it’s a relic of the past where it was a nice romantic idea in the 70s when it wasn’t equalised.”
Fremantle CEO Simon Garlick earlier this month said the system “doesn’t feel right”.
“The father-son is just pot luck,” he told SEN.
“So from my perspective I just think when you’ve got players the like of the Ashcrofts, Sam Darcy – they’re generational players – and we’re all working towards trying to win flags by building great cultures, attracting and retaining talent, and doing things on an even playing field.
“It’s one that I don’t see as having a place in the contemporary game, albeit understanding it’s lovely from a historical perspective and the culture of the game. I get that. But it just doesn’t feel right to me.”
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If the AFL do end up getting rid of Father/Son and/or Academies it would be so bloody hilarious if very soon after the Saints have a F/S widely regarded as a clear number 1 in the draft come through, LOL!
Maboo
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It is hilarious because they have just started a Saints Father/Son academy
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We could always go back to F/s as a third round pick which would stop them mucking up the first round!
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Almost guaranteed to happen.
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When I see garbage like this from another team's coach, I sometimes wish we had a Jose Mourinho-style troll of a coach who would stir the pot right back and call Lyon what he is, a serial failure. But aside from a couple of comments about Gold Coast a year or two back, Fagan seems too classy to engage in such comments.
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It looks like our rorts are back on the agenda, St Kilda are bleating again, this time sending out the coach. Also a bit hypocritical of C Scott to whinge about the Ashcroft and Daicos father sons after the Ablett's and Hawkins etc.
AFL 2025: St Kilda coach Ross Lyon takes aim at draft inequity, scrap father-son and academy picks in first round, press conference comments, latest news
St Kilda coach Ross Lyon has proposed his “simple solution” to making the draft more equal declaring father-son and national academy picks should be scrapped from the first round.
Geelong coach Chris Scott also says it’s “bizarre” the father-son rule exists given the equalisation purpose of the draft and questioned its ongoing viability.
After labelling Gold Coast the AFL’s “nepo baby” earlier this year amid his club’s ongoing war with the league over inequity in recruiting, Lyon on Friday delivered an unprompted review of the upcoming draft at his weekly press conference.
FOX FOOTY, available on Kayo Sports, is the only place to watch every match of every round in the 2025 Toyota AFL Premiership Season LIVE in 4K, with no ad-breaks during play. New to Kayo? Get your first month for just $1. Limited-time offer.
Round 20
His comments follow the vocal opinion of St Kilda president Andrew Bassat who criticised the AFL for letting reigning premier Brisbane draft top pick Levi Ashcroft, having already added his older brother Norm Smith medallist, Will, as father-son selections.
Collingwood star Nick Daicos is another recent walk-up No.1 pick who went to Collingwood at pick number four because of the father-son rule.
As Lyon spoke about the Saints’ ambition to become a premiership club before he pivoted to the draft and wants the changes made to reinstate “a pure” draft.
“We do want to excite our fans and for them to see a way forward and ultimately get to where we want to be, we want to be a premiership club,” he said.
“But that takes time, I listened to Greg Swann, he said, ‘Well, you’ve got to make hard decisions to get there’.
Ross Lyon wants father-son and academy picks scrapped from the first round of the draft. (Photo by Morgan Hancock/Getty Images)Source: Getty Images
“It’s not about just handouts, talking about the whole competition, but within that we’re fighting for equity.
“There’s some inequity in the draft and people push back on it but the simple solution, maybe make the first round untouchable.
“Have that pure, the first round, take out father-sons, take out northern academy, take out NGA (next generation academy), first 18 picks just make it pure, so the talent gets spread.
“Then that will really test if the aim is to make sure if we just want people playing.”
There’s a growing sentiment among clubs about the fairness of the father-son and academy products with to 30 of this year’s draft class potentially already be tied to a specific club.
Geelong has a long history of benefitting from father-one picks, including dual Brownlow medallist Gary Ablett junior, but questioned the long-term viability of a rule seen as more romantic for the game than best practice.
“I’m not sure what my position is, except to say that I am very aware of how bizarre the rule is and in a highly equalised competition, is it right that teams one, two on top of the ladder have four players in their team – three of them absolute locks as number one picks, the other one probably a top five or 10 pick?” Scott said on Friday.
“So just on the surface of it, that seems strange, so that would be my observation.
Gary Ablett Jnr was a father-son pick for Geelong. Picture: Peter RistevskiSource: News Corp Australia
“Now, it’s incongruous that you get a discount because you’ve got a father son. If nothing else, you should have to pay a premium for these guys.
“The way (the AFL) do think about it, which is clearly we just want a close competition, this rule seems strange. And I think it’s a relic of the past where it was a nice romantic idea in the 70s when it wasn’t equalised.”
Fremantle CEO Simon Garlick earlier this month said the system “doesn’t feel right”.
“The father-son is just pot luck,” he told SEN.
“So from my perspective I just think when you’ve got players the like of the Ashcrofts, Sam Darcy – they’re generational players – and we’re all working towards trying to win flags by building great cultures, attracting and retaining talent, and doing things on an even playing field.
“It’s one that I don’t see as having a place in the contemporary game, albeit understanding it’s lovely from a historical perspective and the culture of the game. I get that. But it just doesn’t feel right to me.”
Chris is smart - geelong’s natural advantages would be even greater in a comp without father sons and academy picks.
True, they’ve moved on to free agents and very clever player sponsorships and real estate!
Should get one of the useless Non-Melbourne clubs to complain endlessly about this, West Coast isn't doing much else right now. Maybe Hinkley could fire a parting shot.
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This weekend: Gold Coast v Brisbane at People First Stadium, Saturday July 26, 9.35am AEST
MATCH CENTRE Check out all the stats from Brisbane's clash
Highly-touted draft prospect Daniel Annable impressed in Brisbane's nine-point win over Gold Coast.
The Lions Academy product kicked a goal and finished with 28 disposals, four tackles, four marks and four clearances in a prolific outing.
AFL.com.au draft and trade guru Cal Twomey ranked Annable, a hard-at-it midfielder, at No.5 in his first Phantom Form Guide of 2025 ahead of this year's Telstra AFL Draft.
This weekend: Gold Coast v Brisbane at People First Stadium, Saturday July 26, 9.35am AEST
MATCH CENTRE Check out all the stats from Brisbane's clash
Highly-touted draft prospect Daniel Annable impressed in Brisbane's nine-point win over Gold Coast.
The Lions Academy product kicked a goal and finished with 28 disposals, four tackles, four marks and four clearances in a prolific outing.
AFL.com.au draft and trade guru Cal Twomey ranked Annable, a hard-at-it midfielder, at No.5 in his first Phantom Form Guide of 2025 ahead of this year's Telstra AFL Draft.
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Not interested, we won't have mid minutes for him when we recruit Alex Davies and Will brodie
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From the U16 AA team.
Tevita Rodan (son of David) and Louis Salopek (son of Steven) who are both eligible to Port Adelaide, and Koby Bewick (son of Darren) who is eligible to Essendon. While Zemes Pilot is a Ports NGA member.
Charlie McLennan, Duke Marshall-Orr and Monte Cairns all from the Sydney Swans academy (from a team we beat by 50 points).
Cooper French from GWS's academy. Jackson Bridge from the Lions academy.
Max Gulliver and Sam Husband are from Tasmania, I'm not sure if Tassie will be able to prelist players from this draft for their entry in to the AFL.
Tevita Rodan (son of David) and Louis Salopek (son of Steven) who are both eligible to Port Adelaide, and Koby Bewick (son of Darren) who is eligible to Essendon. While Zemes Pilot is a Ports NGA member.
Charlie McLennan, Duke Marshall-Orr and Monte Cairns all from the Sydney Swans academy (from a team we beat by 50 points).
Cooper French from GWS's academy. Jackson Bridge from the Lions academy.
Max Gulliver and Sam Husband are from Tasmania, I'm not sure if Tassie will be able to prelist players from this draft for their entry in to the AFL.
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Assuming their entry is on time, yes they will.
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Gulliver should have played ruck for Essendon in the 1920s.
Seriously, who names their kid Tyan?
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That name doesn't appear in the books, only Tyrion and Tywin. Interestingly, there are two NFL players named Tyrion.
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