Academy v Father-Sons

[Colonial]

Go back & read my original post mate.....At no stage have I suggested that Blakey was without a choice before he nominated his club of preference.

You just seem to be looking for a fight where there is none.

Not at all mate.

Just pointing out there is no 1st dibs.

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[Procrastinator35]

Not at all mate.

Just pointing out there is no 1st dibs.

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Once a player nominates their club of choice under either the Academy or F/S system, then there most certainly is.

 

[Colonial]

Once a player nominates their club of choice under either the Academy or F/S system, then there most certainly is.

Not at all

Just means the decision is already made.

There was no 1st dibs.

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[Kummerspeck]

Didn’t your club move because you were too poor?

Move along, the adults are talking.

Try to contribute like one rather than just taking pot shots.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Not at all

Just means the decision is already made.

There was no 1st dibs.

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Sydney have first dibs....Let it go dude, you are just plain wrong & mistaken here.....Bite the bullet & move on.

 

[BloodySwan]

Try to contribute like one rather than just taking pot shots.

Nah he's right, apparently an event which happened 17yrs before Blakey was born will determine whether he sees North or Sydney as a poor club.

 

[Colonial]

Sydney have first dibs....Let it go dude, you are just plain wrong & mistaken here.....Bite the bullet & move on.

Not at all. 1st dibs implies some rule giving them 1st crack. There isnt one.
Kagas and Swans on par. If he has made his choice it's not 1st dibs its done and dusted.

Telling me to move on doesnt change it.



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[Kangaroos4eva]

Try to contribute like one rather than just taking pot shots.

Not a pot shot at all, if a person is going to use garbage like ‘poor club’, they will be called out on it.

Nah he's right, apparently an event which happened 17yrs before Blakey was born will determine whether he sees North or Sydney as a poor club.

Of course I’m right on this one, one club had intestinal fortitude and stayed to brave it out and the other one didn’t. Speaks volumes about club culture.

 

[BloodySwan]

Of course I’m right on this one, one club had intestinal fortitude and stayed to brave it out and the other one didn’t. Speaks volumes about club culture.

What really speaks volumes is the son of a Kanga would rather play for his local team than your mob

 

[Kummerspeck]

Not a pot shot at all, if a person is going to use garbage like ‘poor club’, they will be called out on it.

If you consider his comment garbage then yours is no better.

 

[Turbocat]

Rules change on the run folks. Always have.
Teams have to adapt to them for any particular trade year/period.
There used to be zones. 3 or 4 Vic clubs benefited from those zones for years resulting in multiple GFs & p'ships & players from the lowly teams wanting to leave always wanting to go to those same clubs. Go figure!
Then the draft comes in rewarding the s**t teams with high draft picks along with an added bonus priority pick if they are really s**t & if they are good enough to then develop those "gifts" they can climb to the top again (refer to Hawthorn) & if they are really bad they just blow their chances regularly (Melbourne & Carlton).
Then that became "unfair" so they removed the priority pick. Lucky you got in Hawks.
The father son was a way of keeping families at one club. Clubs didn't need to bid for them at all & they could just take them with much later picks, allowing them to still use their high picks on other talent. Refer to Geelong in getting Ablett & Scarlett, two stars, to the club. "Unfair advantage" so it was changed to teams being able to bid on these players. Bulldogs also have benefited from the father/son.

Non traditional state AFL teams such as Brisbane & Sydney were losing their high draft picks, rewarded for being s**t, to the go home factor on a regular basis. Sydney lost Rocca, Grant, Doolan, Gaspar etc so the AFL brought in a player retention allowance which allowed us to keep our players longer & to attract the odd star to our club. Brisbane then played in 4 consecutive GFs winning 3 in a row so the CEO (Conflicted Executive Officer) of the AFL Eddie McChin, made sure he got the propaganda machine going utilising one of his conflicted roles, the media, to have it removed from Brisbane, so that they could become s**t again in order to qualify for high draft picks & it was renamed the CoLA for the Swans so as to show there was no longer a player retention allowance.

So in comes the Free Agency which was designed to allow "loyal" players the chance to become disloyal & move to another club after good service to their former club. This also would give the much lower clubs the chance to attract some of these players. Such as Hawthorn did by getting Lake & Frawley

So then the Swans start to become too good at not only playing AFL football, but also having the capacity to attract & entice stars to our club. A few too many actually. "Unfair advantage" says the CEO (Conflicted Executive Officer) Eddie so it's gawwwwn. Fair enough too because it's rules on the run that gives every team a fair go at it needs to reward the teams that just haven't got their s**t together on a regular basis.

Now the Swans Academy, which was something thrown up in order to develop the game over a prolonged period of time in a non traditional AFL state NSW, was agreed to by all the other clubs. Even Eddie because I'm sure he thought that the amount of money we ourselves were going to pour in, was a waste of time.
Hello Heeney! Unfair advantage. Now other clubs can bid on players we develop with our money. Hello Mills. Now we bring in the points system to give other teams some sort of chance to get our developed academy kids.
Fair enough. We're too good at utilising the rules. So are Hawks, so are Cats.

Academies will be gone soon for the northern state & for the Vic clubs because they are realising they cost too much to run.

An entertaining post... disagree with some of it but some of it is close enough to right.

Geelong has had its fair share of FSons , so have Collingwood , so Ess .. but most FSons really are not like Hawkins who was a top 5 pick. What will Oscar Brownless go at this year... 30+ Mensch probably will not get a bid... but sure we paid what ever the system said to pay so.. as you say we utalised the rules as all clubs should.

You are certainly right that rules change .. the comp moves and alters and is contestant state of flex to try to ensure an even as comp as possible.As far as accademies go, as I understand it Heeney is almost the perfect example of what we want from Academies. A player from a NON afl background recruited to the game... but as is often the case .. rights to elite talent does get the hairs up on the back of the necks who cant get access to it. Even now that there is bidding in the system there would be serious questions asked if you were adding players of that standard once or twice every year when you are a top team.

Id guess the querry over sons of coaches in academies would be..do they come from non afl backgrounds.. but Id also say that a coach that has coached a side for a period of time to satisfy a qualification period should perhaps also qualify for FS. How many games has Voss coached Port .. or Knights at Geelong?

Every club has its own competitive issues and demographics to fill.. and Vic clubs are important but so are all the clubs imo the Northern clubs are worthy of the part of the comp , and they need some help developing talent where as the system in the traditional states currently does the role. Although as time gets on.. id say all clubs should be trying to develop non afl background talent . Why not have all the clubs can be trying to recruit from non traditional sporting streams , if it increases the numbers to recruit from everyone is better off.

One advantage I dont think you mentioned was "Cola"...I dont think that should be reintroduced but I do think that in a FA environment we could look at increasing the SC of teams that have had excessive periods of time at the bottom. Not just Vic or Northern or Western.. any club. So Carlton and Gold Coast and Brisbane etc atm we have more money to play with. The old paradigm of more drafts picks dont work when players can move clubs easier.

 

[Rad Roo]

What really speaks volumes is the son of a Kanga would rather play for his local team than your mob

Says volume about a club that despite cheating the system is still only a nearly team but never good enough to b a real winner.

 

[Colonial]

Says volume about a club that despite cheating the system is still only a nearly team but never good enough to b a real winner.

Nice attack on your own club there.

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[BloodySwan]

Says volume about a club that despite cheating the system is still only a nearly team but never good enough to b a real winner.

Ignoring the "cheating" comment, the Swans have 2 premierships in the last 15 years. 5 grand finals during the same period. Only the 2 other teams are more successful during the same period.

 

[briztoon]

Not at all. 1st dibs implies some rule giving them 1st crack. There isnt one.
Kagas and Swans on par. If he has made his choice it's not 1st dibs its done and dusted.

Telling me to move on doesnt change it.



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Of course Sydney have first dibs, rights, call it what ever you want, on Blakey.

Sydney gained first rights the second Blakey nominated them as his destination of choice.

And it wasn't a two horse race, Brisbane also had a stake in Blakey and he has spent time training in our academy to.

Now there is a slim possibility that a bid for Blakey comes to early and Sydney don't match, but that is another discussion.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Of course Sydney have first dibs, rights, call it what ever you want, on Blakey.
Sydney gained first rights the second Blakey nominated them as his destination of choice.
And it wasn't a two horse race, Brisbane also had a stake in Blakey and he has spent time training in our academy to.
Now there is a slim possibility that a bid for Blakey comes to early and Sydney don't match, but that is another discussion.

Not really....It simply means that Sydney chose to renege on their first dibs option; Which remains in place until such time as they alone choose not to apply it.

 

[Turbocat]

Of course Sydney have first dibs, rights, call it what ever you want, on Blakey.

Sydney gained first rights the second Blakey nominated them as his destination of choice.

And it wasn't a two horse race, Brisbane also had a stake in Blakey and he has spent time training in our academy to.

Now there is a slim possibility that a bid for Blakey comes to early and Sydney don't match, but that is another discussion.

Just how early is that going to be ... ? Would you bid 2 on him? That would test the system. Still with discounts they would get him cheaper

 

[Studly Baker]

As an Essendon supporter, I am outraged by the idea of a f/s candidate choosing to stay in the state he lives rather than uprooting and moving cross country. That is until next year, when Chris Johnson's son nominates Essendon instead of the Lions.