Ace In The Deck

[catempire]

Scarlett's a freak talent who still sometimes get beaten by guys who have a bit of height on him - look at Brown last year.

The next two best defenders after Scarlett, IMO, are Rutten (191cm) and Glass (192cm).

193cm is about average for a key defender.

I think once you start getting players taller than that, they're getting into the territory of trading off mobility for height.

Egan, IIRC, is 196cm and one of the great things about him is he is unusually mobile for someone of that size. Some put it down to his tennis background...

 

[Pivo]

The next two best defenders after Scarlett, IMO, are Rutten (191cm) and Glass (192cm).

193cm is about average for a key defender.

I think once you start getting players taller than that, they're getting into the territory of trading off mobility for height.

Egan, IIRC, is 196cm and one of the great things about him is he is unusually mobile for someone of that size. Some put it down to his tennis background...

From what I've read, you want some mobility with some height then Trengove is probably your boy.

However I do like Lisle as well. Mobility is all well and good however if a guy can read the play well then he can make up for it. Lisle, from what I have seen, is a pretty good reader of the play to go with his size.

Added to this is the fact he can play forward and back.

Is mid teens a bit early for him? Maybe, but I think it is worth the punt.

I'd also rather see Taylor stay with his current shape (with a bit more strength) and play as a true utility type. He is pretty good by hand and foot, can take a good mark and can run. I think he'd be a perfect replacement for Milburn or Harley down the track.

 

[Rik E Boy]

I just want to see people get off Harry's back. Last Sunday was David friggin Hale day. The first goal he kicked he was on Dasher who was a mile away from him. Then there was that 'hold' free kick against Mackie (not Taylor) but minutes later Hale was allowed to shove Taylor right in the middle of the back. Then the big bloke got confident and the Roos midfield started looking to him more (they became Hale concious LOL). In the end the big freak had turned into Dunstall and Lockett all in one and was jagging them from everywhere. You just had to shake your head in the end and marvel at his game rather than overanalyise and point the finger on a bloke that was standing him for maybe a quarter at most.

Not all that many of these goals where kicked on Harry yet we see rubbish from Mike Sheahan and Robert KnoWalls and by god even our own supporters!

SAVE HARRY TAYLOR!

regards,

REB

 

[JUBJUB]

Not all that many of these goals where kicked on Harry yet we see rubbish from Mike Sheahan and Robert KnoWalls

It makes you wonder how closely they watched the game

 

[whoknows]

Qft. I just wanted to see it again.

I don't think Taylor will be a defender capable of taking power forwards - at 193cm he simply will never be big enough. He's more likely to fill a utility style role ala Milburn, or the third tall stuff that Harley does now. McKenna's a better height - 195cm

2cm difference? Would not make a difference in the world. Their arms probably have that much difference, let alone factoring in their respective leaps, and the potential to get some muscle on... Getting finicky now.

 

[Rik E Boy]

It makes you wonder how closely they watched the game

Because there are so many media outlets exammining every aspect of the game each journo needs to discover an angle. The angle for many is the divination of theories such as how do 'we' bring down the mighty Cats? So they come up with this theory based on our backline (even though Egan hasn't played since Round 22 and we've lost ONE match in that time) and you closely look for a ten minute period of the match that fulfills the prophecy and then you can stand atop the mountain and proclaim your footballing greatness.

My praise is reserved for Harry Taylor who has done a bloody good job in the backline in his first season with Egan gone for the year. Once again I say....

SAVE HARRY TAYLOR!

regards,

REB

 

[TheTimeCometh]

that's right and do better going forward sunday's game should of been a white wash with the of double in side 50's and back on topic with ace in deck l dont see the cats doing any thing diff the ACE might be tried by our opposition and be turn out to be a joker

this post blew my mind.

 

[TheTimeCometh]

2cm difference? Would not make a difference in the world. Their arms probably have that much difference

an extra inch plus the potentially larger wingspan could make a world of difference.

fletcher probably has nearly a foot of height/reach on someone like harley or scarlett.

 

[Just do something]

I just want to see people get off Harry's back. Last Sunday was David friggin Hale day. The first goal he kicked he was on Dasher who was a mile away from him. Then there was that 'hold' free kick against Mackie (not Taylor) but minutes later Hale was allowed to shove Taylor right in the middle of the back. Then the big bloke got confident and the Roos midfield started looking to him more (they became Hale concious LOL). In the end the big freak had turned into Dunstall and Lockett all in one and was jagging them from everywhere. You just had to shake your head in the end and marvel at his game rather than overanalyise and point the finger on a bloke that was standing him for maybe a quarter at most.

Not all that many of these goals where kicked on Harry yet we see rubbish from Mike Sheahan and Robert KnoWalls and by god even our own supporters!

SAVE HARRY TAYLOR!

regards,

REB

Harry is a beauty dont worry about that my one observation about the Big H is he never seems to go to ground in a contest never!!. yes he can get pushed under the ball at times but that will change with more time spent in the gym.
So leave him alone all of you !! Yes all of you!!

 

[whoknows]

an extra inch plus the potentially larger wingspan could make a world of difference.

fletcher probably has nearly a foot of height/reach on someone like harley or scarlett.

That's why I said this:

2cm difference? Would not make a difference in the world. Their arms probably have that much difference, let alone factoring in their respective leaps, and the potential to get some muscle on...

All I mean is that it's drawing a long bow to suggest a 2cm height difference would make any sort of difference without measuring their armspans (mine is longer than my housemates, despite him being an inch-and-a-bit taller) & leap, not to mention the size of their builds/potential, or even their speed over the ground. 2cm is really jack all when you actually look at it, and isn't a great indicator of the type of role they are capable of. Scarlett was the perfect example given.

Fletcher's has three times the height difference over Scarlett than McKenna has over Taylor, and freakishly long arms, so his 'extra foot' isn't surprising.

 

[thejester]

All I mean is that it's drawing a long bow to suggest a 2cm height difference would make any sort of difference without measuring their armspans (mine is longer than my housemates, despite him being an inch-and-a-bit taller) & leap, not to mention the size of their builds/potential, or even their speed over the ground. 2cm is really jack all when you actually look at it, and isn't a great indicator of the type of role they are capable of. Scarlett was the perfect example given.

Fletcher's has three times the height difference over Scarlett than McKenna has over Taylor, and freakishly long arms, so his 'extra foot' isn't surprising.

I don't disagree with the idea that it's more complex than simply looking at height, but all things considered equal I'd rather I had a 196cm defender playing on the likes of Riewoldt, Pavlich and Brown than a 192-3 one. I also don't agree that it's jack all, looking at how often potential spoils miss by the tiniest of margins it could be quite important.

The other thing is height is also indicative of weight. Taylor has a degree in physio and has gone on record IIRC as saying he doesn't want to put a lot more weight on - which means he is going to be conceding a few kilos to the aforementioned players which in turn could be the difference between success and failure.

 

[Cattery]

Any chance Hawkins could be given a trial run in defence; the thought seems to be that we could be vulnerable [ on occasions ] due to the lack of a genuine big body down back, and they don't come much bigger then the Tomahawk.

Personally wouldn't mind seeing him tried there on Saturday, and if he looks like he can handle it then he'd be a perfect match up [ size wise ] for Hale the following week.

Been suggested he come in and allow Lonergan to go back, so the perception seems to be that he plays forward or he doesn't play at all, guess we'll never find out if he can play at the other end of the ground if we don't give him the chance, and who knows, he may turn out to be "Jumping Jack" mark two, a real chip off the old block.

 

[NEMINI]

Sorry but round 22 isn't the time to be experimenting, it takes more than just throwing a player out into an unfamiliar position to see if they can do it. There are certain things they need to be taught and thats not going to happen during a real game. Also let's say Hawkins was thrown back there and did okay against a depleted Eagles team, does that really prove he can go up against finals contenders during finals? Hell no. If he does poorly does that make the player feel bad and possibly ruin his confidence at the other end? possibly, is it worth that risk for an experiment that will ultimately prove and provide nothing? Hell no.

 

[Cattery]

Sorry but round 22 isn't the time to be experimenting, it takes more than just throwing a player out into an unfamiliar position to see if they can do it. There are certain things they need to be taught and thats not going to happen during a real game. Also let's say Hawkins was thrown back there and did okay against a depleted Eagles team, does that really prove he can go up against finals contenders during finals? Hell no.

Agree with some of what you say, the fact that it's so late in the season is my main concern, but I still see it as a no lose situation to be honest, whether he plays there or not on Saturday is not going to alter the fact that we will/should win comfortably, and if he shows an aptitude for it what's the downside to him playing there the following week?

Hales kicked twelve goals against us in two outings this year, so it's not like we're losing anything by giving Hawkins a crack at him, plus he'd be a pretty handy player to throw forward if the need arose.

is it worth that risk for an experiment that will ultimately prove and provide nothing? Hell no.

Guess we won't know until/unless we give it a try, you may be 100% correct, then again it may show that he can handle the job and therefore provide us with another option down back.

 

[Rik E Boy]

Harry is a beauty dont worry about that my one observation about the Big H is he never seems to go to ground in a contest never!!. yes he can get pushed under the ball at times but that will change with more time spent in the gym.
So leave him alone all of you !! Yes all of you!!

Have you noticed how often Jonathon Brown is going to ground these days? I reckon he hit the deck about half a dozen times against the Blues.

regards,

REB