Adam Goodes. Australia is built on lies.

[SugarCoat]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ds-need-learn-history-country-built-lies.html

During a recent interview with the BBC, the AFL star said some Australian policies had resulted in the suppression of indigenous people and other minorities and called for better education about the country's history.

'The history of our country is built on so much lies and racial policies, and things that have suppressed my people and lots of minorities in this country, so you can't blame people for having the views that they have,' he said.

 

[little graham]

Is the Op a coward and to afraid to comment? Waiting to see how the thread goes before commentating. Hoping that the posters will attack Goodes?

The guy is spot on.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Goodes probably should have said it in a song, less controversial that way.

 

[scon]

How can Goodes be Australian of the Year,Aboriginal and a member of TeamStraya,that's what I want to know.
Tone should shirtfront his blackass for suggesting grownups told fibs to kids and older kids.

 

[skilts]

'The history of our country is built on so much lies and racial policies, and things that have suppressed my people and lots of minorities in this country, so you can't blame people for having the views that they have,' he said.

He has valid points among this critique of the treatment of Aborigines. That he would accept an award based solely on Australian citizenship renders whatever he says about racism somewhat meaningless. Does he have anything else to contribute to the public discourse? Personally, I would think it wiser if he were to widen his horizons. I fear he may be seen as a one-trick pony - the position to which Aborigines are consigned, and deliberately consign themselves. He, at least, has the benefit of the time to become wiser, and more useful to his cause, if he can overcome people who will deliberately ignore him once his football career is ended.

 

[scon]

skilts
Having accepted the award:anything he has to say about racism is 'somewhat'{lovely word} meaningless.


Are you saying because Aussie Citizenship is required to win that award he should either have not accepted or shutupforever??

 

[medusala]

Waiting to see how the thread goes before commentating.

 

[mottrain]

Lol at goodes complaining over dishonesty.

 

[The Coup]

He's right but its a futile argument.

If he would promote something bigger or more revolutionary, he might actually help someone.

 

[JeffDunne]

Australia is a country of holocaust deniers.

It would also appear to now be a country where your patriotism is defined by how strongly you deny it's history.

 

[cartwright]

He's right but its a futile argument.

If he would promote something bigger or more revolutionary, he might actually help someone.

He seems to make people feel quite uncomfortable, with bringing certain issues to the forefront. He also mentioned campaigning for white ribbon & recognise Australia...

 

[Power Raid]

I hear where Goodes is coming from but it is all perspective. As Cook did find Australia for the British, thus from a British perspective it was correct and correct in Australia during the time goodes went to school in oz to think from that perspective

Sure it ignores the aborigines who were already here, sure it ignore the islanders and Indonesians and sure it ignores the Dutch who also found Australia.

But history is always taught from the perspective if the victor.

Australia has now matured and as such has its own identity. With that comes a different view of Australia. One that is not considered from a British perspective but an Australian one. It is a shame goodes has been left behind on that issue.

 

[cartwright]

I hear where Goodes is coming from but it is all perspective. As Cook did find Australia for the British, thus from a British perspective it was correct and correct in Australia during the time goodes went to school in oz to think from that perspective

Sure it ignores the aborigines who were already here, sure it ignore the islanders and Indonesians and sure it ignores the Dutch who also found Australia.

But history is always taught from the perspective if the victor.

Australia has now matured and as such has its own identity. With that comes a different view of Australia. One that is not considered from a British perspective but an Australian one. It is a shame goodes has been left behind on that issue.

what is the Australian perspective?

 

[Power Raid]

what is the Australian perspective?

A more holistic view of the past that recognises the aborigines, the islanders, the Dutch and the Indonesians.

It recognises terra nullias was incorrect and acknowledges British settlement. It considers the impact of ww1 and more importantly ww2 which forced our hand on immigration.

But I'm sure you know all that.

 

[JeffDunne]

But history is always taught from the perspective if the victor.

You'd do well in North Korea with that sort of thinking.

Propaganda is written by the victor, or in this case the oppressor. History is written by people seeking the truth.

You are the worse sort of ignorant. You choose to be.

 

[Richard Pryor]

It's hard to believe that at one point in our history that being Irish was something you'd be discriminated against for. There's a particular brand of patriotism that find itself at odds with less than savoury parts of a countries history, but patriotism can exist without denial.

I hear where Goodes is coming from but it is all perspective. As Cook did find Australia for the British, thus from a British perspective it was correct and correct in Australia during the time goodes went to school in oz to think from that perspective

Sure it ignores the aborigines who were already here, sure it ignore the islanders and Indonesians and sure it ignores the Dutch who also found Australia.

But history is always taught from the perspective if the victor.

Australia has now matured and as such has its own identity. With that comes a different view of Australia. One that is not considered from a British perspective but an Australian one. It is a shame goodes has been left behind on that issue.

I think acknowledging history (while at the same time acknowledging it in context. No-one is responsible or directly affected by actions in the past) is a good thing for a society. You seem to be interpreting Goodes comments as saying he wants the aboriginal identity to be separate(?), I see it more as him saying he wants Australia's racial issues in the past to be apart of its identity.

Acknowledging history is different to maintaining it. I, like Goodes, can understand the resentment in the indigenous (and other) communities towards society. I don't condone it, or think it is productive (or even reasonable in some cases), but I do understand it. Which I think is an important thing for people to do.

That said, in my experience I've never felt that racial issues and policies were ever glossed over or covered up in my education. Does action really need to be taken to get 'better' education? I have never felt like I was being taught to idolise Cook or his place in history.

 

[Power Raid]

It's hard to believe that at one point in our history that being Irish was something you'd be discriminated against for. There's a particular brand of patriotism that find itself at odds with less than savoury parts of a countries history, but patriotism can exist without denial.
I think acknowledging history (while at the same time acknowledging it in context. No-one is responsible or directly affected by actions in the past) is a good thing for a society. You seem to be interpreting Goodes comments as saying he wants the aboriginal identity to be separate(?), I see it more as him saying he wants Australia's racial issues in the past to be apart of its identity.

Acknowledging history is different to maintaining it. I, like Goodes, can understand the resentment in the indigenous (and other) communities towards society. I don't condone it, or think it is productive (or even reasonable in some cases), but I do understand it. Which I think is an important thing for people to do.

That said, in my experience I've never felt that racial issues and policies were ever glossed over or covered up in my education. Does action really need to be taken to get 'better' education? I have never felt like I was being taught to idolise Cook or his place in history.

not exactly my point, rather his comments would have been relevant 30 years ago and the Australian perspective is no longer limited to the British perspective.

 

[Power Raid]

You'd do well in North Korea with that sort of thinking.

Propaganda is written by the victor, or in this case the oppressor. History is written by people seeking the truth.

You are the worse sort of ignorant. You choose to be.

well done champ

so are you telling me, the british didn't tell the story from their perspective which was then shared by "british australia"? instead the "lies" and history was told by the indigenous australians but chose captain cook as the founder?

lol

please confirm

 

[JeffDunne]

What on earth are you talking about?

 

[Power Raid]

What on earth are you talking about?

what did you think I said for your emotional outburst about north korea? do you not agree that the "victor" tells the story from there perspective? or were you just so offended by the word victor, that you failed to understand why the history was taught they way it was?

Let's go through it again without the word victor,so you can concentrate:

history was written and told in australia from a british perspective.

if you do not agree the british made the claim that cook found australia, then who did? are you suggesting the indigenous did?

 

[JeffDunne]

what did you think I said for your emotional outburst about north korea? do you not agree that the "victor" tells the story from there perspective? or were you just so offended by the word victor, that you failed to understand why the history was taught they way it was?

Let's go through it again without the word victor,so you can concentrate:

history was written and told in australia from a british perspective.

if you do not agree the british made the claim that cook found australia, then who did? are you suggesting the indigenous did?

Your use of the word 'history' offends me, not the use of the word 'victor'.

Using 'victor' to describe oppression & genocide is offensive though. It's the language of denial. You choose to believe a narrative you know is a lie (hence my North Korea comment).

Nobody is denying what's been taught/written in the past has been full of prejudice and often straight out falsehoods (if that's the point your trying to make with your ridiculous question). You're trying to justify why we should maintain or accept those fictitious beliefs.

What your justification also ignores is the inherent dehumanisation in our national mythology.

Using as an example an episode that you keep raising, that of Cook 'discovering' Australia, most of what we've been taught has been historically accurate. Sure the 'discovery' part was propaganda or cultural bias but for the most part the scientists on those voyages did a pretty good job of reporting what happened. I'd include Cook himself in that.

So what is so offensive to social conservatives now in adding to that story the aspects that weren't recorded or taught since that time?

 

[tandino]

From what know about the national curriculum, Australia's pre-1770 past is extensively covered, and thus Cook's discoveries are given the appropriate context.

It would appear that Goodes' views on this area are out of date, if anything else.

 

[Borry]

To be fair Australians do a lot of sugar coating and sweeping negative aspects of the history under the carpet of the nation and colonies before that when it comes to discussing history. You only need to look at how Australia's involvement in wars to see that let alone the poor treatment of the indigenous.


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[SugarCoat]

Does Goodes have any suitable education to back up his 'intellectual' approach?
I was taught at school that Dutch explorers such as Janszoon, Abel Tasman & Dirk Hartog were some of the first to discover Australia.
Eventually the land we know as Australia was referred to as New Holland because of this.
Then Cook discovered it and eventually the English settled here.
All these claims by Goodes prove is he is a poorly educated person.

 

[JeffDunne]

Does Goodes have any suitable education to back up his 'intellectual' approach?
I was taught at school that Dutch explorers such as Janszoon, Abel Tasman & Dirk Hartog were some of the first to discover Australia.
Eventually the land we know as Australia was referred to as New Holland because of this.
Then Cook discovered it and eventually the English settled here.

Again, historically accurate in terms of their voyages but dehumanising of the people already here.

Despite what our national anthem says, we are not a 'young' country (& I'd argue not free).

We are a country that has a history spanning thousands of years.

Until we own that, our history is not 'ours'. That's the point people like Goodes are trying to make.