AFL Evolution player ratings discussion thread

[GOTHELIONS16]

Bellchambers +1 imo

Thanks JT. I put Grundy up to 86. With Bellchambers though I left him at 78 but put Witts down to 77.

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

Is everyone happy with the ruckman list. Next its Key Forwards or Wingmen. Your choice!

 

[bradburygold]

Grundy should be at least equal with Sandilands.

Sandi is a multiple AA...grundy must be in for a huge year 86 is bordering AA

 

[JT_the_Man]

Sandi is a multiple AA...grundy must be in for a huge year 86 is bordering AA

Sandilands is past his prime. Grundy is the best young ruckman in the game.

 

[dylan93]

AFL Evolution- Melbourne Player Ratings
Who is Melbourne's best player. Dee fans? Is 85 fair for Gawn or not?
Melbourne

Bernie Vince- 87

Jordan Lewis- 87

Jack Viney- 86

Nathan Jones- 86

Tom McDonald- 86

Jesse Hogan- 85

Max Gawn- 85

Jack Watts- 82

Michael Hibberd- 81

Jeff Garlett- 80

Thomas Bugg- 79

Colin Garland- 78

Jack Trengove- 78

Angus Brayshaw- 78

Christian Petracca- 78

Dom Tyson- 77

Sam Frost- 76

Neville Jetta- 76

Jake Spencer- 76

Christian Salem- 75

Cameron Pederson- 74

Oscar McDonald- 73

Jake Melksham- 72

James Harmes- 72

Ben Kennedy- 71

Aaron Vandenberg- 70

Billy Stretch- 70

Dean Kent- 69

Clayton Oliver- 69

Sam Weideman- 69

Jayden Hunt- 68

Jay Kennedy –Harris- 67

Josh Wagner- 65

Mitchell King- 64

Alex Neal-Bullen- 64

Liam Hulett- 62

Mitch White- 60

Dion Johnstone- 60

Joel Smith- 59

Corey Maynard- 58

Mitch Hanan- 58

Too High: Garland (bloke won't make our 22 ever again barring a horrific run of injuries), Trengove (down around the 70 mark would be fair), Tyson and Jetta (early to mid 80s), Spencer (seen about 16 players below him that would get a game before he is considered).

Too Low: Viney (second best player), Gawn (should be our best and about 90), Stretch, Kent, Oliver and Hunt (all 4 are best 22 players and are ridiculously low). Hannan and J. Smith should also be higher.

Realised your missing Filipovic, T. Smith and Keilty too.

 

[bradburygold]

Sandilands is past his prime. Grundy is the best young ruckman in the game.

Best young any position doesnt make them 86 nor have we seen any evidence of sandy past his best as he's been injured, wouldnt be surprised if grundy plays to an 86 this year tho

 

[bradburygold]

Too High: Garland (bloke won't make our 22 ever again barring a horrific run of injuries), Trengove (down around the 70 mark would be fair), Tyson and Jetta (early to mid 80s), Spencer (seen about 16 players below him that would get a game before he is considered).

Too Low: Viney (second best player), Gawn (should be our best and about 90), Stretch, Kent, Oliver and Hunt (all 4 are best 22 players and are ridiculously low). Hannan and J. Smith should also be higher.

Realised your missing Filipovic, T. Smith and Keilty too.

Agree re viney, he is far better than Lewis

 

[fullbull]

Who would everyone have as their top 5 overall and at what rating? Mine would be:

Dangerfield - 96
Fyfe - 95
Buddy - 95
Ablett -93
Josh Kennedy (Syd) - 92

I might be a touch biased, but how does Buddy keep getting rated ahead of Josh Kennedy? He's won the last 2 Coleman Medals and been the dominant forward of the AFL over that period!

 

[kangle4]

I might be a touch biased, but how does Buddy keep getting rated ahead of Josh Kennedy? He's won the last 2 Coleman Medals and been the dominant forward of the AFL over that period!

I don't think you can compare the two purely as key forwards.

As a pure goal kicking forward Kennedy has been better but Buddy is a more complete player, he regularly plays up the field and on the ball where as Kennedy is a stay at home forward.

 

[fullbull]

AFL Evolution- West Coast Player Ratings
Is Nic Natanui the best ruckman in the competition? Is Jeremy McGovern too low? Should Petrie be rated so high? Is Jetta's rating fair considering his bad form?

West Coast

Nic Natanui- 90 88

Josh Kennedy- 90 92

Sam Mitchell- 89

Matt Priddis- 87

Luke Shuey- 86 85

Andrew Gaff- 84 86

Jeremy McGovern- 84 86

Shannon Hurn- 83

Lewis Jetta- 81 79

Chris Masten- 80 75

Jack Darling- 80 81

Eric Mackenzie- 79

Elliot Yeo- 79

Sharrod Wellingham- 79

Scott Lycett- 79

Josh Hill- 78

Drew Petrie- 78

Mark LeCras- 78
Dom Sheed- 77 80

Jack Redden- 77 79
Jonathan Giles- 76

Nathan Vardy- 75 (swap with Barrass)

Will Schofield- 75

Sam Butler- 74

Jamie Cripps- 74

Brad Sheppard- 73 78 (73 is way too low for Shep, one of our best over the last 2 years)

Mark Hutchings- 72

Tom Barrass- 70 (swap him with Nathan Vardy - he's getting games ahead of Mackenzie now remember)

Liam Duggan- 69

Tom Lamb- 69

Jackson Nelson- 67

Fraser McInnes- 67

Simon Tunbridge- 67

Malcom Karpany- 65

Daniel Venables- 64

Thomas Cole- 63

Luke Partington – 63

Joshua Rotham- 62

Kurt Mutimer- 62

Matthew Allen- 61

Jordan Snadden- 60

Jake Waterman- 60

Paddy Brophy- 59

 

[fullbull]

I don't think you can compare the two purely as key forwards.

As a pure goal kicking forward Kennedy has been better but Buddy is a more complete player, he regularly plays up the field and on the ball where as Kennedy is a stay at home forward.

Based on the last 2 years, and remember ratings are fluid and can change frequently, you'd have to have Kennedy rated higher than Buddy though. Even the actual AFL players voted Kennedy the top forward in the game. I'm not saying he's necessarily a better player overall, but right now he should be rated higher.

 

[FearTheBeard13]

Based on the last 2 years, and remember ratings are fluid and can change frequently, you'd have to have Kennedy rated higher than Buddy though. Even the actual AFL players voted Kennedy the top forward in the game. I'm not saying he's necessarily a better player overall, but right now he should be rated higher.

Thats as an overall forward though? Buddy is a better complete player. Kennedy is the best stay at home full forward but he doesnt do what Buddy does in the sense of pushing up the ground, winning his own footy etc and winning the Coleman in an era where the highest goals per season are about 75-85 isnt that impressive when you consider Buddy kicked 113 in 2008 including finals.

 

[bradburygold]

Based on the last 2 years, and remember ratings are fluid and can change frequently, you'd have to have Kennedy rated higher than Buddy though. Even the actual AFL players voted Kennedy the top forward in the game. I'm not saying he's necessarily a better player overall, but right now he should be rated higher.

firstly, players watch very little footy, second as the above poster mentioned buddy contributes much more outside of goals.


hard to argue on those stats they arent at least equal.

I'd have Kennedy rated higher in the game mind you

 

[fullbull]

firstly, players watch very little footy, second as the above poster mentioned buddy contributes much more outside of goals.
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hard to argue on those stats they arent at least equal.

I'd have Kennedy rated higher in the game mind you

I'd take equal for sure. But I think it's unfair to have Buddy 2-3 points higher which is what a lot of people seem to be suggesting.

 

[FearTheBeard13]

I'd take equal for sure. But I think it's unfair to have Buddy 2-3 points higher which is what a lot of people seem to be suggesting.

You mean as Forwards? Or in total Buddy shouldnt be 2-3 points higher? He deserves to be, what other key forward gets top-10 in Brownlow voting? Hes better, plain and simple. My opinion.

 

[fullbull]

Thats as an overall forward though? Buddy is a better complete player. Kennedy is the best stay at home full forward but he doesnt do what Buddy does in the sense of pushing up the ground, winning his own footy etc and winning the Coleman in an era where the highest goals per season are about 75-85 isnt that impressive when you consider Buddy kicked 113 in 2008 including finals.

How much of an impact does that have on how you'd rate the players though? You still have to categorise them as key forwards at the end of the day, despite the fact Buddy plays up the ground a bit.

Here's some of the key statistics as per the post above:

Disposals - Franklin (17.6 to 13)
Goals - Kennedy (3.6 to 3.1)
Marks - Kennedy (6.4 to 6)
Tackles - Kennedy (3 to 2.6)
Inside 50s - Franklin (4.5 to 2)
Goal Assists - Franklin (0.7 to 0.6)

They're probably the main stats worth considering, and to be honest there's not a significant enough difference to say Buddy deserves to be rated higher IMO. I'm happy with them being even, but if Buddy is rated 92 then so should Kennedy.

 

[kangle4]

They can't be compared as the same type of player. Kennedy is the best pure forward but Buddy is a better all round player.

 

[bradburygold]

You mean as Forwards? Or in total Buddy shouldnt be 2-3 points higher? He deserves to be, what other key forward gets top-10 in Brownlow voting? Hes better, plain and simple. My opinion.

Riewoldt (nick) had more brownlow votes than both with 1 less game and a worse mid giving him the ball. Oh and both josh kennedy and buddy had 17 votes so think they are pretty even by your arguments

 

[fullbull]

You mean as Forwards? Or in total Buddy shouldnt be 2-3 points higher? He deserves to be, what other key forward gets top-10 in Brownlow voting? Hes better, plain and simple. My opinion.

No, shouldn't be rated higher at all. Ratings are generally weighted on more recent seasons - Buddy had a write off in 2015 which will negatively affect his ratings, whereas Kennedy won a Coleman. Yes he's a better player overall and has had a better career, but right now would you rate him higher? I think it's a massive stretch to have him rated higher.

 

[kangle4]

Their individual stats will determine their overall and I think Franklin will rate higher then Kennedy in lot more attributes than vice versa.

 

[fullbull]

They can't be compared as the same type of player. Kennedy is the best pure forward but Buddy is a better all round player.

Unfortunately it's likely they will both be key forwards, and I doubt there will be sub-categories from there, so they will be judged within that bracket. I agree with what you've said though, Buddy is more flexible whereas Kennedy is a better lead-up forward from the square.

 

[kangle4]

Unfortunately it's likely they will both be key forwards, and I doubt there will be sub-categories from there, so they will be judged within that bracket. I agree with what you've said though, Buddy is more flexible whereas Kennedy is a better lead-up forward from the square.

You're correct that they will both be set as key forwards which makes it hard because Buddy plays midfield as well but not enough to be classed as a FWD/MID.

 

[FearTheBeard13]

I think kangle4 gets my point. Buddy is a better overall player if you ask me. Kennedy no doubt is the better pure forward, but across the board I think Buddy does just about everything better minus lead-up marking and set shots for goals.

 

[fullbull]

I think kangle4 gets my point. Buddy is a better overall player if you ask me. Kennedy no doubt is the better pure forward, but across the board I think Buddy does just about everything better minus lead-up marking and set shots for goals.

I certainly don't disagree that he's the better overall player. However, it's pretty evident that recent form counts for a huge amount of ratings, would you not agree? Would Max Gawn be 89 and top ranked ruckman before the 2016 season? Would Danger be a 94 and top ranked player in the game before the 2016 season? Would Fyfe be a 93 (roughly) if not for his stellar 2015 season? If form makes up a significant part of the ratings system, then you'd have to take into account that Franklin's 2015 would mark him down in points. Likewise Kennedy's 2 best seasons of his career have been 2015 and 2016. I'm not saying he's Franklin's equal overall, but I do think they should be around the same rating right now.

 

[GOTHELIONS16]

Is everyone happy with the ruckman list. Next its Key Forwards or Wingmen. Your choice!

Too High: Garland (bloke won't make our 22 ever again barring a horrific run of injuries), Trengove (down around the 70 mark would be fair), Tyson and Jetta (early to mid 80s), Spencer (seen about 16 players below him that would get a game before he is considered).

Too Low: Viney (second best player), Gawn (should be our best and about 90), Stretch, Kent, Oliver and Hunt (all 4 are best 22 players and are ridiculously low). Hannan and J. Smith should also be higher.

Realised your missing Filipovic, T. Smith and Keilty too.

So your telling me that Stretch, Kent, Oliver and Hunt are better than some of the demons rated above them? I will boost Jetta up to 80 and Tyson up too. Spencer is the second ruckman, if gawn gets injured he's in? Garland may not get a game but that hasn't happened yet his rating demonstrates that he is gradually declining as his bad form continues. I wil add Filipovic, Smith and Keilty. What are there positions? Thanks