AFL players and the SANFL

[adelaidecrows]

I am a firm believer that the current player arrangement of AFL listed players spread out in the SANFL competition is no longer benifiting Adelaide and the Port Adelaide Football Club's.

The main reason is that it is because they act independant of the AFL club's, SANFL teams can do what ever they want with them at what can be the detriment of the players development.

It would be better for the AFL clubs to have reserve sides so they can professionally control a players development. Having to pick players out of the SANFL reserves is a joke for an AFL game.

I dont see why we have it in the modern professional era considering SANFL coaches dont want it now because it disrupts team balance, AFL coaches dont want it because players play in wrong positions to the ones they want them to play.

Time to move on.

 

[Dujon11]

I am a firm believer that the current player arrangement of AFL listed players spread out in the SANFL competition is no longer benifiting Adelaide and the Port Adelaide Football Club's.

The main reason is that it is because they act independant of the AFL club's, SANFL teams can do what ever they want with them at what can be the detriment of the players development.

It would be better for the AFL clubs to have reserve sides so they can professionally control a players development. Having to pick players out of the SANFL reserves is a joke for an AFL game.

I dont see why we have it in the modern professional era considering SANFL coaches dont want it now because it disrupts team balance, AFL coaches dont want it because players play in wrong positions to the ones they want them to play.

Time to move on.

Again seriously? This thread has been done to death.

Not enough players on our list to field 2 teams including injuries.

SANFL system has worked well for 20 years, no need to change.

 

[sbenno]

It's imperfect, but it's the best system we have. I, for one, would leave things as they are.

 

[brucetiki]

I am a firm believer that the current player arrangement of AFL listed players spread out in the SANFL competition is no longer benifiting Adelaide and the Port Adelaide Football Club's.

The main reason is that it is because they act independant of the AFL club's, SANFL teams can do what ever they want with them at what can be the detriment of the players development.

It would be better for the AFL clubs to have reserve sides so they can professionally control a players development. Having to pick players out of the SANFL reserves is a joke for an AFL game.

I dont see why we have it in the modern professional era considering SANFL coaches dont want it now because it disrupts team balance, AFL coaches dont want it because players play in wrong positions to the ones they want them to play.

Time to move on.

Clearly one from the 'Football only existed after 1991' school.

There are several reasons why fielding Crows and Port reserves side won't work - as Dujon11 said there isn't enough players for starters. Also, no other AFL side has a full reserves squad (West Coast/Freo have a similar set up to us, the other sides have a feeder team topped up with non-AFL playing players).

Then of course is the compromise to the SANFL competition if this went ahead. What people like the OP don't realise is that the SANFL competition has been around for 130 years, and it would be an insult to the SANFL clubs if the Crows and Power fielded reserves sides in the SANFL. Not only would the league be significantly weaker, the other clubs would lose some support/members from people abandoning their SANFL club to support a Crows/Power reserves side. In the past 20 years alone we've seen a merger and three other clubs on the brink of folding. A Crows and Power reserves side could send some clubs to financial ruin, destroying what is a fantastic and popular competition in the SANFL.

Also, the Power tried to turn the Magpies into a Power reserves side and the suggestion was laughed out.

No chance of reserves sides for the Crows and Power anytime soon.

 

[sbenno]

Also, what makes you think that if the Crows didhave a reserves side, that players wouldn't be played out of position? We have doubled up on a few different positions, and there would be some playing out of position anyway, so having a Crows reserves side would not solve the "playing out of position" problem anyway.

 

[jo172]

Also, what makes you think that if the Crows didhave a reserves side, that players wouldn't be played out of position? We have doubled up on a few different positions, and there would be some playing out of position anyway, so having a Crows reserves side would not solve the "playing out of position" problem anyway.

Precisely, indeed fitting Sellar, Moran, Young, McKernan, Gunston, Shaw, Davis, Thompson L, Talia, Craig, Hentshel and Henderson as all relatively tall players on the same field might be worse than having them evenly distributed through the SANFL!

 

[Tarasque36]

As a victorian, I'd love to see AFL reserves return. At first I thought it better to have Crows and Port Ad 'reserves' sides in SANFL, but I get the point posted above and will drop that idea from my head.

Have you realised that Geelong have had a 'reserves' VFL side for years? Coincidence? Now Collingwood do! Coincidence? Other vic sides use one VFL club and have a tighter link as how to use them.The link between Hawthorn and Box Hill is almost legendary!! So theres the last 2 premiers and the current ladder leader.

It almost is a reserves system..almost! Knights coached Bendigo Bombers before getting Ess top job. They can fast track players as they wish. Isn't the call from some people on here to blood the youngsters for the rest of the year?Do the SANFL sides help with that? Like the VFL sides would, to get extra game time before AFL games?

Top up players are easy enough to find, it used to be done. It could also increase the years of some older champions, if they would play on to captain/maybe coach reserves to teach the young kids. Would Massie, Shirley etc, play on for that team? Would Goody cap/coach it next year? Or Burton?

Its an advantage, and I've been surprised that the Crows board havent tried to push for something like that.

 

[Pariah]

If we were to have a reserves team I would like it to be in a proper reserves competition like the one the AFL used to have. Since that won't competition return any time soon maybe we she put a reserves team in the VFL and get our kids accustomed to traveling before they play senior footy for us. It would have the added bonus of developing players in the positions we want them to play in.

 

[Huntercrow]

As a victorian, I'd love to see AFL reserves return. At first I thought it better to have Crows and Port Ad 'reserves' sides in SANFL, but I get the point posted above and will drop that idea from my head.

Have you realised that Geelong have had a 'reserves' VFL side for years? Coincidence? Now Collingwood do! Coincidence? Other vic sides use one VFL club and have a tighter link as how to use them.The link between Hawthorn and Box Hill is almost legendary!! So theres the last 2 premiers and the current ladder leader.

It almost is a reserves system..almost! Knights coached Bendigo Bombers before getting Ess top job. They can fast track players as they wish. Isn't the call from some people on here to blood the youngsters for the rest of the year?Do the SANFL sides help with that? Like the VFL sides would, to get extra game time before AFL games?

Top up players are easy enough to find, it used to be done. It could also increase the years of some older champions, if they would play on to captain/maybe coach reserves to teach the young kids. Would Massie, Shirley etc, play on for that team? Would Goody cap/coach it next year? Or Burton?

Its an advantage, and I've been surprised that the Crows board havent tried to push for something like that.

Very Good post but unfortunately the SANFL clubs live in the glory days and would never give away anything to either AFL franchise that would weaken their own status.
The trend in the AFL is to have reserve teams and the better performing teams all have them.
In time I believe the SANFL will be forced to change the system when one or both "Cash Cows" start to lose ground to the rest of the AFL, but the problem is they won't see it coming because of their pigheadedness and then it might be too late.

Until then we must suffer the current system.

 

[Magma]

AFL listed players playing SANFL reserves should not be on an AFL list anyways.

However, this whole need a reserves side thing makes no sense. I watch SANFL because it is a competition seperate from the AFL. I don't want it turning into AFL-lite. It's a fantastic competition as it is, and while there are AFL listed players divied out between the clubs, it's only an addition of 1-2 per club each year, with more AFL quality players going to the lower clubs, where it is presumed they will get more game time and experience.

It's fine how it is and I would hate to see it change.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Also, what makes you think that if the Crows didhave a reserves side, that players wouldn't be played out of position?

Good point.

Our head coach plays them out of position in the AFL, why would our reserves coach be any different?

 

[adelaidecrows]

Ok some of you have said that some players would still be played out of position regardless, and while that is true I can garuntee that they would play at least some time in the positions required.

My idea of reserves sides would benifit the SANFL.

My ideas are

• Port Adelaide Magpies becomes Port Adelaides reserve side - port will struggle to survive on their own otherwise, in fact rumour has it they may be out as soon as next season
• Adelaide and Port Adelaides reserves sides in the SANFL do not have members and are fully paid for by the AFL clubs - this protects SANFL clubs that would be worried about losing memberships
• The reserves sides can only be made up of AFL listed players and players under 24, these non AFL listed footballers can not be full time footballers, Plus players can only be on the reserves list for a maximum of 3 years and at no stage be allowed back unless they are drafted.
• The reserves sides play curtain raises before the AFL matches

My Ideas would bring a higher standard of footy to SANFL as the players who go into the system and train with the AFL clubs would then distribute back through the SANFL system once their time is up.

Having the age and training restrictions would impede the reserves sides enough that winning an SANFL premiership would near on be impossible as these reserves sides would only be competitive at best. This would allow the SANFL clubs to fight for the premiership as usual and the purists can remain happy.

The main goal is the ability for the AFL clubs to control the destiny of their youngsters in a professional manor. It would also create a perfect opportunity of giving alot of players struggling for exposure a ghood opportunity to play a higher level of footy and perhaps create better recruiting chances for the AFL clubs.

 

[brucetiki]

Ok some of you have said that some players would still be played out of position regardless, and while that is true I can garuntee that they would play at least some time in the positions required.

My idea of reserves sides would benifit the SANFL.

My ideas are

• Port Adelaide Magpies becomes Port Adelaides reserve side - port will struggle to survive on their own otherwise, in fact rumour has it they may be out as soon as next season
• Adelaide and Port Adelaides reserves sides in the SANFL do not have members and are fully paid for by the AFL clubs - this protects SANFL clubs that would be worried about losing memberships
• The reserves sides can only be made up of AFL listed players and players under 24, these non AFL listed footballers can not be full time footballers, Plus players can only be on the reserves list for a maximum of 3 years and at no stage be allowed back unless they are drafted.
• The reserves sides play curtain raises before the AFL matches

My Ideas would bring a higher standard of footy to SANFL as the players who go into the system and train with the AFL clubs would then distribute back through the SANFL system once their time is up.

Having the age and training restrictions would impede the reserves sides enough that winning an SANFL premiership would near on be impossible as these reserves sides would only be competitive at best. This would allow the SANFL clubs to fight for the premiership as usual and the purists can remain happy.

The main goal is the ability for the AFL clubs to control the destiny of their youngsters in a professional manor. It would also create a perfect opportunity of giving alot of players struggling for exposure a ghood opportunity to play a higher level of footy and perhaps create better recruiting chances for the AFL clubs.

You might want to do some research into the Power's attempts to make the Magpies their reserves side - the concept was so flatly rejected they didn't even officially put it on the table, and the proposed merger concept (that didn't involve turning the Magpies into a Power reserves side) was still voted against 0-8! Also, as you've clearly been living under a rock the past few months, you might want to read the following article - the Port Magpies will definately be in the SANFL next season and are actually on track to post a small profit this year: http://portside-messenger.whereilive.com.au/news/story/magpies-back-from-the-brink/

Also, how would not having Members for the reserves side protect the other SANFL clubs from losing members? Some people would simply drop all support for the SANFL side they go for and just support the reserves side. This will mean a drop of revenue for SANFL clubs, which may send some clubs broke. It will also mean people will be spending less money in the SANFL because instead of investing money in a Membership, they are spending it elsewhere as they won't have a Membership for any SANFL side based of your ridiculous idea.

By restricting 2 out your proposed 10 sides (20% of the competition) to make them uncompetitive severely compromises the quality of the SANFL brand - which is the best state-based competition in the country. It will not make the purists happy because they want their side to win a premiership where every side is out there to win in - not with 8 sides out there to win it and 2 out there purely to develop AFL sides.

I suggest you do some more research into the SANFL competition and why there won't be AFL reserves sides in there.

 

[Magma]

I don't want to go to AAMI to watch my SANFL team. Local footy is called so for a reason. Each week I get an alternative to AFL, and I want to be able to enjoy it without thinking that it's another version of AFL. I love the gritty feel of going to a game that doesn't have 50,000 screaming fans, but only a few thousand die hard passionate fans who certainly make it an atmosphere worth being involved in.