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AFL Team Manager Rules - OLD

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Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Shipping off selection checking responsibilities (subs and otherwise) to opposition coaches seems like a good idea. Or is it better if it's a coach you're not playing on that week? Sort of another fixture where everyone checks each everyone else's side once a year

Putting that together with the substitution issue, maybe we scrap the bench completely and give you up to 10 (maybe) substitution instructions in order. Something like player X replaces any of A, B and C. Player X could already be in the 18, then I'd be looking for the first rule that covered player X.

The checker has until 27 hours after the start of the last game (usually 7:30 Monday) to find any problems with your team or substitution instructions, I can veto those complaints and add only for naming suspended or obviously injured players.

If you put down 10 instructions and they don't come up with replacements for everyone who needs replacing, your automatic 11th instruction is the highest averaging player for the season until all spots are full or you run out of players.

Thoughts?
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Or you could name your emergs in order of replacing any player, maybe with the only stipulation being up the spine and the ruck must be a tall, other than that in order of how you named them
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Im all for trading Rookies.....But aslong as when they are traded they take a spot automatically on that clubs senior list.

And another thing on Rookies.......Cant remember exactly whats in place at the moment but i know we have to bid to keep any rookies we want to keep on our list is there a rule in place at the moment where if theres any rookies we want to upgrade straight to senior list without the risk of losing them to another club? If there isnt a rule for that should be introduced aswell :)
 

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Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Glad you both agree....Should definately be introduced.....Like when the bidding/trading thread is posted we should have a certain amount of time to promote rookies to our list and then after that they are open to anyone...And if we trade a rookie to another side they sould automatically become part of their new sides senior list rather then being traded and kept as a rookie.

That probably doesnt make sense but thatll do :)
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

peterss said:
Glad you both agree....Should definately be introduced.....Like when the bidding/trading thread is posted we should have a certain amount of time to promote rookies to our list and then after that they are open to anyone...And if we trade a rookie to another side they sould automatically become part of their new sides senior list rather then being traded and kept as a rookie.

That probably doesnt make sense but thatll do :)
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Agree on all points
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

We did that too


Rookies can be promoted to the senior list on a contract of either:
  • 1 year, 1% of the cap
  • 2 years, 1.2% of the cap
  • 3 years, 3% of the cap
  • 4 years, 4.5% of the cap
  • 5 years, 6.5% of the cap
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Those numbers translate (for 2010) to $80k, $96k, $240k, $360k, $520k

or if you don't want to pay that you can still go through the bidding process.
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Extending Contracts of Non-First Year Contracted Players
Each year, each club can extend the contract of one of their contracted players who has completed 3 or 4 years of that contract. The new salary will be the greater of the current salary and 6.5% of the salary cap.
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What are the thoughts on getting this one possibly changed to 2/3 instead of 3/4?

Reasons:
- To have to see out 3 years, plus be contracted at the point of inception of this rule, means essentially the player would have had to have been on a minimum 4 year deal to begin with (not many were pre the new bidding system last year)

- With all the list changes of previous years, i rekon we'd be hard pressed for this rule to take effect anytime in the next 2 seasons at least (remembering that as it stands, it's not 'has been on a list for 3/4 years', but 'has seen out 3/4 years of the current deal').

I'm fine either way tbh, but just thought i'd bring this one up.


Also, what are the chances of getting that general UC player retention discount bumped up to 20%? or even 15%?
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Hey Russian how we looking? Do you need any help with getting this up and going. Also just a thought maybe we should do a role call for coaches, that way when we are ready to go, we are ready to go.
 

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Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

A few questions:

The rules thread says that veterans cannot be un-veteranised and will remain on the veteran's list until traded or delisted. Then further down the post it says they cannot be traded or delisted. Can I remove an uncontracted veteran from my list?

Does a player's price drop/rise to 2.5% of the cap if they are placed on the stalwart list, regardless of their current price? That is the impression I got, would just like confirmation.

The AFL no longer uses the rules that:
  1. Rookies cannot be traded (see Sydney trade for Mumford), and
  2. All acquired draft picks must be used (see St. Kilda trade for King).
Can we remove or amend them? Or have a vote on it?

Cheers.
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Virgil said:
A few questions:

The rules thread says that veterans cannot be un-veteranised and will remain on the veteran's list until traded or delisted. Then further down the post it says they cannot be traded or delisted. Can I remove an uncontracted veteran from my list?
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Yes you can trade/delist someone you put on the vets list last year. What you can't do is stop people bidding on him by putting him on the veterans list now, then trade him so you can save more money with somebody else, or delist him and pay out his $0 contract.

Virgil said:
Does a player's price drop/rise to 2.5% of the cap if they are placed on the stalwart list, regardless of their current price? That is the impression I got, would just like confirmation.
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Yes


Virgil said:
The AFL no longer uses the rules that:
  1. Rookies cannot be traded (see Sydney trade for Mumford), and
  2. All acquired draft picks must be used (see St. Kilda trade for King).
Can we remove or amend them? Or have a vote on it?
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1 is changed, I don't see any reason to change 2 but I'm open to discussion on that one.
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Better write this down before I forget

Proposals for 2010/11 off season:
The bidding process was introduced so the market would set the price, not me. Now with all coaches having worked out that trading is good for cutting prices, it's almost back to me setting the prices again. So for next year:

Week 1: Own list management. No trading, no bidding on opponents.
Weeks 2-3: Opposition Bidding starts, all these bids are inactive for this period, bids on your own players remain as inactive by default but can be activated.
At the end of those two weeks, the leading bid becomes the active one and the 72 hourses start, therefore nobody loses any players without the opportunity to arrange a trade. If that gives you more than 2 that's fine, but you can't start another one until you have less than 2. Trading starts.

That would also mean the must have a contracted player in a trade rule could go and would probably avoid any changes to the uncontracted player formula. I think the contracted player one works ok.

Discuss
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

I think the contracted player system works fine, but the uncontracted player prices were pretty easily exploited as you point out.

Perhaps there could be separate bidding and trading prices on uncontracted players? So with an uncontracted player next season they might have a starting bidding price of 100k and a trading price of 300k. That way the market can still determine the price if the original team intends to keep the player, but if the player is traded then the higher of the two prices must be met.
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Yeah good points! I like them.

I've always been an advocate of increasing the discount. I pointed it out earlier, but 10% isn't enough to get a club to consider keeping a player.
20% would be more ideal, or even 25%. The % itself is up for debate.

I mentioned it before, with last seasons case. Hodge and Bartel went for 900k and they would have gone for more if they wern't then traded. We haven't got to 900k this year, but we could get close. Clubs who save up cash for good bids will not be turned off the slightest when it comes to bidding for quality players, if the only card the current club can play is 10% off.

As my own example to use numbers, if it was 20% i would have aimed to hang onto LeCras as even if he went up to 500k in a bid, I'd be able to keep him for 400k which is great incentive. If 600k, then i could keep him at 480k.
 

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Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Trading prices should just be the same as contracted player ones ie: Price goes up when you sign them onto longer terms deals. It's ridiculous how you can sign Dangerfield (for example) to 5 yrs on 105k.

Bidding before trading also sounds interesting, I'm all for trying things out as we won't know what works best without giving it a test run first.
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

andrew_embley said:
As my own example to use numbers, if it was 20% i would have aimed to hang onto LeCras as even if he went up to 500k in a bid, I'd be able to keep him for 400k which is great incentive. If 600k, then i could keep him at 480k.
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I understand that you have built a good list, but I could play 100's of other fantasy football games if the aim was to build a list and keep them. Thats what the cap is for, to make it challenging to stay on top. 10% is plenty, the maximum it should ever be
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

The Maestro said:
Trading prices should just be the same as contracted player ones ie: Price goes up when you sign them onto longer terms deals. It's ridiculous how you can sign Dangerfield (for example) to 5 yrs on 105k.

Bidding before trading also sounds interesting, I'm all for trying things out as we won't know what works best without giving it a test run first.
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Absolutely agree Maestro. And I also believe that rookie players (eg. Luke Shuey) not be able to have their contracts extended in trades to 5 years at such low prices. These figures should rise as well. If you think a player who is yet to play a game will be a star, big enough star to give a 5 year deal, you dont pay him a pittance
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Marklar_33 said:
I understand that you have built a good list, but I could play 100's of other fantasy football games if the aim was to build a list and keep them. Thats what the cap is for, to make it challenging to stay on top. 10% is plenty, the maximum it should ever be
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10% is a substantial bonus to holding onto your own players, I think it's a great idea. With my bid on Brent Stanton (the highest bid this year), sante will receive an 80k reprieve, which is pretty big (nearly the price of a first round selection). If the bonus went to 20-25%, out-bidding opposition players would be nearly impossible.
 
Re: AFL Team Manager Rules (updated January 09)

Definitely 10% is enough. The whole beauty of this game is the possibility of losing uncontracted players and list management skills.
 

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