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Andre said:
**** me, anyone can find some point where some of their ancestors would have been oppressed by some other group, if you want to go looking hard or far enough back. Personally those Romans ... I mean what have they ever done for us?
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I know this is really not what this thread is supposed to be about, but this here is really not a reasonable argument.

There is an enormous difference between “some point in history” and oppression that has lead to institutionalised racism that still exists. I’m not saying this is the case in Ireland, as I simply don’t know what it’s like there.

The core issue is that you don’t get to decide whether someone else should forgive and forget, or tell them what their feelings should be. Their perspective is different from yours, and they feel that way for a reason whether or not you agree with it. And quite frankly you can almost never fully understand someone else’s situation, and risk severely underestimating it - as an aside this is what the much hated concept of “privilege” boils down to in some ways: Because you don’t have to deal with what someone “less privileged” than yourself does, you have to be wary of commenting on it. It’s not about feeling guilty about being “better off” at all, you didn’t choose how you were born, and in reality your life may be shit regardless. It is just about being aware and mindful of it, so that you can learn more about it from them, and avoid causing unintended harm to someone (who might never even tell you about it).

Anyway an unrelated and IMO very practical piece of advice for all interactions is just don’t tell anyone else their feelings are wrong, as it’s never productive. E.g telling someone they are wrong for feeling angry when they are pissed off about a misunderstanding, it might seem as though they are wrong but by acknowledging their anger you are much more likely to resolve the situation. You also avoid the situation where you are the one misunderstanding, tell someone their feelings are wrong, and damage your relationship with them, or damage them if they believe you they are wrong.

I know this is getting ridiculously off tangent but one more thing as it’s really important even if obvious.

Telling a child, or someone who is low self esteem they are wrong to be angry/sad/whatever when they actually should feel that way is very harmful as they will potentially believe you, and feel guilty about their feelings which is a really awful internal struggle to deal with.

TLDR; Questioning someone’s emotions is a great way to piss them off, but a terrible way to make friends.
 
On topic.

I’d like to see us wear a short sleeved kit for AFL X, something along the lines of that awesome training get up.

Also I am genuinely interested to see how it plays out, even if it is a bit of a farce for AFL players to be involved, I suspect they could learn some different skills.
 
Peck said:
On topic.

I’d like to see us wear a short sleeved kit for AFL X, something along the lines of that awesome training get up.

Also I am genuinely interested to see how it plays out, even if it is a bit of a farce for AFL players to be involved, I suspect they could learn some different skills.
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I think it’ll be interesting to see if the game gets any traction at the social sport level. It could prove to be a good alternative to the usual sports (basketball, touch, futsal) just from a player numbers perspective.
 

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TeeKray said:
AFL 9s already sort of occupies this space.
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Yeah perhaps. People are suckers for the illusion of new though (not to mention X-marketing!) and it will get much more exposure than 9s due to the player involvement/sanctioned competition. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
Cam Hewett will be playing a lot of AFLX/Fast Footy next year.

http://sanfl.com.au/sanfl-speeds-fast-footy/
Port Adelaide will participate in the SANFL's new 'Fast Footy' competition taking place in February of next year. $20,000 prize money is up for grabs with the winner receiving $10,000, the runner up receiving $5,000 and third and fourth place both receiving $2,500.

The competition takes place on February 9 and 10 at Norwood Oval. The rules have been altered in a similar fashion to the new AFLX concept.

The rules are as followed;
- 12 players per side on the field
- The game ends when a team reaches 50 or after four 10 minute quarters
- Unlimited interchanges
- Late touch out of bounds
- Kick ins after every score
- Ball remains in play if it rebounds off the post
- 9 point super goals for goals outside 50m
- Free kicks inside the defensive 50m arc will give the opposition player a shot from 20m out directly in front
- Free kicks inside the forward 50m arc will give the opposition player a free kick at the centre of their defensive arc
- If it is a draw, a penalty shoot out from 30m directly in front of goal takes place to decide the game
 
Playing at soccer grounds, so why not introduce some soccer experiences.

AFLX likely to feature segregated fan zones
FANS will be encouraged to sit in segregated team zones for the upcoming AFLX tournaments.The League plans to unveil a number of new fan experiences at the three tournaments in February, with venues set to be divided up into club-specific areas.

AFL general manager of China, David Stevenson, who is also project managing the AFLX tournaments, told AFL.com.au the new format will give the League a chance to showcase a range of new initiatives.

"We're doing a lot of stuff on fan experience, so that will be really different from a normal game," he said. "This is unchartered territory, so we get a chance to do all the things that you wouldn't normally do at a normal game. With six teams, we're going to try and have set areas and bays for each of the clubs. They still get to be within their club but we'll have a great visual of colours in club areas."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-27/aflx-likely-to-feature-segregated-fan-zones

Lockhart Road were you aware the AFL had a GM of China??
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Playing at soccer grounds, so why not introduce some soccer experiences.

AFLX likely to feature segregated fan zones
FANS will be encouraged to sit in segregated team zones for the upcoming AFLX tournaments.The League plans to unveil a number of new fan experiences at the three tournaments in February, with venues set to be divided up into club-specific areas.

AFL general manager of China, David Stevenson, who is also project managing the AFLX tournaments, told AFL.com.au the new format will give the League a chance to showcase a range of new initiatives.

"We're doing a lot of stuff on fan experience, so that will be really different from a normal game," he said. "This is unchartered territory, so we get a chance to do all the things that you wouldn't normally do at a normal game. With six teams, we're going to try and have set areas and bays for each of the clubs. They still get to be within their club but we'll have a great visual of colours in club areas."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-27/aflx-likely-to-feature-segregated-fan-zones

Lockhart Road were you aware the AFL had a GM of China??
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Barrackers' Segregation is aesthetically beautiful! Just imagine an away showdown with all Port supporters concentrated at the Northern End...
 
Lockhart Road said:
Affirmative.
Stevenson is also AFL general manager of India per se.
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Interesting looks like he has only just been employed in the position by the AFL after doing the 2017 Shanghai game via his consultancy company Bold Works for the AFL, although his current position at the AFL says - Engaged through Bold Works so not sure if that makes his an AFL employee or still a cosultancy. From his linkedin page - where it looks like he is claiming a lot of credit for the China game and his Bold Works Consultancy firm website.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-stevenson-31642213/
http://www.boldworks.com.au/
David Stevenson
Partner at Bold Works & GM - China & India at the AFL through Bold Works
Australian Football League
Australian Institute of Company Directors

Delivered outstanding results as a CEO and Senior Executive focused on the Sports, Consumer Goods and Retail sectors with Nike, the AFL, Western Bulldogs & Foot Locker. 20+ years of Australian and International Leadership Experience with Iconic brands. Currently founder and director of Bold Works, a company that helps businesses develop their Bold future or execute Bold ideas. Lead the AFL, Port Adelaide and Gold Coast team who delivered the first AFL regular season match in China of any sporting code globally. Previously CEO of the Western Bulldogs Football Club where the club won the AFL premiership after 62 years, the VFL premiership and the women's team were unbeaten, and matched with record off field results in every measure. Previously 17 years of multiple senior executive roles with Nike in Australia and Internationally. Passionate about developing people, setting a Bold vision, developing a strong strategic plan and focusing on execution to deliver results.

Experience

  • GM - China & India
    Company NameAustralian Football League
    Dates EmployedDec 2017 – Present

    Employment Duration1 mo
    LocationMelbourne, Australia
    upload_2017-12-29_16-48-54.gif Leading, developing & executing the AFL's strategy, growth and expansion into China and the Chinese Community in Australia, as well as India and the Indian community in Australia. Leading a cross functional team focusing on building fans, securing broadcast penetration, growing participation, developing commercial partners and leading a regular season game in Shanghai in May, 2018. Engaged through Bold Works
  • Partner
    Company NameBold Works
    Dates Employed Sep 2016 – Present

    Employment Duration 1 yr 4 mos
    LocationMelbourne, Australia
    Bold Works. Bold Wins.
    A specialised consultancy committed to turning your BIG BOLD IDEA into Reality. Currently working with iconic multi national and Australian brands who have a BOLD vision and want to Win. Consumer's expectations increase by the hour and people want to work for companies who are ambitious and create an environment for them to be at their best. Bold Works can be imbedded into your organisation as one of the team and help you and your organisation achieve your BOLD vision.


  • GM China Project
    Company Name Australian Football League
    Dates Employed Sep 2016 – Nov 2017

    Employment Duration1 yr 3 mos
    LocationMelbourne, Australia
  • Leading a 25+ person project team to deliver a regular season game in Shanghai, China, in May 2017. This was the first ever regular season game to be played in China from any sporting code around the world. P&L responsibility and working closely with the leaders of the AFL, Port Adelaide and the Gold Coast Suns across the AFL industry. Partnering with the Federal, State and Local Government across Australia and China, Tourism Australia, sponsors and stakeholders.

  • CEO
    Company NameWestern Bulldogs
    Dates EmployedAug 2015 – Aug 2016

    Employment Duration1 yr 1 mo
    LocationMelbourne, Australia
  • Delivered record Profit, Revenue, Sponsorship, Membership, Attendances, Ratings, Digital reach and Staff engagement as a CEO in the largest and most iconic sporting code in Australia. Won the 2016 AFL premiership after 62 years, won the VFL premiership and the Women's team unbeaten under the "1 club, 3 teams" strategy. Signed significant sponsorships with Asics, EML, Worksafe, White King, Slater & Gordon and Melrose Skincare. Developed and implemented a 5 year strategic plan recognised as an industry benchmark. Led a full time team of 140 and a total team of 310 across an annual turnover of $44m. Worked closely across 4 different legal entities and boards working closely with stakeholders including the AFL, Community partners, Sponsors, State government, Local Government, Charities and Regional partners. Successfully obtained a AFL Women's license and developed a multi faceted partnership with White Ribbon
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RussellEbertHandball said:
Interesting looks like he has only just been employed in the position by the AFL after doing the 2017 Shanghai game via his consultancy company Bold Works for the AFL, although his current position at the AFL says - Engaged through Bold Works so not sure if that makes his an AFL employee or still a cosultancy. From his linkedin page - where it looks like he is claiming a lot of credit for the China game and his Bold Works Consultancy firm website.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-stevenson-31642213/
http://www.boldworks.com.au/
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He’s certainly talked himself up in his LinkedIn profile, but we all do that surprise surprise. He’s what up here we call a ‘sub-contractor’ to the AFL. Quite well thought of by the Club, especially in that he doesn’t get in the way and makes a positive contribution.
 
NoddyHolder said:
One of the great things about footy in relation to world sport is the ability for supporters of opposition teams to sit amongst each other without it ending in a riot. I find this initiative deeply sad
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Yep, except being stuck with Crows fans near during Showdowns, opposition fans nearby is a plus. Annoying if you're losing, but I'd still take that over segregation every match.
 
GremioPower said:
Barrackers' Segregation is aesthetically beautiful! Just imagine an away showdown with all Port supporters concentrated at the Northern End...
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I'd always considered segregation of fans to be stupid and just highlight the fact soccer fans can't function as normal humans.

But having returned to Australia I can see the merit in it completely. I ****ing hate being near opposition supporters and the only way I would ever go to an away Showdown, is the example you describe above.
 
NoddyHolder said:
One of the great things about footy in relation to world sport is the ability for supporters of opposition teams to sit amongst each other without it ending in a riot. I find this initiative deeply sad
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DaTBird187 said:
I'd always considered segregation of fans to be stupid and just highlight the fact soccer fans can't function as normal humans.

But having returned to Australia I can see the merit in it completely. I ******* hate being near opposition supporters and the only way I would ever go to an away Showdown, is the example you describe above.
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In the Gre-Nal derby, there is a common area, where it is mandatory for opposite barrackers to go together. It works well.

Unfortunately, the allocation of tickets for the whole of the stadium is still bad (9:1). When I was a kid, it was 3:1. Best atmosphere ever...

P.S.: Barrackers are not forbidden to be together before and after the match. Being segregated, it makes easier to coordinate the support during the game, and the stands gain beautiful colours. As I've said, it is all about the aesthetics.
 
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GremioPower said:
In the Gre-Nal derby, there is a common area, where it is mandatory for opposite barrackers to go together. It works well.

Unfortunately, the allocation of tickets for the whole of the stadium is still bad (9:1). When I was a kid, it was 3:1. Best atmosphere ever...

P.S.: Barrackers are not forbidden to be together before and after the match. Being segregated, it makes easier to coordinate the support during the game, and the stands gain beautiful colours. As I've said, it is all about the aesthetics.
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Do you sing songs all game like the Brits?
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Do you sing songs all game like the Brits?
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Nah. Argentine and Uruguayans do, but we are more driven by what happen on the field.

At the Arena (Grêmio's stadium), the supporters at the northern section (it is called 'General Stands' and it is standing-only) are usually singing non-stop. The rest of the stadium follows them occasionally.

Here is a video from the Libertadores semifinal:
 

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GremioPower said:
Nah. Argentine and Uruguayans do, but we are more driven by what happen on the field.

At the Arena (Grêmio's stadium), the supporters at the northern section (it is called 'General Stands' and it is standing-only) are usually singing non-stop. The rest of the stadium follows them occasionally.

Here is a video from the Libertadores semifinal:
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That first 10 or 15 seconds looks a bit like a big Port home game. The blue of Grêmio flags looked like the teal of Port flags.
 
blaargh said:
Well, if there is anything the world needs more of - it’s segregation.
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It is not necessarily bad. An orchestra is segregated by instrument, for instance. Sport competitions, another example, are usually segregated by handicap, be it weight, type of equipment, age, gender, body limitation, talent, etc.

It all depends on why and how the segregation is done.
 
NoddyHolder said:
Footy doesn't need segregation - which will lead to supporters becoming less and less tolerant of 'others'.
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Soccer in the US has segregated SEATING areas, but everything else (concessions, restrooms, parking lots) is not segregated. It works pretty well. I loved going to games there. They have the best of both worlds.
 

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