News Age interview with Matt Rendell

[Saintly Viewed]

I wish I knew who Omar is/was. Did he play for the pies? Aha, I got it. A horse.

He’s a stick up man, robs drug dealers, proudly gay, doesn’t cuss, and lives by a moral code, and a criminal as it were, on the all time great show, The Wire.

one of the greatest ever characters.

in my avatar that’s Omar Little on the right next to another all time great of the show Stringer Bell (Idris Elba).


and for those that want to aquaint themselves

 

[jmac70]

I actually agree with your comment that the club is well placed now and I'm comfortable with Buckley at the helm. As I have said I think he is the right guy in the current climate to be the club figure head. What I'm not happy about was his conflicted initial appointment as I firmly believe it cost us a genuine tilt at another flag in 2012-13 which is all that matters in my humble opinion. I wish him well going forward.

Buckley did remarkably well in 2012, considering Malthouse had poisoned half the dressing room against him. As Buckley himself said last year, he was just a body left on the side. Mick thinks he can rewrite history, but the club knows exactly who he is.

The succession plan was the right call. Unfortunately Malthouse did not have the integrity to see it through.

 

[noideaatall]

The Neilk and I are going for a hit of golf once the restrictions are lifted re.. it's a great game to play.. more than welcome to tag along re.. the Neilk wants to put a gorilla on the line.. I go.. keep your gorilla re.. just enjoy the show..

Thanks, I'll be getting the slab down for my shed about then, you are welcome to come and watch it dry.

He’s a stick up man, robs drug dealers, proudly gay, doesn’t cuss, and lives by a moral code, and a criminal as it were, on the all time great show, The Wire.
one of the greatest ever characters.
in my avatar that’s Omar Little on the right next to another all time great of the show Stringer Bell (Idris Elba).
and for those that want to aquaint themselves

Thanks SV, glad I asked. Never watched it so might give it a go over the next couple of weeks.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Buckley did remarkably well in 2012, considering Malthouse had poisoned half the dressing room against him. As Buckley himself said last year, he was just a body left on the side. Mick thinks he can rewrite history, but the club knows exactly who he is.

The succession plan was the right call. Unfortunately Malthouse did not have the integrity to see it through.

With all due respect re.. and I love ya and that re like my brother and my best mate and my social distancing partner and my next door neigbour Woll.. say if Brad Gotch was given the assistant coaching position in a succession planning role.. with only limited experience coaching the AIS lads.. would you have called it the right call?

 

[jmac70]

With all due respect re.. and I love ya and that re like my brother and my best mate and my social distancing partner and my next door neigbour Woll.. say if Brad Gotch was given the assistant coaching position in a succession planning role.. with only limited experience coaching the AIS lads.. would you have called it the right call?

Who is Brad Gotch?

 

[noideaatall]

Buckley did remarkably well in 2012, considering Malthouse had poisoned half the dressing room against him. As Buckley himself said last year, he was just a body left on the side. Mick thinks he can rewrite history, but the club knows exactly who he is.
The succession plan was the right call. Unfortunately Malthouse did not have the integrity to see it through.

Mick coached 2011 to get a coaching extension, not to win the flag. Thought he was bigger than the club and Eddie. No one is bigger than Eddie. Carlton showed just how good a coach Mick was.

Who is Brad Gotch?

My theory is he's some soccer random.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Who is Brad Gotch?

Agh re Jmac re..

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Mick coached 2011 to get a coaching extension, not to win the flag. Thought he was bigger than the club and Eddie. No one is bigger than Eddie. Carlton showed just how good a coach Mick was.

My theory is he's some soccer random.

Where the club got it all wrong with Mick is that they let their foolish pride get the better of em.. understand what makes Mick tick.. play on that.. and we woulda had another flag.. he's not a millennial.. he's like my ol man..

Show the bloke respect.. speak his language.. and you've got your flag..

You can still manage to get the best out of someone in any case scenario.. you don't enter a room yelling and screaming at Mick.. play the part re..

Opportunity missed cause we walked into a bingo room and started playing DJ Bobo tracks re.

 

[unplugged]

Seems strange these types of blokes who've been let go are talking to the media like they know they're not coming back. Is it really going to be that simple?

I would thought we'd try and build back up to the same team ASAP once the revenue returns.

 

[jackcass]

When I'm talking coaching, I'm talking the whol kit and caboodle, not just match day decisions. Don't forget they were the injuries we had to have. We had to re-condition and break a few eggs in the process, due to Buttifant's stuff ups - that was the message from the club when Jason Donavan took over and injuries skyrocketed.

Injuries of any type are unfortunate, but not all were due to increased programs introduced by Donavan, and pointing a finger at the cause doesn't mitigate the lack of availability of players. Any coach can only ever work with the cattle at his disposal.

 

[jathanas]

No further amount of debate will alter the past, those outcomes are fixed.

The club is where it is now, with the right guy as coach.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Ed.. give the bloke another 3 re.. apparently the GWS game where Coniglio Green Whitfield Kelly Ward were all sipping on cappas in the grandstand with Davis sipping on one leaning on his crutch had nothing at all to do with Buckley's brilliant game plan he's fine tuned over the last 9 yrs..

 

[Help My Club]

With all due respect re.. and I love ya and that re like my brother and my best mate and my social distancing partner and my next door neigbour Woll.. say if Brad Gotch was given the assistant coaching position in a succession planning role.. with only limited experience coaching the AIS lads.. would you have called it the right call?

Great question. No matter how often I ask this same question, I never get a response or I get a deflected response because it cuts through to the essence of the issue - do the majority of supporters put Buckley first which I believe they do. We know that most supporters would be up in arms at the thought of a Gotch or his equivalent replacing Malthouse but not Buckley of course. And we know why? Given that you are held in high esteem on this site, maybe you will get a response.

 

[Help My Club]

Where the club got it all wrong with Mick is that they let their foolish pride get the better of em.. understand what makes Mick tick.. play on that.. and we woulda had another flag.. he's not a millennial.. he's like my ol man..

Show the bloke respect.. speak his language.. and you've got your flag..

You can still manage to get the best out of someone in any case scenario.. you don't enter a room yelling and screaming at Mick.. play the part re..

Opportunity missed cause we walked into a bingo room and started playing DJ Bobo tracks re.

It's called man management 101.

We all know Mick's foibles. He doesn't hide them. He is a single minded selfish driven so and so. But who gives a **** when it comes to winning flags. It's never been about Buckley vs Malthouse. I don't give a flying **** whose at the helm as long as they are delivering. It could be Snow White. We were in the middle of a premiership window (very rare occurrence) and the bloke at the helm has a massive "its all about me" ego. Well you stroke that ego until hopefully a 2nd flag in a 1-2 year period. Then when it's done you shake his hand, thank him for his service and move onto the next bloke. Simple.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

It's called man management 101.

We all know Mick's foibles. He doesn't hide them. He is a single minded selfish driven so and so. But who gives a fu** when it comes to winning flags. It's never been about Buckley vs Malthouse. I don't give a flying fu** whose at the helm as long as they are delivering. It could be Snow White. We were in the middle of a premiership window (very rare occurrence) and the bloke at the helm has a massive "its all about me" ego. Well you stroke that ego until hopefully a 2nd flag in a 1-2 year period. Then when it's done you shake his hand, thank him for his service and move onto the next bloke. Simple.

If I could give you a gorilla worth of likes I would.

Spot on re.

 

[Help My Club]

If I could give you a gorilla worth of likes I would.

Spot on re.

Cheers Pal. I think you and I can cut through the emotive crap and see it for what it is. Mind you at this rate, notwithstanding your high standing, you run the risk of being classed as a 'Buckley hater' in time. A heinous crime in these parts.

 

[sr36]

Injuries of any type are unfortunate, but not all were due to increased programs introduced by Donavan, and pointing a finger at the cause doesn't mitigate the lack of availability of players. Any coach can only ever work with the cattle at his disposal.

The injuries at the time were sold to us as an inevitable necessary consequence of the coaching decision to significantly increase loads. They fall under the banner of coaching in my book. I'm not saying they were Bucks fault. Just suggesting they were a part of the way we were coached. Bucks is simply the head of a coaching team. Whilst the Bucks stop with Bucks, he isn't necessarily responsible for all of the coaching Bucks. When I was criticising our coaching from 2012-2017, a lot of it should be seen as the responsiblity of Bucks, but not all of it.

 

[noideaatall]

Where the club got it all wrong with Mick is that they let their foolish pride get the better of em.. understand what makes Mick tick.. play on that.. and we woulda had another flag.. he's not a millennial.. he's like my ol man..
Show the bloke respect.. speak his language.. and you've got your flag..
Opportunity missed cause we walked into a bingo room and started playing DJ Bobo tracks re.

I reckon Eddie's pride, not to mention genuine fear that if we won another the cranky old man's legendary status might have passed his own. In any case its irrelevant because we would never have won the 2012 flag anyway. We might have won the 2011 if they had extended Mick right after the 2010 flag. What might have been ... easy to revise history and forget how obvious it was in 2012 we no longer had the cattle on the field. But for those who believe Mick was the divine reincarnated, how do you reckon he would have left the club after his reign was over? You guessed it, up the proverbial creek.

 

[AndrewShawble]

Ed.. give the bloke another 3 re.. apparently the GWS game where Coniglio Green Whitfield Kelly Ward were all sipping on cappas in the grandstand with Davis sipping on one leaning on his crutch had nothing at all to do with Buckley's brilliant game plan he's fine tuned over the last 9 yrs..

- Kelly played and had the 2nd most stats of the game

 

[sr36]

No further amount of debate will alter the past, those outcomes are fixed.

The club is where it is now, with the right guy as coach.

It's still an interesting conversation for me. We shouldn't ever turn our back on the lessons of history.

The most interesting part of it in my mind is Eddie and Mick. With Eddie being such a salesman and with MM talking a lot about Man United, I can't help but feel that a lot of the animosity was to do with what the "Director of Coaching" role was. I can't help but feel that Eddie sold the succession plan with MM getting a grandiose but meaningless title and MM thought it was a restructuring of coaching at our club with him becoming an Alex Ferguson style manager who would sit above Bucks. The shit didn't hit the fan in 2011 until MM pressured Eddie to lay out what the Director of Coaching role was and Mick cracked the shits because he wasn't actually going to direct coaching at all. To me, regardless of what Eddie orignally planned, the time was right for Mick to continue on as a genuine director of coaching, whereby he oversaw Bucks. It was a wasted opportunity by the club. We had a wide open window and we handed the reins to an untried greenhorn, without anyone to oversee his work.

 

[jackcass]

The injuries at the time were sold to us as an inevitable necessary consequence of the coaching decision to significantly increase loads. They fall under the banner of coaching in my book. I'm not saying they were Bucks fault. Just suggesting they were a part of the way we were coached. Bucks is simply the head of a coaching team. Whilst the Bucks stop with Bucks, he isn't necessarily responsible for all of the coaching Bucks. When I was criticising our coaching from 2012-2017, a lot of it should be seen as the responsiblity of Bucks, but not all of it.

I'm not sure they were ever sold as an "inevitable necessary consequence", that was more how some interpreted the events. It was probably naive to expect someone new to the role of senior fitness adviser to deliver personalised programs to 40+ players under a directive to increase fitness levels by 30 odd % and not have an occasional hick-up but that makes them neither necessary nor inevitable. I'd also argue that a healthy % of the 2012 injury issues were also seeded in the 2010-11 campaigns under MM and Buttifant. There were a lot of banged up bodies going into 2012.

I also think you're wrong to suggest that Bucks was responsible for the fitness program delivery. That would be just 1 tool he's provided by the FD/club to enable him to do his job but I doubt he or any coach in the AFL has the knowledge and/or skills to offer any more than trust to those charged with delivering the program. Hindsight showed that Davoran wasn't the man for the job, he was let go.

 

[Help My Club]

I reckon Eddie's pride, not to mention genuine fear that if we won another the cranky old man's legendary status might have passed his own. In any case its irrelevant because we would never have won the 2012 flag anyway. We might have won the 2011 if they had extended Mick right after the 2010 flag. What might have been ... easy to revise history and forget how obvious it was in 2012 we no longer had the cattle on the field. But for those who believe Mick was the divine reincarnated, how do you reckon he would have left the club after his reign was over? You guessed it, up the proverbial creek.

I reckon Eddie's pride, not to mention genuine fear that if we won another the cranky old man's legendary status might have passed his own. In any case its irrelevant because we would never have won the 2012 flag anyway. We might have won the 2011 if they had extended Mick right after the 2010 flag. What might have been ... easy to revise history and forget how obvious it was in 2012 we no longer had the cattle on the field. But for those who believe Mick was the divine reincarnated, how do you reckon he would have left the club after his reign was over? You guessed it, up the proverbial creek.

You might be right - Mick may have left the club in the shit striving for that elusive 2nd flag. On a risk reward basis, I'd say it would have been worth the risk. Imagine winning that 2nd flag. Who really would give a **** about the next 5-7 years given our past premiership success rate? Mind you we ended up in that same boat in any event.

 

[Help My Club]

It's still an interesting conversation for me. We shouldn't ever turn our back on the lessons of history.

The most interesting part of it in my mind is Eddie and Mick. With Eddie being such a salesman and with MM talking a lot about Man United, I can't help but feel that a lot of the animosity was to do with what the "Director of Coaching" role was. I can't help but feel that Eddie sold the succession plan with MM getting a grandiose but meaningless title and MM thought it was a restructuring of coaching at our club with him becoming an Alex Ferguson style manager who would sit above Bucks. The shit didn't hit the fan in 2011 until MM pressured Eddie to lay out what the Director of Coaching role was and Mick cracked the shits because he wasn't actually going to direct coaching at all. To me, regardless of what Eddie orignally planned, the time was right for Mick to continue on as a genuine director of coaching, whereby he oversaw Bucks. It was a wasted opportunity by the club. We had a wide open window and we handed the reins to an untried greenhorn, without anyone to oversee his work.

sr36, this is a great piece and let me respond on a cupla of your insightful comments:

(i) We can always learn from history particularly when the bloke responsible for the succession plan cluster**** is still at the helm.

(ii) The old Director of Coaching role. It's the third time I've fallen for that one this month. A desperate and futile attempt by McGuire to have his cake and eat it too. Of course there was no formal role. It was a desperate and arguably covert attempt to keep Malthouse at bay whilst bringing the new boy into the fold. Quite clever actually. Naturally when Malthouse rightly queried the specs of the role in 2011, McGuire was found wanting. It was nothing more than a generous superannuation payout. Tokenism. And the key issue that most people conveniently forget is that Buckley would have been extremely uncomfortable having Malthouse oversee his coaching methods. Think about it. A recent premiership coach who had strong connections with the playing group overseeing the new kid on the block who had no coaching pedigree and had tenuous relationships with a number of the players. Untenable! And Malthouse is accused of being the villain here by not honoring the contract. By walking away from a soft role that probably paid in the vicinity of $600,000 - $800,000 pa. Take a guess who at Collingwood would have been jumping out of his skin when Malthouse walked away from the Director of Coaching role?

 

[sr36]

I'm not sure they were ever sold as an "inevitable necessary consequence", that was more how some interpreted the events. It was probably naive to expect someone new to the role of senior fitness adviser to deliver personalised programs to 40+ players under a directive to increase fitness levels by 30 odd % and not have an occasional hick-up but that makes them neither necessary nor inevitable. I'd also argue that a healthy % of the 2012 injury issues were also seeded in the 2010-11 campaigns under MM and Buttifant. There were a lot of banged up bodies going into 2012.

I also think you're wrong to suggest that Bucks was responsible for the fitness program delivery. That would be just 1 tool he's provided by the FD/club to enable him to do his job but I doubt he or any coach in the AFL has the knowledge and/or skills to offer any more than trust to those charged with delivering the program. Hindsight showed that Davoran wasn't the man for the job, he was let go.

I'm not suggesting Bucks was responsible. I'm suggesting that coaching at the club was responsible, because I consider fitness drills to be a part of coaching.

 

[Vicky Park]

sr36, this is a great piece and let me respond on a cupla of your insightful comments:

(i) We can always learn from history particularly when the bloke responsible for the succession plan clusterfu** is still at the helm.

(ii) The old Director of Coaching role. It's the third time I've fallen for that one this month. A desperate and futile attempt by McGuire to have his cake and eat it too. Of course there was no formal role. It was a desperate and arguably covert attempt to keep Malthouse at bay whilst bringing the new boy into the fold. Quite clever actually. Naturally when Malthouse rightly queried the specs of the role in 2011, McGuire was found wanting. It was nothing more than a generous superannuation payout. Tokenism. And the key issue that most people conveniently forget is that Buckley would have been extremely uncomfortable having Malthouse oversee his coaching methods. Think about it. A recent premiership coach who had strong connections with the playing group overseeing the new kid on the block who had no coaching pedigree and had tenuous relationships with a number of the players. Untenable! And Malthouse is accused of being the villain here by not honoring the contract. By walking away from a soft role that probably paid in the vicinity of $600,000 - $800,000 pa. Take a guess who at Collingwood would have been jumping out of his skin when Malthouse walked away from the Director of Coaching role?

I thought Rodney Eade assumed the Director of Coaching role when Mick refused it. Lasted a couple of years before going to the Suns. Then the role sort of disappeared. So it was a legitimate role, at least in conception, before being discarded by the club.

Actually, I’ve just checked the ever reliable Wikipedia, which has a slightly different take:

‘On 3 October 2011, Eade was appointed by Collingwood to the position of Football and Coaching Strategist, replacing outgoing coach Mick Malthouse, who had originally planned to step into that role after the 2011 season.‘