List Mgmt. Aisho Going Elsewhere

[jimmy35]

lol Norf.

There's nothing worse than chasing everyone and ending up with nothing.
This is why you need to "target" the player/s you chase thoroughly. Throwing your hat into every ring makes you look desperate and without a plan.

Yes but they've made sure we pay 'fair price' for him. Tiggers do the same thing apparently.
Surely it'd be nice to actually land one once in a while though boys instead

 

[Prestigerrycomo]

Am I the only one who reads this thread title everytime I open it as "Aisho goes Elsewhereo"

 

[Palmer Stoat]

So you think your fellow Collingwood supporters are "campaigners"?
Well, at least we know where we stand in your mind. And can rightly ignore you from now on.
Cheers.

How can all the campaigners on this board have escaped your notice?

It's not like they try to cover their tracks. Would defeat the purpose, after all.

 

[HFF]

Yes but they've made sure we pay 'fair price' for him. Tiggers do the same thing apparently.
Surely it'd be nice to actually land one once in a while though boys instead

lol oh yes that old adage of "keeping them honest".

I'm sure we can do an honest deal on our own but we appreciate the thought and offer of assistance

It's such a poor look though by Tigers and Roos.
This is why I love how our guys just don't throw their hat into every ring. That's when the pressure really builds and the stigma attaches of not being able to land anyone.

Already if you go on both Tigers and Roos boards they are casting doubts as to why they cannot land players i.e. be a destination club.

 

[Knightmare]

Hey Knightmare, can I ask you for your input on the above – Aish and my concerns over his attributes – as I imagine you've witnessed him at junior level as well?

Aish relatively speaking is a do it all without that point of difference that sets him apart from everyone else.

Moves well but speed only average. By foot penetration only average. He is a clean kick, efficiency probably through two seasons hasn't been representative of what he did back in SA, but that can improve and he can be a clean, efficient user of the footy.

Aish is more outside than inside. Can win some of his own ball. Production strong but not overwhelming (he can be a 20 disposal per game type at AFL level). Plays his best footy when used wing/half back. He is very much an immediate player, from the age of 16 he was playing in the SANFL at League level and performing strongly.

With injuries his second season was poor.

As to where he would fit on Collingwood's list in 2016. Anywhere in the 19-25 range is probable. And I'd have him just outside our best 22 at this time. But with a strong preseason that can change.

While I liked Aish in his draft year, I don't feel any particular urgency to add him. But he isn't someone I'd say no to having either as someone I feel can have a long, strong pro career.

 

[Lord Wilberforce]

Aish relatively speaking is a do it all without that point of difference that sets him apart from everyone else.

Moves well but speed only average. By foot penetration only average. He is a clean kick, efficiency probably through two seasons hasn't been representative of what he did back in SA, but that can improve and he can be a clean, efficient user of the footy.

Aish is more outside than inside. Can win some of his own ball. Production strong but not overwhelming (he can be a 20 disposal per game type at AFL level). Plays his best footy when used wing/half back. He is very much an immediate player, from the age of 16 he was playing in the SANFL at League level and performing strongly.

With injuries his second season was poor.

As to where he would fit on Collingwood's list in 2016. Anywhere in the 19-25 range is probable. And I'd have him just outside our best 22 at this time. But with a strong preseason that can change.

While I liked Aish in his draft year, I don't feel any particular urgency to add him. But he isn't someone I'd say no to having either as someone I feel can have a long, strong pro career.

Should we rename you Nightmare? Just burst our bubble!

 

[76woodenspooners]

Aish relatively speaking is a do it all without that point of difference that sets him apart from everyone else.

Moves well but speed only average. By foot penetration only average. He is a clean kick, efficiency probably through two seasons hasn't been representative of what he did back in SA, but that can improve and he can be a clean, efficient user of the footy.

Aish is more outside than inside. Can win some of his own ball. Production strong but not overwhelming (he can be a 20 disposal per game type at AFL level). Plays his best footy when used wing/half back. He is very much an immediate player, from the age of 16 he was playing in the SANFL at League level and performing strongly.

With injuries his second season was poor.

As to where he would fit on Collingwood's list in 2016. Anywhere in the 19-25 range is probable. And I'd have him just outside our best 22 at this time. But with a strong preseason that can change.

While I liked Aish in his draft year, I don't feel any particular urgency to add him. But he isn't someone I'd say no to having either as someone I feel can have a long, strong pro career.

How would you rate him v Freeman? (Given that he's from the same draft year, from around the same place in the draft, and that we'll probably end up with "out: Freeman, in: Aish")

How would you rate him v Oxley? (Given the rumours that Oxley may end up being part of a trade for Aish, Oxley is yet to re-sign, and from your description it sounds like they play a similar role)

 

[jasonwilde]

Already if you go on both Tigers and Roos boards they are casting doubts as to why they cannot land players i.e. be a destination club.

That's nothing- head to the Carlton Board. There was some brief mention of why they aren't a 'destination club' but as swiftly as it was mentioned, it was cut down and, led by the mods, everyone agree that's it's a GOOD thing that Carlton aren't a destination club at this point in time.

Delusion has replaced that 'Carlton swagger'

 

[jimmy35]

So many delusional boards, so little time to read them.

 

[Pendles!]

Aish relatively speaking is a do it all without that point of difference that sets him apart from everyone else.

Moves well but speed only average. By foot penetration only average. He is a clean kick, efficiency probably through two seasons hasn't been representative of what he did back in SA, but that can improve and he can be a clean, efficient user of the footy.

Aish is more outside than inside. Can win some of his own ball. Production strong but not overwhelming (he can be a 20 disposal per game type at AFL level). Plays his best footy when used wing/half back. He is very much an immediate player, from the age of 16 he was playing in the SANFL at League level and performing strongly.

With injuries his second season was poor.

As to where he would fit on Collingwood's list in 2016. Anywhere in the 19-25 range is probable. And I'd have him just outside our best 22 at this time. But with a strong preseason that can change.

While I liked Aish in his draft year, I don't feel any particular urgency to add him. But he isn't someone I'd say no to having either as someone I feel can have a long, strong pro career.

Would you rather take a punt on two picks in the 20's in this supposedly weak draft or a 'sure' thing in Aish?

Seems we're taking the sure thing approach in acquiring Aish and Treloar.

 

[Knightmare]

How would you rate him v Freeman? (Given that he's from the same draft year, from around the same place in the draft, and that we'll probably end up with "out: Freeman, in: Aish")

How would you rate him v Oxley? (Given the rumours that Oxley may end up being part of a trade for Aish, Oxley is yet to re-sign, and from your description it sounds like they play a similar role)

It will, probably not so directly be Aish in, Freeman out.

I see the moves we're looking to make this trade period to be fairly positive. Treloar is a big upgrade through the midfield. Howe can help make us better. Then the likes of Seedsman/Freeman/Kennedy are all players who are more on the fringe of the best 22 without being in there which means we can lose them without losing sleep, if it allows us to make other moves that can improve our best 22.

On Aish v Freeman. They both play different games. Freeman has the greater upside and is by far and away the better athlete as an elite speed and endurance runner as well as the stronger contested ball winner. He projects to become something like a Luke Shuey, even with the injuries, though perhaps a slightly less dominant contested ball winner, and more of a running version. So he can still have a very strong career if things go right. If things go wrong he just may not make it and get stuck on the fringes, or continue getting hurt, though I feel he'll still go on to have a good career in his own right.
Aish on the other hand and the projection with him is more clear as the more established and more advanced player upon getting drafted. He more certainly projects to become something like our equivalent of a Jarrad McVeigh. He can play a bit of everywhere. Does everything pretty well. He can play next year and be a 150 gamer for Collingwood and a strong long term piece.

Given the higher degree of confidence and certainty I have in Aish as the more immediate, lower risk guy. While I don't round one next year have him inside our best 22 if we have a fully healthy team. I'd still pick Aish over Freeman.

As for Aish v Oxley. I'd go with Aish. Oxley can still go on and have a pro career, but his best 22 chances I see as being a level below Aish. And on talent I rate Oxley behind some of our younger general backs in (Scharenberg/Williams/Langdon/Maynard). Oxley I feel somewhat like I do with Seedsman where with the gap between his best and worst, I can see him finding himself on the outer in a few years. So I'd be open to moving him as part of a deal for Aish if required.

 

[Knightmare]

Would you rather take a punt on two picks in the 20's in this supposedly weak draft or a 'sure' thing in Aish?

Seems we're taking the sure thing approach in acquiring Aish and Treloar.

We really draft well. There are a few who may be there in the 20s who have a chance to develop into better pros than Aish. So I'd personally take the two picks in the 20s over Aish.

Collingwood having expressed a lack of interest in being involved in this draft may not share my view though. That will become more clear over the coming days when we find out if we succeed in making a deal for Aish, as to which pieces they decide to include. Be it one second round selection, two second round selections, a second round selection and Oxley, or whatever it ends up being.

As for the names in the 20s. Clayton Oliver is the one player in the 20s I expect has a better pro career than Aish as a strong bodied inside midfielder. Mitchell Hibberd may also be available in the 20s but most likely goes first round) is another I'd probably also take ahead of Aish.
Then in that similar conversation to Aish, I'd have Ryan Clarke (expected to go in the 20s), Kieran Collins (may fall into the 20s), Wayne Milera (unlikely to fall into the 20s), Luke Partington (expected to go in the 20s or 30s), Harry Himmelberg (GWS Academy but may be overlooked and probably goes in the 20s).
So there are enough names and give me two cracks, I'd back myself or the club in with two of those to find a better pro than Aish.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Should we rename you Nightmare? Just burst our bubble!

Colin Wisbey, who I rate as a genuine draft watcher, rated him No.1 in his draft year.
He says he is a brilliant pick up

 

[nahnah]

'Home is where the heart lies'
...ends up in Victoria

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Brisbane's James Aish remains “100 per cent” committed to joining Collingwood, despite a lucrative late bid by North Melbourne.

Aish’s manager Liam Pickering said on Saturday he had informed the Kangaroos that his client would only entertain playing for the Magpies.

“He wants to go to Collingwood, that’s the story,” Pickering said. “We are dealing with Brisbane in trying to get him to Collingwood, and that’s where it is at the moment.”

“He’s 100 per cent wanting to going there. North Melbourne came up with a very good offer, but we’ve told them that James wants to play for Collingwood.”

- Herald Sun

 

[loki04]

Date Posted:20:59 16/10/15 Fri
Author: ~TheScout~
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 101.185.110.20
Subject: Aish
In reply to: Rb 's message, "A repeat a chorus. He don't inspire me either." on 19:51 16/10/15 Fri

He's exactly the type of skilled, game smart kid we need.
For all that decry our foot skills, surely he'd be a good addition?
Has high levels of composure, is driven to succeed and has chosen us?

Soft? Come on.

Date Posted:21:35 16/10/15 Fri
Author: Colin Wisbey
Author Host/IP: c220-239-50-122.eburwd6.vic.optusnet.com.au / 220.239.50.122
Subject: I ranked him #1 in his draft and would rate him a terrific get for Pies
In reply to: MR 's message, "You like Aish Col?" on 20:21 16/10/15 Fri

IIRC, Gary Buckenera is quoted in the media as deeming that we already have enough of his type. Given that decision-making and creative disposal are two of Aish's greatest strengths, on those counts alone (although he has other very appealing attributes too), I *strongly* disagree - even to the extent that IMO a significant shortage of such types in our team has actually cost our team *dearly*.

Date Posted:12:09 26/09/15 Sat
Author: Pyeman
Author Host/IP: pa49-183-196-35.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au / 49.183.196.35
Subject: No good that Aish, 18 dis av debut season and elite for retention rate and meters gained.
In reply to: Magpie Greg 's message, "We are getting one" on 10:53 26/09/15 Sat

Numbers took a dip this year because of injury and some funny business with the coach, but still displayed quality ball use

All 3 are in the talent ID game.

Seems to me the experts rate him quite highly.

 

[Pdid]

Brisbane's James Aish remains “100 per cent” committed to joining Collingwood, despite a lucrative late bid by North Melbourne.

Aish’s manager Liam Pickering said on Saturday he had informed the Kangaroos that his client would only entertain playing for the Magpies.

“He wants to go to Collingwood, that’s the story,” Pickering said. “We are dealing with Brisbane in trying to get him to Collingwood, and that’s where it is at the moment.”

“He’s 100 per cent wanting to going there. North Melbourne came up with a very good offer, but we’ve told them that James wants to play for Collingwood.”

- Herald Sun

Tell that to the norf board... still think theyre in it

 

[unplugged]

The Hawks posters rate highly Jed and were happy to see him go, triple premiership teams have debth greater than most clubs.
I rate Anderson higher then Aish. For our needs anyway. Aish is too slow and we have enough hard inside mids like him.
Cant wait to see Anderson ripping you apart.

The only ripping apart Norf have done to Collingwood lately is when Lindsay Thomas sniped Ben Reid and split his head open, knocking him out.

 

[TradeDraft]

Guess we made the Right Descion Picking Schranberg over Aish in the 2013 Draft

 

[eddiebankbalance]

If Richmond and North merge, they'll be called - Northmond, lmao.

 

[Visions]

Brisbane's James Aish remains “100 per cent” committed to joining Collingwood, despite a lucrative late bid by North Melbourne.

Aish’s manager Liam Pickering said on Saturday he had informed the Kangaroos that his client would only entertain playing for the Magpies.

“He wants to go to Collingwood, that’s the story,” Pickering said. “We are dealing with Brisbane in trying to get him to Collingwood, and that’s where it is at the moment.”

“He’s 100 per cent wanting to going there. North Melbourne came up with a very good offer, but we’ve told them that James wants to play for Collingwood.”

- Herald Sun

Have to love how the Herald Sun hyped up the Aish to Nth move yesterday and gave all those Kanga fans hope, and less than 24 hours later it all comes crashing down around them.

 

[JB1975]

So you think your fellow Collingwood supporters are "campaigners"?
Well, at least we know where we stand in your mind. And can rightly ignore you from now on.
Cheers.

Well, quite the about-turn from you. There you were just the other day in the Pendles-Getting-Married thread calling the players bogans for heading to Bali, and denigrating many of your fellow supporters for good measure. Come now, step off the high horse. Down I say.

 

[bodga22]

Am I the only one who reads this thread title everytime I open it as "Aisho goes Elsewhereo"

I read it as "Aisho Go'o Elsewhereo" as a Neanderthal

 

[Black_White]

Well, quite the about-turn from you. There you were just the other day in the Pendles-Getting-Married thread calling the players bogans for heading to Bali, and denigrating many of your fellow supporters for good measure. Come now, step off the high horse. Down I say.

I was only having a bit of return serving at those having a shot at me.
It's called "The Internet".
And it can be fun if you don't take it to seriously.
You accuse me of "denigrating fellow supporters". Have you read the thread?
I couldn't believe the defence of the Bali trip. It was like some of the posters were Pendles relatives, or at least they thought they were.
Good fun. And an absolute riot to read!

 

[Black_White]

How can all the campaigners on this board have escaped your notice?

It's not like they try to cover their tracks. Would defeat the purpose, after all.

I don't think of them as campaigners.
I think of them as fellow Pies who have a different view to mine.
I don't have to agree with that view, and I'll probably engage them to change that point of view.
But in the end, we all cheer the same goals, we all kick the same dog when things turn to shit.
I enjoy the cut and thrust of the Internet Pies.
Even if they are all wrong!