Injury All the best Nathan Brown

[Kirby]

I just saw the incident that caused the injury and I am afraid that I agree about O'Brien's reckless intervention from the side. O'Brien should feel guilty if the season is over for Brown.

That is just f*cking ridiculous. It was a pure accident and just bad luck.

Spoken like a person who has never actually played the game. Totally disgraceful.

 

[Fitzy]

That is just f*cking ridiculous. It was a pure accident and just bad luck.

Spoken like a person who has never actually played the game. Totally disgraceful.

Totally agree Kirbs disgraceful comment.

 

[Wooljay]

I just saw the incident that caused the injury and I am afraid that I agree about O'Brien's reckless intervention from the side. O'Brien should feel guilty if the season is over for Brown.

And for those who say Brown is dispensable, who is going to man (or 'person' for the ultra-politically correct amongst you) Hawkins next week after he rag-dolled Reid in last year's GF? Brown already is missed as there is no other gorilla fighter in our ranks.

Unbelievably ridiculous call. That was an absolute freak accident, and I applaud Harry for hitting the packs hard - it wasn't reckless. Nate wouldn't blame him either, and nor should he.

Reid only got monstered by Hawkins because he was literally on one leg by the end of the game and couldn't break a trot. He will clinically demolish Hawkins next week, guaranteed. Our biggest concern should be Pods considering we're missing Tarrant AND Brown now.

 

[Scodog10]

I just saw the incident that caused the injury and I am afraid that I agree about O'Brien's reckless intervention from the side. O'Brien should feel guilty if the season is over for Brown.

And for those who say Brown is dispensable, who is going to man (or 'person' for the ultra-politically correct amongst you) Hawkins next week after he rag-dolled Reid in last year's GF? Brown already is missed as there is no other gorilla fighter in our ranks.

I don't normally agree with you, however you seem to be getting flamed for what you think and considering I feel the same way I might as well pledge my support. What Harry did was dumb courage there's no other explanation for it.

Another example of it in the past month was when Luke Bruest ran with the flight of the ball and Matt Jaensch cleaned him up while taking the mark. Neither O'Brien or Bruest had a play on the ball so they should have stayed front and centre. Wellingham did exactly that in the lead up to Sinclair's second goal (possibly??).

 

[gardiner stand]

if thats only a medial then that reco he had has certainly worked.
if that didnt tear the graft nothing will so 4 to 6 weeks is a good result

 

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[TradeDraft]

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[TheGreatGrundy]

I don't normally agree with you, however you seem to be getting flamed for what you think and considering I feel the same way I might as well pledge my support. What Harry did was dumb courage there's no other explanation for it.

Another example of it in the past month was when Luke Bruest ran with the flight of the ball and Matt Jaensch cleaned him up while taking the mark. Neither O'Brien or Bruest had a play on the ball so they should have stayed front and centre. Wellingham did exactly that in the lead up to Sinclair's second goal (possibly??).

Harry should feel guilty for reckless play that though well meant took out the wrong person. He looked strained in the face straight after the incident, perhaps because he figured Brown may have done another knee injury and that he might have helped cause the injury through what many here seem to think was the correct thing for Harry to do. Whether Harry had no other alternative in his mind, he will feel he contributed to the injury.

There are levels of guilt and the level being referred to by me is that of someone who could but didn't make a better decision uder pressure, not someone who feels guilt for a malicious act. Accordingly, the comments of some of our hardened offended BF warriors are totally out of prportion to my words or thoughts.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Unbelievably ridiculous call. That was an absolute freak accident, and I applaud Harry for hitting the packs hard - it wasn't reckless. Nate wouldn't blame him either, and nor should he.

Reid only got monstered by Hawkins because he was literally on one leg by the end of the game and couldn't break a trot. He will clinically demolish Hawkins next week, guaranteed. Our biggest concern should be Pods considering we're missing Tarrant AND Brown now.

Perhaps Reid is not the ideal opponent for Hawkins, just as Brown was preferred over Reid as the opponent for J Brown. Reid was hampered by injury in the GF, but this was also the second time in 4 weeks that Hawkins played well against us with Reid on one leg and Brown injured. Basically what my comment was saying is that Brown would have been the player chosen to guard Hawkins. Brown is a stopper where Reid has a different purpose in the team.

Better that players play to their strengths than feature in acts of bravado against players that don't suit their strengths. Reid on Hawkins is not a match up we would have chosen had Brown not been injured.

 

[TheWoodsOf72]

I just saw the incident that caused the injury and I am afraid that I agree about O'Brien's reckless intervention from the side. O'Brien should feel guilty if the season is over for Brown.

And for those who say Brown is dispensable, who is going to man (or 'person' for the ultra-politically correct amongst you) Hawkins next week after he rag-dolled Reid in last year's GF? Brown already is missed as there is no other gorilla fighter in our ranks.

Yes, it was reckless, which sums up Harry's year. Out of form and trying to over do things. He didn't get anywhere near the ball when he launched himself.

 

[Kirby]

Harry should feel guilty for reckless play that though well meant took out the wrong person. He looked strained in the face straight after the incident, perhaps because he figured Brown may have done another knee injury and that he might have helped cause the injury through what many here seem to think was the correct thing for Harry to do. Whether Harry had no other alternative in his mind, he will feel he contributed to the injury.

There are levels of guilt and the level being referred to by me is that of someone who could but didn't make a better decision uder pressure, not someone who feels guilt for a malicious act. Accordingly, the comments of some of our hardened offended BF warriors are totally out of prportion to my words or thoughts.

[sarcasm]Yes because as we all know players get several seconds to make these decisions and weigh them up in their minds so they can calculate the possibility of injury to other players[/sarcasm].

As I said previously, only people who have never played the game at any decent level would come to this conclusion. How anyone can criticize and bestow guilt upon a player for being brave and making a split second decision to commit to a contest is beyond me.

I'm sure Harry feels bad about it enough, because he's obviously a decent guy, so to say outright that he should feel guilty is just a really poor call. I don't care how you shake it.

I'm pretty surprised at the support from Scodog too who I find to be a normally sensible poster. Everyone has a bad day I suppose.

I just find it poor to suggest a player should feel "guilty" is such circumstances. It's pretty offensive.

 

[SuperSub17]

Funny how no-one remembers Hawkins doing jack sh*t in the first half of the GF. The three goals he got in the third qtr were all from the goal square.

Geelong are not playing all that well atm so while losing Browny is a concern I think Reid will step up (like against Richmond when Taz went down) and do a good job. Keeffe has also played well this year so I will back him in. Hopefully there won't be as many one-outs as there were in the GF.

 

[Scodog10]

[sarcasm]Yes because as we all know players get several seconds to make these decisions and weigh them up in their minds so they can calculate the possibility of injury to other players[/sarcasm].

As I said previously, only people who have never played the game at any decent level would come to this conclusion. How anyone can criticize and bestow guilt upon a player for being brave and making a split second decision to commit to a contest is beyond me.

I'm sure Harry feels bad about it enough, because he's obviously a decent guy, so to say outright that he should feel guilty is just a really poor call. I don't care how you shake it.

I'm pretty surprised at the support from Scodog too who I find to be a normally sensible poster. Everyone has a bad day I suppose.

I just find it poor to suggest a player should feel "guilty" is such circumstances. It's pretty offensive.

I don't want to be overly critical of Harry because he appeared genuinely contrite after the incident, but it wasn't a split second call. The ball was kicked long from about 60 with Harry and Banfield being around 15-20 metres away from the drop of the ball.

From the moment it left the boot to Brown taking the mark was roughly 3 seconds. Heath Shaw comes from a separate angle to the contest but was roughly the same distance away. He had a better play on the ball than O'Brien because from his angle he could come over the top (rather than front on like O'Brien) and avoid body contact while at the same time killing the ball over the goal line, yet he chose to stay down. Harry should have done the same.

Three seconds is enough time to realise that it's a three on two contest and to trust the teams gun full back to make the spoil. If that appeared unlikely he needed to hold off his smaller opponent and call Shaw into the contest, but I don't think he had the awareness to do either of those as reading the game has never been Harry's strong suit. It's the reason why he gives away so many free kick's in one on one contests because he's always looking for body contact.

I'm not trying to sink the boots in here because these are just some of the things that would come up in the post match review and him attacking the contest the way he did would have been frowned upon by Ben Hart even if Brown wasn't injured. Because he conceded the numbers advantage at the fall of the ball where his opponent is most dangerous.....

FWIW Banfield shouldn't be absolved of blame either because he should have done more to protect his captain by at least attempting to prevent Harry from flying back with the flight of the ball. It could have just as easily been J Brown flattened by O'Brien

 

[TheWoodsOf72]

Funny how no-one remembers Hawkins doing jack sh*t in the first half of the GF. The three goals he got in the third qtr were all from the goal square.
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Spot on. I think Hawkins is over-rated and the same for Podsiadily who can only run in a straight line (one trick pony).

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

[sarcasm]Yes because as we all know players get several seconds to make these decisions and weigh them up in their minds so they can calculate the possibility of injury to other players[/sarcasm].

As I said previously, only people who have never played the game at any decent level would come to this conclusion. .

For all you know, I might be Rene Kink or Shane Morwood. Or Danny Seow or Con Britt, even JasonWild.

 

[Number 10]

Harry did what every defender in the entire afl would have done. Just watched a replay of the incident then and it was just unlucky. Chill out on the cheap shots

 

[mattys123]

Harry did what every defender in the entire afl would have done. Just watched a replay of the incident then and it was just unlucky. Chill out on the cheap shots

Nah, Harry made a mistake in not getting back to help Brown one on one with Jono Brown in the goal square, but that's the only mistake he made.

Once he saw he had made that mistake he tried his butt off to get there, but unfortunately crashed into Nate instead, while Jono Brown took a juggling chest mark (and missed the easy set shot).

The mistake Harry made was not getting back earlier to make it a two on one contest versus Jono Brown, but who's to say Harry still doesn't land on top of Nate in a pack anyway, no one can say that with any certainty.

 

[Number 10]

Ur point in relation to my post? I don't know what u are referring to when u say "nah".

 

[blaze036]

Harry should feel guilty for reckless play that though well meant took out the wrong person. He looked strained in the face straight after the incident, perhaps because he figured Brown may have done another knee injury and that he might have helped cause the injury through what many here seem to think was the correct thing for Harry to do. Whether Harry had no other alternative in his mind, he will feel he contributed to the injury.

There are levels of guilt and the level being referred to by me is that of someone who could but didn't make a better decision uder pressure, not someone who feels guilt for a malicious act. Accordingly, the comments of some of our hardened offended BF warriors are totally out of prportion to my words or thoughts.

What.. H was being couragous, and doing EXACTLY what an AFL player is required to do, run hard at a pack to try and do whats best for the team putting personal safety aside. Are u saying Collingwood should play like pussies to avoid accidently colliding with each other? Yea okay, wonder how thats gonna work out for us.

I've dislocated a shoulder thanks to a teammate running back with the flight and cleaning me up... Should i blame him? should he feel terrible and guilty? NO, because he was trying to win us the game and it was a freak accident, i accept the risked of me being injured when i walked onto the field.

 

[jimmy35]

**** me it's a game of footy. People crash into people all the time it was just unlucky.

 

[SuperSub17]

Today's HUN says 2-4 weeks.

 

[Kirby]

I don't want to be overly critical of Harry because he appeared genuinely contrite after the incident, but it wasn't a split second call. The ball was kicked long from about 60 with Harry and Banfield being around 15-20 metres away from the drop of the ball.

From the moment it left the boot to Brown taking the mark was roughly 3 seconds. Heath Shaw comes from a separate angle to the contest but was roughly the same distance away. He had a better play on the ball than O'Brien because from his angle he could come over the top (rather than front on like O'Brien) and avoid body contact while at the same time killing the ball over the goal line, yet he chose to stay down. Harry should have done the same.

Three seconds is enough time to realise that it's a three on two contest and to trust the teams gun full back to make the spoil. If that appeared unlikely he needed to hold off his smaller opponent and call Shaw into the contest, but I don't think he had the awareness to do either of those as reading the game has never been Harry's strong suit. It's the reason why he gives away so many free kick's in one on one contests because he's always looking for body contact.

I'm not trying to sink the boots in here because these are just some of the things that would come up in the post match review and him attacking the contest the way he did would have been frowned upon by Ben Hart even if Brown wasn't injured. Because he conceded the numbers advantage at the fall of the ball where his opponent is most dangerous.....

FWIW Banfield shouldn't be absolved of blame either because he should have done more to protect his captain by at least attempting to prevent Harry from flying back with the flight of the ball. It could have just as easily been J Brown flattened by O'Brien

I appreciate you explaining your reasons. Technically maybe he shouldn't have flown for it but to suggest as MMD (sorry Rene Kink) did that he should feel "guilty" for it just annoys the crap out of me.

I would rather our players err on the side of being brave.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Today's HUN says 2-4 weeks.

He'll probably have an MRI today so wait for something from him or the club on Twitter.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I appreciate you explaining your reasons. Technically maybe he shouldn't have flown for it but to suggest as MMD (sorry Rene Kink) did that he should feel "guilty" for it just annoys the crap out of me.

I would rather our players err on the side of being brave.

Sorry but I disagree. 'Bravery' when it comes at the cost of intelligence is for poor sides.

I'd expect our players to be smarter and know when to go, and when to wait back.

Harry O'Brien simply exposed what a dumb footballer he is with that one act. Yeah, he's flashy, yeah he runs, yeah he can look exciting at times, but he is a DUMB footballer.

Think about it for just one second if you will. He flew over a contest on the COLLINGWOOD advantage side. The side that was already covered by Nathan, and not only did he do that, he didn't even end up spoiling the ball. He just took Nathan out of the contest and ended up giving Jon Brown the mark he probably wouldn't have taken otherwise, while also re-injuring Rambo's knee.

Just stupid.

 

[Temploar]

Sorry but I disagree. 'Bravery' when it comes at the cost of intelligence is for poor sides.

I'd expect our players to be smarter and know when to go, and when to wait back.

Harry O'Brien simply exposed what a dumb footballer he is with that one act. Yeah, he's flashy, yeah he runs, yeah he can look exciting at times, but he is a DUMB footballer.

Think about it for just one second if you will. He flew over a contest on the COLLINGWOOD advantage side. The side that was already covered by Nathan, and not only did he do that, he didn't even end up spoiling the ball. He just took Nathan out of the contest and ended up giving Jon Brown the mark he probably wouldn't have taken otherwise, while also re-injuring Rambo's knee.

Just stupid.

At least he was sympathetic after it.