All things Politics

[DinoSoar]

It is recognised that this is a fraught topic for any number of you posting here. Some of you will have family in Israel or Palestine. Some of you will have connections to either side of the conflict. What you need to understand is that this site has rules governing posting standards and the appropriate way to talk to other posters, and you will abide by them.

How this interacts with this thread is that the following will result in your post being deleted, with a recurrence of the same behaviour resulting in (depending on severity) a threadban for a week and a day off:

• direct labelling of someone as anti-semitic or a terrorist sympathiser for posting that is merely critical of Israel's response over time. Israel has the right to defend themselves from violence, but that does not mean that Israel has carte blanche to attack disproportionately towards people under their care.
• deliberate goading or flippant responses, designed to get people reacting to your posting emotionally.
• abuse.
• attempts to turn this into a Left vs Right shitfight.
• Use the word 'Nazi' in here, you had better be able to justify it in the post you're making and the comparison had better be apt. Godwin's law is in full effect for the purposes of this thread; if you refer to Nazis, you've lost whatever argument you're involved in.
• Any defense of Hamas' actions on the basis of justification. There's no justification for genocide, regardless of whether or not they have the power to do so.

Please recognise that this is a difficult time for all involved, and some level of sensitivity is absolutely required to permit discussion to flow. From time to time, mods will reach out to specific posters and do some welfare checks; we may even give posters who get a bit too involved some days off to give people some time to cool down. This is not a reflection on you as a poster, merely that this is an intense subject.

I get that this is a fairly intense topic about which opinion can diverge rather significantly. If you feel you cannot be respectful in your disagreement with another poster, it is frequently better to refuse to engage than it is to take up the call.

From this point, any poster who finds themselves directly insulting another poster will find themselves receiving a threadban and an infraction, with each subsequent reoccurance resulting in steadily more points added to your account.

It has also become apparent that this needs to be said: just because someone moderates this forum that does not hold them to a different standard of posting than anyone else. All of us were posters first, and we are allowed to hold opinions on this and share them on this forum.

Treat each other with the respect each of you deserve.

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[Carringbush2010]

US is not the 'global policeman'.

Umm yes it is.

 

[Carringbush2010]

See this is where there is a problem. As a female I dispute what was said based on the females I know. I have heard that some every carry pepper spray (have no idea where they get this from as I thought it was illegal).

None that I know of do things that they did in the past like running/jogging through parkgrounds, not even on footpaths in their neighborhood.

They avoid taking public transport at night (always with their phone handy) unless there is someone waiting for them at their final stop.

I do agree that media don't really care and that it is just click bait for them though.

I'm not advocating for Tracy's analogous examples. In saying that I don't think Tracy would just make this up, that would be abhorrent.

I'm just making the observation of how influential the media is, they report what they report in a certain light and paint it as Jan and Joe public agree with whatever their narrative is and then everyone thinks Jan and Joe public thinks this way, when they probably don't.

 

[sr36]

Umm yes it is.

They're not enforcing un laws. What laws are they enforcing - the laws of self interest?

 

[Black_White]

They're not enforcing un laws. What laws are they enforcing - the laws of self interest?

Nominate who you would like to see as the “worlds policeman”.
If not the US, then who?

 

[sr36]

Nominate who you would like to see as the “worlds policeman”.
If not the US, then who?

I'm not particularly critical of the us. They've been an important step and improvement from invade for self interest to manipulate for self interest.

I just don't know what "world's policeman" means. We're the Brits the previous worlds policeman. The Romans? What does the job entail.
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[leon123]

I'm not particularly critical of the us. They've been an important step and improvement from invade for self interest to manipulate for self interest.

I just don't know what "world's policeman" means. We're the Brits the previous worlds policeman. The Romans? What does the job entail.
.

Ive no idea what a global policeman means either, but if there had to be one Id go with: Kazakhstan.

Why, well their national sport is called “Buzkashi”, which literally means “grabbing the dead goat”, sees players on horseback vie for control of the “ball”, which, as the name suggests, is the headless carcass of a goat.

I wouldn't mess with em.

 

[JB1975]

Umm yes it is.

According to what power?

What laws does it uphold?

 

[sr36]

Ive no idea what a global policeman means either, but if there had to be one Id go with: Kazakhstan.

Why, well their national sport is called “Buzkashi”, which literally means “grabbing the dead goat”, sees players on horseback vie for control of the “ball”, which, as the name suggests, is the headless carcass of a goat.

I wouldn't mess with em.

Jamaica would be pretty cool cops.

 

[Black_White]

I'm not particularly critical of the us. They've been an important step and improvement from invade for self interest to manipulate for self interest.

I just don't know what "world's policeman" means. We're the Brits the previous worlds policeman. The Romans? What does the job entail.
.

The Romans are a stretch.
The British took on the Germans twice. Respect for being the policeman in those circumstances.
And the Americans have pushed back against organisation’s like ISIS and al-Qaeda.
If you don’t think we need a world policeman, then you aren’t looking at the big picture.

 

[JB1975]

A global policeman appointed by no one, acting upon no particular powers or ideals other than self-interest.

Happy to overthrow democracies when it suits, subvert others. Has no hesitation in supporting some of the bloodiest dictatorships around the world.

Pays no attention to international law and will not be bound by it.

A questionable democracy operating according to special interests (i.e. cash), while citizens are given the power to shoot fellow citizens.

Most of the world regards the US as a self-serving power in terminal decline. The notion that it has ever been --let alone remains-- a global policeman is a simple fiction for those who love simple stories.

 

[sr36]

The Romans are a stretch.
The British took on the Germans twice. Respect for being the policeman in those circumstances.
And the Americans have pushed back against organisation’s like ISIS and al-Qaeda.
If you don’t think we need a world policeman, then you aren’t looking at the big picture.

I'm picturing Trump with a sheriff's star saying "yo pilgrims" The world needs it.

 

[NMBB]

Ive no idea what a global policeman means either, but if there had to be one Id go with: Kazakhstan.

Why, well their national sport is called “Buzkashi”, which literally means “grabbing the dead goat”, sees players on horseback vie for control of the “ball”, which, as the name suggests, is the headless carcass of a goat.

I wouldn't mess with em.

Hardistan gets my vote - ottoman - paramount leader

 

[Carringbush2010]

They're not enforcing un laws. What laws are they enforcing - the laws of self interest?

Of course they are enforcing self interest by being the global big dog, Ok they're not 'officially' the global cop, but they sure act like it.

Certainly have committed unethical acts since wwII to 'defend' 'democracy'

 

[Carringbush2010]

According to what power?

What laws does it uphold?

Read post 6913

 

[Carringbush2010]

Nominate who you would like to see as the “worlds policeman”.
If not the US, then who?

So long as it's a liberal democracy.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I just don't know what "world's policeman" means. We're the Brits the previous worlds policeman. The Romans? What does the job entail.

Probably yes the Brits and the Romans at some point. Even though we didn't have globalization in Roman times like we do now.

 

[JB1975]

Read post 6913

Read. Confirmed that there is no global policeman.

Enthralling exchange.

 

[NMBB]

Read. Confirmed that there is no global policeman.

Enthralling exchange.

Stay tuned - the world is a work in progress

 

[JB1975]

Stay tuned - the world is a work in progress

Progress of a sort, in the way one may progress down a highway to hell.

But I'm quite entertained by it all.

 

[Carringbush2010]

A global policeman appointed by no one, acting upon no particular powers or ideals other than self-interest.

Happy to overthrow democracies when it suits, subvert others. Has no hesitation in supporting some of the bloodiest dictatorships around the world.

Pays no attention to international law and will not be bound by it.

A questionable democracy operating according to special interests (i.e. cash), while citizens are given the power to shoot fellow citizens.

Most of the world regards the US as a self-serving power in terminal decline. The notion that it has ever been --let alone remains-- a global policeman is a simple fiction for those who love simple stories.

If it's not a powerful nation throwing their weight around then it'd be another one, right now the US IS the most powerful nation and have puffed their chest out invading countries and such in the guise of defending 'world order'.

It was the Brits before the US doing the same thing.

Was who knows before the brits, in any case this has been going on since time memoriam.

All I can say is, as abhorrent as both have been in their time of power, thank god it hasn't been an oppressive dictatorship instead of self centred rulers of liberal democracies.

 

[leon123]

Hardistan gets my vote - ottoman - paramount leader

Ooooops I did forget about Hardistan, I've reassessed my vote and changed it to the hardest of countries and blokes - Chief Ottoman and Hardistan.

Maybe Kazakhstan could have a role more like a global Sherriff - and get to pick on smaller countries like New Zealand

 

[Carringbush2010]

Read. Confirmed that there is no global policeman.

Enthralling exchange.

Confirmed not officially, but if you think the US haven't been bullying nations and invading them in the guise of defending 'world order' since wwII then you've been living on mars.

When are you flying back JB?

 

[JB1975]

If it's not a powerful nation throwing their weight around then it'd be another one, right now the US IS the most powerful nation and have puffed their chest out invading countries and such in the guise of defending 'world order'.

It was the Brits before the US doing the same thing.

Was who knows before the brits, in any case this has been going on since time memoriam.

All I can say is, as abhorrent as both have been in their time of power, thank god it hasn't been an oppressive dictatorship instead of self centred rulers of liberal democracies.

Yes, nations act in their own self-interest.

Powerful nations can exert their will over others.

There is, though, no such thing as a 'global policeman'.

Yes, Australia is thankful that the US has been a predominant power...because we are allied with them.

 

[NMBB]

Ooooops I did forget about Hardistan, I've reassessed my vote and changed it to the hardest of countries and blokes - Chief Ottoman and Hardistan.

Maybe Kazakhstan could have a role more like a global Sherriff - and get to pick on smaller countries like New Zealand

Approved

 

[Carringbush2010]

Progress of a sort, in the way one may progress down a highway to hell.

But I'm quite entertained by it all.

Yeah that progress has been going on before humans could communicate.