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A different take on the milestone statistics: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#14

Rather than oldest players to have played 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350 and 400 games ...

... Oldest debutants to have played 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350 and 400 games:

400 games - Michael Tuck - 18y 331d
350 games - Craig Bradley - 22y 159d
300 games - Craig Bradley - 22y 159d
200 games - Barry Rowlings - 24y 248d
150 games - ???
100 games - ???
50 games - Harry Harker - 32y 138d

 
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A different take on the milestone statistics: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#14

Rather than oldest players to have played 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350 and 400 games ...

... Oldest debutants to have played 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350 and 400 games:

400 games - Michael Tuck - 18y 331d
350 games - Craig Bradley - 22y 159d
300 games - Craig Bradley - 22y 159d
200 games - Barry Rowlings - 24y 248d
150 games - ???
100 games - ???
50 games - Harry Harker - 32y 138d

250 is John Platten - 23y14d
150 is George Angus - 27y55d
100 is Charlie Norris - 28y344d
 

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*Paul*, spelling error that someone should have picked up before now.

The former player and coach of Hawthorn and coach of the Bulldogs was ALAN Joyce.

I can find no other record of his name being ALLAN Joyce. It does appear that years ago the wikipedia page was incorrectly ALLAN Joyce.

https://afltables.com/afl/stats/players/A/Allan_Joyce.html
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/Allan_Joyce.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Joyce
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/cp-alan-joyce--45
 
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*Paul*, spelling error that someone should have picked up before now.

The former player and coach of Hawthorn and coach of the Bulldogs was ALAN Joyce.

I can find no other record of his name being ALLAN Joyce. It does appear that years ago the wikipedia page was incorrectly ALLAN Joyce.
His name was also spelled as ALLAN in some early editions of The Encyclopedia of AFL Footballers. Maybe some people become confused because of when he took over from Allan Jeans.
 

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Most games between finals

Gms

Player

Fnl#1

Fnl#2

All Gms

Club(s)

Career

254

Jones, Nathan

8

262

264

Me

2006-2018

208

Roos, Paul

104

312

356

Fi,Sy

1982-1998

172

Browning, Mark

57

229

251

Sy

1975-1987

165

Merrett, Roger

131

296

313

Es,Br

1978-1996

164

Mohr, Bill

19

183

195

St

1929-1941

160

Buckley, Nathan

43

203

280

Br,Co

1993-2007

160

Everitt, Peter

115

275

291

St,Ha,Sy

1993-2008

158

Bayes, Mark

61

219

246

Sy

1985-1998

155

Fevola, Brendan

32

187

204

Ca,Br

1999-2010

152

Redden, Jack

10

162

188

Br,WC

2009-2018

150

Eason, Bill

22

172

220

Ge

1902-1915

148

McIvor, Scott

36

184

200

Fi,Br

1985-1997

148

Rocca, Saverio

50

198

257

Co,NM

1992-2006

146

Houlihan, Ryan

36

182

201

Ca

2000-2011

144

Cook, Troy

38

182

193

Sy,Fr

1997-2007

143

Nankervis, Ian J.

40

183

325

Ge

1967-1983

142

Williams, Paul

70

212

306

Co,Sy

1991-2006

141

Patfull, Joel

78

219

220

Br,WS

2006-2016


Most games after last final

Gms

Player

Lst Fnl

Gms

Club(s)

Career

236

Murray, Kevin

97

333

Fi

1955-1974

217

Clegg, Ron

14

231

Sy

1945-1960

213

Round, Barry

115

328

WB,Sy

1969-1985

211

Sarau, Jeff

15

226

St

1973-1983

203

Hampshire, Ian

21

224

Ge,WB

1968-1982

189

Dugdale, John

59

248

NM

1955-1970

182

McLeish, David

31

213

Sy

1969-1980

178

Weightman, Dale

96

274

Ri

1978-1993

172

Fevola, Brendan

32

204

Ca,Br

1999-2010

172

Wilson, Billy P.

13

185

Ri

1944-1954

171

Brown, Nathan G.

48

219

WB,Ri

1997-2009

170

Simmonds, Troy

27

197

Me,Fr,Ri

1999-2010

165

Houlihan, Ryan

36

201

Ca

2000-2011

164

McIvor, Scott

36

200

Fi,Br

1985-1997

163

Davis, Frank

5

168

Me

1964-1973

161

Bowden, Joel

104

265

Ri

1996-2009

160*

Rich, Daniel

23

183

Br

2009-2018

157*

Hooker, Cale

18

175

Es

2008-2018

156

Fields, Neville

44

200

Es,Sy,Es

1969-1982

156

Fowler, Laurie

33

189

Ri,Me

1971-1981

155*

Harbrow, Jarrod

69

224

WB,GC

2007-2018

152

Dwyer, Laurie

49

201

NM

1956-1970

151*

Armitage, David

16

167

St

2007-2018

Hi,
John Dugdale & Laurie Dwyer both played finals in 1958.
 

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Hi,
John Dugdale & Laurie Dwyer both played finals in 1958.
If you look closely there are two tables there. The second one containing Dugdale and Dwyer is "most games since last final".

However when I revisited the query it was apparent something went badly wrong. I've republished the table with fewer entries, and the games counts lowered by 1. Not sure what went wrong, it wasn't a complex calculation.
 
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Patrick Keane tweeted last week that Clarkson was coaching his 333rd game at Hawthorn which drew him level with Allan Jeans, who (according to Keane) coached 333 games at St Kilda. But AFLtables has Jeans down for 332 games with St Kilda.

Similarly, Keane tweeted that Jock McHale coached Collingwood in 714 games, but AFLtables has him down for 713 games.

Not sure if it is easy to verify, and I'm sure the AFL has it wrong, but it would be interesting to see whether adjustments need to be made.
 

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Patrick Keane tweeted last week that Clarkson was coaching his 333rd game at Hawthorn which drew him level with Allan Jeans, who (according to Keane) coached 333 games at St Kilda. But AFLtables has Jeans down for 332 games with St Kilda.

Similarly, Keane tweeted that Jock McHale coached Collingwood in 714 games, but AFLtables has him down for 713 games.

Not sure if it is easy to verify, and I'm sure the AFL has it wrong, but it would be interesting to see whether adjustments need to be made.
I'm not sure about the Clarkson/Jeans situation, but in the McHale case the discrepancy would be explained by the fact that AFL Tables counts Bob Rush as having coached Collingwood in the 1930 Grand Final, while the AFL considers McHale to have been the coach:
https://afltables.com/afl/stats/games/1930/040919301011.html || https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/Bob_Rush.html
https://afltables.com/afl/notes.html : 1930 grand final Bob Rush performed grand final coaching duties as Jock McHale was ill. The AFL has chosen to credit the absent McHale as coach, and not Rush.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/565c9b673977a68eb5d0cb2416ae0674

McHale is credited as coaching 714 games but in dispute is whether the 1930 grand final, when he was in bed ill, should continue to be counted.

Collingwood treasurer Bob Rush took charge of the Magpies that game and gave an inspired speech as the side stormed home to defeat Geelong.

While Rush is credited as having coached one game, the AFL has said that would be corrected before the May milestone, much to the disappointment of Victorian Supreme Court judge Jack Rush, a great nephew of the former Magpie money man.

In this instance, one game does matter, for had McHale not been credited as the coach for the 1930 grand final — the league said there was no official declaration that he was not — Malthouse would break the record in New Zealand a week earlier, when Carlton play St Kilda.
 
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Patrick Keane tweeted last week that Clarkson was coaching his 333rd game at Hawthorn which drew him level with Allan Jeans, who (according to Keane) coached 333 games at St Kilda. But AFLtables has Jeans down for 332 games with St Kilda.

Similarly, Keane tweeted that Jock McHale coached Collingwood in 714 games, but AFLtables has him down for 713 games.

Not sure if it is easy to verify, and I'm sure the AFL has it wrong, but it would be interesting to see whether adjustments need to be made.
I see AFL Tables has Jeans' St Kilda coaching record as 193 W, 138 L and 1 D for 332 games. The AFL Record Season Guide has 193 W, 139 L and 1 D for 333 games.

The discrepancy here must involve Eric Guy. AFL Tables has him coaching 6 games in total: https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/stkilda.html || https://afltables.com/afl/stats/coaches/Eric_Guy.html
AFL Record Season Guide has him coaching 1 game in 1972 (1 W) and 4 in 1974 (2 W, 2 L) for an overall total of 5 games. Jeans was coach from 1961-76 so Guy was obviously filling in.

So, one game in 1974 is counted by AFL Tables as being coached by Guy (one of the 3 losses - almost certainly the one in Rd. 13), but obviously the AFL has Jeans as coach for that game:
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There's some interesting reading here: http://sportandhistory.com/research/caretakercoaches.html

Edit: I've just checked the 2012 AFL Season Guide, and Jeans was on 332 games for St Kilda, Guy on 6 - matching what AFL Tables has. It seems that a few years back the AFL changed this, and AFL Tables (and others) may not be aware it was done.
Strangely, the AFL had (as well as the 1 game in 1972) 1 W and 4 L for the 5 games in 1974 for Guy.
In the 2014 Season Guide it was changed to show 333 games for Jeans, with 4 games for Guy in 1974 (2 W, 2 L - and still the 1 in 1972), just as they have it now.
 
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