Mega Thread All things Tony Abbott

[Lethality]

I'm going to miss him.

 

[Power Raid]

Whether a University is a business or not is a semantic argument.

What the current government proposes is that all Universities should be businesses, whether they want to be or not.

again no

they are bringing the basic concept of value to the sector

 

[Admiral Byng]

You're right, but will Turnbull be able to do that or will they let him?

I don't know. It might see the Liberal party go back to the bad old days of wets versus drys factional politics.

 

[Pie eyed]

Pragmatism will win out against principles any day of the week in politics, for this reason alone the PM is a dead man walking.

Principles are only an asset if they are sound principles.
Abbott believes in a sky fairy...bad foundation...disavows climate change...even worse....and firmly believes he knows what the country wants.
Go read a poll Tony.
We want you gone.

 

[Number37]

again no

they are bringing the basic concept of value to the sector

Really?

You mean like that 'price-signal' they want to introduce to the health sector?

Tell us what the 'basic concept of value' means for the sector?

 

[yibbida]

Am I in the wrong thread?

 

[yibbida]

I think Abbott has more integrity than that. However the guy being talked about as his possible replacement is another story. Turnbull has undermined the government by allowing the ABC to push its left wing agenda day after day. I rather go to the polls than wear that prick, another elitist left wing unelected leader.

Conservative poster wants the ABC to be propoganda for conservative government. Bloody commies.

 

[Lethality]

Wrong. Plus, the last thing Australia needs is the type of government you are advocating. Everyone would be on the dole bludging if that was the case.

Yeah 250 bucks a week, living the dream

 

[AM]

As Keating once spouted if there's a horse in the race called self interest back it cos you know it will be going flat out.

Eventually most will either look at who offers the best chance of winning the next election and for those who stand to lose their seats in a big swing, who will save them. Bishop won't. She was a disaster as shadow treasurer. Turnbull could. He'll end up the leader at some point. Sadly for those of us who are a little left leaning. And if he's prudent, he won't have Bishop on his ticket.

 

[Pessimistic]

Yet the agitators are from WA, whod be in the least trouble electorally

 

[The_Reaper]

Yet the agitators are from WA, whod be in the least trouble electorally

Who would do the dirty work for Bishop?

Jensen got like 64% of the 2PP last election. Randall got like 61% and Simpkins got like 56%.

They're still safe seats.
It's pretty clear that this is Bishop and the WA Liberal party

 

[hoianbulldog]

You don't vote for a leader in this country you vote for a local member and hence a party to govern. This idea that Australia is a US Presidential style government really needs to be knocked on the head.

So you think that the leader of a party that has been the primary focus of an election campaign doesn't influence a voter when they get to the booth? Really?

 

[Gough]

Dastardly plot to install Troy Buswell as PM.

 

[Juddism]

Bronwyn, Julie or both?

Julie...

 

[The_Reaper]

Dastardly plot to install Troy Buswell as PM.

He'd be competent at least.

 

[Lebbo73]

It's funny I have the complete opposite view. The Greens are the closest to my views though obviously not completely in sync, ALP are further away the LNP are determined to see us live like a Third World dictatorship or military junta.

All 3 have this objective

 

[Demonic Ascent]

So you think that the leader of a party that has been the primary focus of an election campaign doesn't influence a voter when they get to the booth? Really?

It probably does but it still doesn't mean that's the way the system is set up - which is why we can have these leadership spills that you won't see in Presidential style countries. Because the "party" is what has been elected and the party can change leaders for whatever reason they deem appropriate.

 

[jasonwilde]

There will be a leadership challenge which is a tragedy. All the Coalition had to do was keep their heads down and arse up, ignore the orchestrated smear campaign against Abbott and keep churning out the message in readiness for the only poll that matters at the next election. Those backbenchers are as pathetic as the union green party.

I'm sure that this little doozy has been quoted a few times already, however, I'm going to quote it again for the LOLs.

 

[jasonwilde]

Well WA is a very backward state.

Fixed

 

[Pie eyed]

Abbott is the common denominator in all of these cases. Once he is removed the taint is gone and we can resume normal government.

Hockey, Brandis, Korman, Abetz, Morrison, Pyne, Bernardi and Bishop (Bronwyn) all have to go before the stink of Abbott even begins to leave the party.
Bishop (Julie) and Turnbull will be very hard pressed to find a cabinet from the left overs.

 

[aCunningPlan]

I would understand the idea that the PM can't be turfed out midterm if he was elected as leader through a primary stype election of the membership, but if was installed as leader by a vote of the parliamentary party he can be removed in the same fashion. The people only get to vote for who they are given, they don't get to choose the best of each party to pit against each other. Abbott has no justification to say the people voted for him, it was his party was elected. And on the whole voting method for the spill motion, if it isn't a secret ballot then this leadership issue will rise again in a few weeks if it falls. If Abbott has any chance at all of getting away with this he needs to conduct the proceedings in the fairest way possible. The media are jumping on absolutely everything, Pyne couldn't even get away with a little c u next tuesday without copping flack for it.

 

[Chameleon75]

Who would do the dirty work for Bishop?

Jensen got like 64% of the 2PP last election. Randall got like 61% and Simpkins got like 56%.

They're still safe seats.
It's pretty clear that this is Bishop and the WA Liberal party

certainly looking that way.

Bishop travels to NY to meet with uncle Rupert (as tone and kev did before assuming leadership) at the time of the knightmare episode.

Rupe starts tweeting, might have aimed it at peta but was directed at tone

bolta questions if the knightmare episode might cost the leadership to tone, introducing the idea of a change, the rest of the media jump on board building momentum.

Now two WA libs call for a spill, on the surface it looks like a coup.

probably would've happened in the last week but I'm guessing mal isn't content with the deputy position.

guess we'll find out Tuesday.

 

[pjcrows]

I would understand the idea that the PM can't be turfed out midterm if he was elected as leader through a primary stype election of the membership, but if was installed as leader by a vote of the parliamentary party he can be removed in the same fashion. The people only get to vote for who they are given, they don't get to choose the best of each party to pit against each other. Abbott has no justification to say the people voted for him, it was his party was elected. And on the whole voting method for the spill motion, if it isn't a secret ballot then this leadership issue will rise again in a few weeks if it falls. If Abbott has any chance at all of getting away with this he needs to conduct the proceedings in the fairest way possible. The media are jumping on absolutely everything, Pyne couldn't even get away with a little c u next tuesday without copping flack for it.

Abbott saying that the people elected him.so they should be able to kick him out will backfire. It's insulting to the backbench as they installed him in the first place.

 

[Power Raid]

Really?

You mean like that 'price-signal' they want to introduce to the health sector?

Tell us what the 'basic concept of value' means for the sector?

I don't see how a degree at Edith Cowan has the same value as that at UWA.

We should look at ways that the concept of value be introduced to education to be respectful of the student and the tax payer who pay for the service and respectful of the universities that provide a superior education outcome. This price signal will help make better decisions and promote competition into the sector.

If done properly, we should see more universities in the top 100 universities globally and may see a top 10 representation.


then again some aren't interested in better services, better education outcomes, value etc; as there is no better value than free shit.

 

[Patrick Bullet]

yep agree, there are plenty of fat cats at our universities

http://www.smh.com.au/national/tert...-10-times-more-than-staff-20130824-2sihh.html


The chief executives of some Australian universities are getting paid up to 10 times as much as their senior lecturers, with the most generous remuneration package last year reaching almost $1.2 million.

The average benefits of the vice-chancellors running the nation's 37 public universities totalled almost $800,000, their annual reports show.

At the top of the list was Macquarie University's Professor Steven Schwartz, who retired last September from a job paying almost $1.2 million a year.

Do you actually think that is what will change for the better if the govt allows course fees to be de regulated? There will be a change alright: 10x will become 20x in no time