List Mgmt. All Trades and Draft Part 2- Draft edition

[random260]

Potential stars ain't gonna win us flags.

Who would you prefer heading into 2020? Tim Kelly, or Cam McCarthy, Billy Hartung and Tom Cutler? I just used the 2013 draft with the same picks we gave up as an example.

1 known elite quantity over maybe 3 future quality any day when you're in the window.

Look he's 26 years old next year. I wouldn't be as mad if he was 22

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Delicious melts

You seem to like being bent over ! Not that there is anything wrong with that....

 

[WCE_phil]

That's so dumb.

What if Fyfe runs over Walters, then careers into a deep ravine and drowns?

You can't deal in hypotheticals.

Yeah but i like your hypothetical.

 

[TY24]

Just because our picks in the 30's in recent times have been hit and miss doesn't mean we should throw them around like confetti. Poor logic.

We didn’t ‘throw them around like confetti’, we used them to get a player who will give us the best chance of winning another premiership.

you say that as if we’ve wasted it on some no namer and not the best young mid in the game.

 

[DanWA]

Agree we paid overs but we can have a solid crack at the flag now

We also did the right thing and got Tim & his family where they want to be

Hoping he stays fit and gives us a solid boost 2020!

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Well, that tells me we are chips all in for Premiership number 5


Maybe even Number 6

 

[DanWCE]

We took Anus in the 30s, yet Rioli in the 50s.

Have faith people.

And Tom Lamb at 32. We'll be fine.

 

[Falco]

Well we cant really trade to get back into the draft now, unless Essendon is intending on helping us out after we gave them a second rounder for a third rounder. Still trying to work that one out. Unless we have someone intending to be traded to them or vice versa?

 

[Ok Boomer]

Ask Geelong if they would prefer all those picks or Tim Kelly.

That should provide the answers for the naysayers in this deal.

We didn’t ‘throw them around like confetti’, we used them to get a player who will give us the best chance of winning another premiership.

you say that as if we’ve wasted it on some no namer and not the best young mid in the game.

I'm fine with the deal, stoked to get Kelly, but I don't agree with some of the logic used by some here, being that just because with have drafted some "duds" at 30-40 recently we should be happy to be without it.

 

[Scotland]

For those posters upset that we appear to be paying overs and that we could/should have held out to force a more favourable deal, spare a thought for Tim Kelly and his family

I’ve been anxiously waiting news about this trade, hopeful that this time we’d succeed in bringing him to the club. Ultimately it’s something that has zero impact on my life so I can only imagine how it must have been for Kelly given the massive impact this trade will have on him. It must have been nerve racking, especially after having gone through last year without getting his desired result

I’ve no doubt a factor in this trade would have been the desire to get it done early to alleviate any anxiety for Kelly and his family. If that has meant we’ve conceded a little more in negotiations then so be it

Can’t wait until this becomes official

Devil's advocate...

The more you pay the more pressure you place in the importance of the outcome. Hawthorn gave up 23, 36 and a future first (7) and second (26) round pick to get Jaeger O'Meara who played 6 games in his first year. He's been good since, but he's not a top calibre midfielder in the AFL and I'm not sure he will be after his knee injuries.

My biggest concern is that Kelly is a one hit wonder. If we got 5 years of a guy that is actually as good as Dangerfield then we would be laughing, but he isn't at that level. I'm not expecting him to be a dud but Angus Brayshaw polled 21 Brownlow votes last year and 0 this year. Rory Laird polled 19 last year and 2 this year. Shane Edwards and Shaun Higgins were in the AA side last year, where were they this year?

If he's just as good as some of the guys we already have (which is where I see him as a player) is it still worth it? If he does a Jack Redden and has a slow start with the fans/media turn on him? I don't know what others' expectations are but I am not expecting a Lachie Neale/Patrick Dangerfield level recruit impact from him next year. Injury permitting I expect he will play every game for us and be around the top 5 of the B&F. If he turns up, wins the Brownlow and B&F etc. then I am more than happy to be wrong in my assessment, but I don't think he is that good.

While you should only judge any pick(s) for player trade on the value of the pick(s) at the time, the more picks involved the more chance one of them becomes a good player. Geelong might go full Geelong and use the first rounders on duds and then draft stars at 24 and 33 and we'll never hear the end of it. Though this doesn't matter, only on field success for WC matters.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Tim Kelly is Tim Kelly, but mid round picks could be anything. They could even be Tim Kelly!

 

[Matera92]

Gotta love the hysterical crying 'WE SOLD THA FARRM".

Without a low end first round pick we had to find a way to satisfy Geelong without giving away any players.


We got a top 10 midfielder for a bunch of speculative picks, we've done well.

We've strengthened our premiership chances next year immeasurably.

 

[Bluke]

We currently only have two selections in the national draft (52, 64). My understanding was all teams must take three selections in the national draft? Can someone confirm?

I can only assume that West Coast are now / have to trade back into the 2019 draft some how.

 

[kempy]

Is the thread title actually Tim Kelly+ All Tirades ...? Fair bit of bed wetting and toy throwing going on here.



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[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Crazy Vozzo jumped the shark, one last crazy deal before Glassy puts the clamps on.

Too bad vosso has hamstrung him next year

 

[Priddis Is Done]

What would Kelly have cost if contracted?

 

[GWeagles]

Vic media reporting rift in the Eagles yet?

 

[Shmiddy15]

Simmo and Kelly are having a press conference as we speak.

 

[KERRPOW]

WCE definelty bent over in this trade but meh .. its not like we gave away 2 top 10 picks.

Just hope this doesnt set a precident for future trades that we roll over too easily.

 

[Shmiddy15]

 

[gazzathegreat]

i just dont understand why people are melting. We havent given up 3 picks inside the top 10. A pick in the teens, twenties and 30’s. Big whoop.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

It feels like giving up pick 33 was too much but there again when we need inside mids and our recruiters come up with Ainsworth at 32 and Foley at 31, I suggest that we would just waste it.

 

[A Cut Above]

Congratulations guys, I would love to see you meet the Handbaggers in a final next year and rip them a new one with Tim Kelly BOG.

All the best for 2020!

 

[Shmiddy15]

 

[Chad in Vegas]

These are the real stats:

Gaff - 3
Shuey - 8
Sheed - 16
Yeo - 11
Redden - 0

Total: 38

I've always thought of Shuey as a goal kicking mid for some reason but looking at the stats he really hasn't been since 14/15