List Mgmt. All Trades and Draft Part 2- Draft edition

[ClayB]

Great news, Schoey should get to 200 games with any luck

 

[Chris_6678]

Stoked Schoey gets a year. Watson deserves another few years after showing a bit in his few games.

 

[Avalor]

I'm probably in the minority but i dont think geelong have lost too much for next year. Steven will go some way to filling the gap left by kelly and jenkins will split time between the forward line and ruck,both needs for the cats.
They also really strengthened their draft hand for the next 2 drafts which will help rejuvenate their aging list

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Agree. Stevens already looks in better shape than a month ago - I think he will come back as good as ever. Unfortunately, they will be in contention again.

 

[FreeTK]

Agree. Stevens already looks in better shape than a month ago - I think he will come back as good as ever. Unfortunately, they will be in contention again.

Steven will cover some of the hole that TK leaves, and they have a significant HGA which mean you can bank on them winning 7-8 of the home games at GMHBA. I tend to think that they will go backwards slightly, but not so much that they miss out on making the 8.

I could see them having a 2018 type season and finishing in the lower half of the 8 and going out in first week once they have to play a good team somewhere other than GMHBA.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Will wants another one

 

[Keys]

Great news, Schoey should get to 200 games with any luck

Great that Schoey has officially signed on

Watson I thought was already contracted but maybe because his upgrade to the main list has been confirmed it’s been renegotiated. Interesting that it’s only a year though

Still no word on Achee

 

[FatPizza]

Great news, Schoey should get to 200 games with any luck

Happy for Frankie!

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Is Watson's contract only until the end of next season then?

It would have been nice to offer him a bit more security, especially after the year he's had on and off field. A happy Watson will be a good player for the club.

 

[Ok Boomer]

No brainer to elevate Watson given our draft picks.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

That's a joke. If that sort of thing become more common then they might as well do away with the draft altogether. The academy system is out of control, I would prefer that the whole thing was scrapped.

Disagree. It encourages clubs to invest in grass roots footy not just blow more and more of their funds on players and coaches.

A rich club like the eagles has the means to really exploit this system. We should be picking up academy talent in more years than not if we do it right.

 

[Dylan82]

***LONG POST INCOMING***

Clubs essentially get one opportunity per year to improve their list through either trades, the draft or a combination of the two. The trade period is complete so clubs will have looked to have brought a player(s) in, kept required players and position themselves as best as possible in the draft given their ladder position and net player gains/losses

Going through what each club has done I’m pretty comfortable with our efforts which was basically selling the farm for Tim Kelly. There’s a valid argument that we gave too much and should have pushed for a better deal to retain one of our second round picks. I’d counter that there was no guarantee Geelong would have conceded any ground and prolonging negotiations would have caused undue stress to Kelly and his family and opened the door for Fremantle to get involved.

In any case the deal is done and rather than ponder what might have been let’s consider that if improving the list is the main goal we’ve just added a player in the top echelon of the competition. We’ve gone all in on another premiership tilt by addressing our main weakness (the midfield) at the expense of trading out of this years draft and the first round of next years.

It’s a risk, but a calculated one given we’ve invested heavily in recent drafts. In comparison to other clubs I feel we’ve done particularly well and in the wider AFL community our trade period is considered to be among the best. Personally I think we’ve done better than anyone after going through each clubs efforts detailed below

•Adelaide
In - Frampton plus picks 37,45,49,2020 2nd(WB),4th(GC),4th(Carl)
Out - Ellis-Yolman, Betts, Jacobs, Greenwood, Keath, Jenkins and 2020 3rd
Draft - 4,23,28,37,45,49
Lost a raft of players that will kill their depth and in reality got little back in the way of quality draft picks. They do get a future 2nd from the bulldogs but have also traded out their future 3rd and I doubt the difference between those will be much. I hope Matthew Nicks brings a kick ass fire extinguisher with him to put out a dumpster fire that’s bordering on out of control.

•Brisbane
In - Achee, Birchall, Ellis-Yolman plus picks 48,52,72,2020 3rd(Ess)
Out - Cutler, Taylor plus picks 46,91,2020 2nd & 4th
Draft - 16,21,34,48,52,55,72
Some potentially handy players coming in without losing much the other way. Have a couple of handy draft picks still without compromising 2020 to any significant degree. For a side that finished H&A in 2nd spot steady as she goes is a good approach given that their young list should improve organically

•Carlton
In - Betts, Pittonet plus picks 57,70
Out - Phillips plus picks 48,72,2020 4th
Draft - 9,43,57,79,85
Given that there’s a good chance they’ll get Martin in the PSD for free their trade period will improve a little. It needs to because otherwise it’s pretty shit. Carlton finished 16th and have swapped backup rucks, brought in a 33 year old with maybe one decent year of footy left in him and have just one pick in the first 40. They also failed to prise Papley away from Sydney despite chasing him hard albeit it was always going to be difficult since he was contracted as we discovered last year with Kelly. Not a great result

•Collingwood
In - Cameron plus picks 62,2020 2nd & 4th (StK)
Out - Aish plus picks 56,69,2020 3rd
Draft - 35,62,74
What’s the opposite of balanced. Collingwood. They’ve got all their eggs in the midfield basket thanks to the unplanned acquisition of Beams who not only cost them last years and this years first round picks but has put unnecessary pressure on their salary cap. Basically gave Aish away in a salary dump and brought in a ruckman they don’t really need unless Grundy gets injured and if he does they’re f’ed anyway. First pick is 35 without bringing anyone in so their list goes nowhere this off season. Oh and they still reportedly have salary cap issues heading into 2020

•Essendon
In - Cutler, Phillips plus picks 33,61,64
Out - Picks 37,52,70,2020 3rd
Draft - 31,33,61,64,65,88
When you’re biggest achievement is retaining a contracted, injury prone forward that wanted out and you get congratulated for it then the bar is set pretty low. Two players that aren’t best 22, a nil all draw on picks in/out and nothing but two low 30 picks in the first three rounds of the draft. Good luck with that

•Fremantle
In - Acres, Aish plus picks 10,22,58,69,79,2020 2nd(Mel) & 3rd(Coll)
Out - Hill, Langdon plus picks 26,2020 3rd & 4th
Draft - 7,10,22,58,69,79,83
When you finish 13th and lose two of your top 5 in the B&F you’d expect to have something decent coming back. Aish and Acres are handy foot soldiers but a significant drop off from Hill and Langdon. Freo do have a handy draft hand at the pointy end with two top 10 picks and enough cover with 22 to match a bid on Henry if/when a bid in the teens comes through. Could get tricky if a bid comes before 10 though. The rebuild is 4 years and counting

•Geelong
In - Steven, Jenkins plus picks 14,24,2020 1st(WC) & 3rd(GC)
Out - Kelly, Smith plus picks 57,2020 3rd
Draft - 14,17,24,36,93
Lost the best player of the trade period but got a handy raft of draft picks in return. Jenkins was gifted to them but it’s hard to see where he fits in a forwardline that already has Hawkins and Ratagulea. Steven is low risk/high reward and will be a more than capable replacement for Kelly in the short term if he can get back to his best although that’s far from guaranteed. Four picks inside the first 40 plus our 2020 first is a decent start on rejuvenating an aging list. I hate to admit but they’ve made the best of a bad situation with Kelly wanting out

•Gold Coast
In - Ellis, Greenwood, Smith plus picks 2020 2nd & 4th (Bris)
Out - Achee plus picks 58,2020 3rd & 4th
Draft - 1,2,15,20,78,90
Cut their nose off to spite their face by not agreeing to a trade for Martin and will now likely lose him for donuts which will keep Dew fed for a day or two. Ellis and Greenwood were good mature bodied pickups as free agents but losing Achee for a couple of future picks is just more evidence of a failed development system. Get another good draft hand thanks to being shit and the AFL’s generosity. Best news for them was extending Kings contract. Hopefully this reboot works but I doubt it.

•GWS
In - Jacobs plus picks 6,40,59,2020 3rd(NM)
Out - Bonar, Patton, Tomlinson plus picks 12,18,2020 4th
Draft - 6,40,59,60,80,94
The revolving door of high draft picks to Victorian clubs continues unabated but this time not much came back. Pick 6 leaves them in a tricky spot as it’s likely a bid comes on their academy prospect (Greene) before then especially with Sydney holds pick 5. May have been better off holding 12 and 18 rather than trading up for 6. Not a great trade period to be honest and their draft cache isn’t great

•Hawthorn
In - Frost, Patton plus picks 42,54,63
Out - Birchall, Pittonet plus picks 50, 2020 2nd
Draft - 11,30,42,54,63,87,92
Another year another bargain buy from GWS and another premiership star out the door for a bag of chips. Frost is handy and Patton could be a master stroke or a bust depending on his recovery. Picks 11,30 and 42 is something half decent to take to the draft. Hawthorn are in danger of treading water where they’re competitive but fall short of genuinely contending

•Melbourne
In - Langdon, Tomlinson plus picks 8,2020 2nd (Haw) & 4th (Freo)
Out - Frost plus picks 22,42,61,79,2020 1st, 2nd & 4th
Draft - 3,8
Get a couple of handy mids, another top 10 pick to go with pick 3 but then walk away from anything else meaningful in the draft as well as trading out their future first. If you take the view that Melbourne are a good side that had a poor 2019 then they’ve positioned themselves pretty well to top up their list. However, if you think that 2018 was the aberration and their list needs serious work then the two inclusions won’t make a huge difference and they’ll need to absolutely nail those two picks because they don’t get another crack until Fremantles 2020 2nd rounder

•North Melbourne
In - Bonar plus picks 26,50,2020 1st & 4th(Melb)
Out - Picks 8, 2020 3rd
Draft - 26,27,47,50,73,84
Fair to say they don’t rate the top end of this draft preferring to trade out their first pick (8) for Melbourne future 1st plus a 2nd & 3rd round this year. Got a Bonar for the equivalent of a second hand playboy mag which may prove a steal. Will be joining HoneyBadger35 as he death rides the demons in 2020

•Port Adelaide
In - 12,18,2020 3rd (StK), 4th(GWS)
Out - Howard, Ryder, Frampton plus picks 10,2020 4th
Draft - 12,18,29,66,67,68,71,86
Split 10 into 12 and 18 which is good business until you consider that they also traded out Howard and Ryder along with it. Now Ryder is kinda cooked but Howard has shown a fair bit so understandably Port fans are livid. Another club in limbo - haven’t improved their list and traded away a good talent for marginal draft gains

•Richmond
In - Picks 39,56
Out - Ellis, Butler
Draft - 19,38,39,41,56,75,77,95
Lost a bit of depth but when you have arguably the deepest list in the comp it doesn’t really hurt especially when players like Stack and Pickett were brought in last year for less than nothing. Get a couple of half decent cracks in the draft to roll the dice. Sometimes less is more and Richmond didn’t need to do anything other than keep the gang together which by and large they have

•St Kilda
In - Hill, Jones, Howard, Ryder, Butler plus picks 51,2020 4ths (PA and Syd)
Out - Steven, Acres, Bruce plus picks 6,59,76, 2020 2nd, 3rd & 4th
Draft - 51,76,82
The busiest club this trade period and most popular pick as the winner of trade week. Fair play to the Saints - they identified players to target and (eventually) got the deals done including the tricky task of prying a contracted Hill away from a reluctant Fremantle. Hill is a star, Jones a more than handy outside runner to pair him with, Howard an exciting KPP talent and Butler a capable small forward. Ryder might be useful but he struggled at Port. All in all a decent haul and somewhat easy to see why they’ve been handed the ubiquitous title of trade week champions, until you look at the other side of the ledger. Pick 6 is gone and they’re the last club to enter this years draft with pick 51, they do have their 2020 first in tact but then skip to a pair of fourth rounders attached to port and Sydney. Also departing is Bruce who I rate as a more than capable 2nd tall forward who can take a grab and an under utilised Acres. Then we come to the subject of Jack Steven. He was a non-event in 2019 due to his mental health issues but prior to that he was a gun - Victorian draft commentary has lauded Wells as a genius for replacing Kelly with Steven on the cheap which may be true, but if it is you then have to mark down the Saints for allowing him to walk for virtually nothing. Like us St Kilda have traded out of this years draft and a sizeable chunk of next years. Unlike us they haven’t been able to retain players which negates the value of those they’ve acquired. In my opinion they’ve had the most over rated trade week

•Sydney
In - Taylor plus picks 32,76,2020 3rd(Freo)
Out - Jones, Cameron plus picks 54,62,63,2020 4th
Draft - 5,25,32,44,81
Widely criticised for not landing Daniher which to my mind is unfair. Essendon, as is their wont, attached a hefty price to their contracted player and in reality Sydney were right to walk away. Pick 5 & 9 had they got that pick from Carlton for Papley was overs for a injury prone forward regardless of his undoubted talent, as were the players Essendon were asking for in lieu of draft picks. And if you’re going to pat Essendon on the back for refusing to trade Joe then you need to do the same to Sydney for retaining Papley. Jones is a loss partly offset by the acquisition of Taylor but they go to the draft with 3 picks inside 32 so this trade period isn’t the disaster for Sydney some would have you believe

•Bulldogs
In - Bruce, Keath plus pick 2020 3rd(Adel)
Out - 32,45,51,2020 2nd
Draft - 13,53,89
My choice as winner of trade week for what it’s worth. Brought in a couple of solid KPPs to bookend one of the best midfields in the comp. Addressed a weakness whilst retaining their first round pick this year and next, instead giving up a handful of mid-range draft picks for two mature bodied players that are instantly best 22. Very tidy work from the bullies that could set them up for a real crack next year

I did warn you that it was a long post and if you’ve skipped to the end then

TLDR - we bossed trade week and the rest sucked.

Up the bloody coasters

Quality post and analysis - cheers for this.

now likely lose him for donuts which will keep Dew fed for a day or two.

Did laugh.

 

[Scotland]

Disagree. It encourages clubs to invest in grass roots footy not just blow more and more of their funds on players and coaches.

A rich club like the eagles has the means to really exploit this system. We should be picking up academy talent in more years than not if we do it right.

It encourages clubs to develop their own players - which goes against the fundamental reason behind having a draft in the first place which is equalisation. Sam Walsh isn't at Carlton because he chose to be, he's there because he was the best player in the U/18s and they came last.

The recent NBA draft was all about Zion Williamson. Apparently the next NFL draft is all about 2 or 3 QBs. From memory New Orleans had picks 1 and 4 after the Anthony Davis trade then ended up with 1, 8 and 17 after trading out pick 4. How ridiculous would it be if the consensus #1 pick was a 'Pelicans academy player' and they could pick RJ Barrett/Ja Morant at #1 and then just cash in 8 and 17 when Memphis inevitably "pick" Williamson at #2? That's essentially how the AFL system works. Freo are in a great spot this year because they have picks 7 and 10 and Liam Henry is expected to go just after that. So they can take the best two kids available at 7 and 10 whether from WA, Vic, SA or anywhere else that they didn't have anything to do with developing and then if a bid comes for Henry at 11 they can just cash in a couple of picks in the 20s. IMO all the system really encourages is teams manipulating their picks around pre draft player ratings.

Every club will have their turn to exploit the system. Jarrod Cameron was only pick 39 so not that highly rated but was playing WAFL Colts for Swan Districts in 2016/17. Is he really that different to Jordan Clark or Ian Hill?

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Hope that Watson gets plenty of opportunities next year. Looked very impressive in his 2 games.

 

[Dylan82]

So where's Ah Chee?

He was one of only two Eagles to remain undefeated at senior level this year (Watson being the other).

The record speaks for itself - the club had an average winning margin of 91 points when Ah Chee was selected during 2019.

 

[bombard]

So where's Ah Chee?

He was one of only two Eagles to remain undefeated at senior level this year (Watson being the other).

The record speaks for itself - the club had an average winning margin of 91 points when Ah Chee was selected during 2019.

What I don't understand, Brendon, is how you manage to keep up your football regimen AND post your analysis on here. I hope you have a big preseason by the way mate!

 

[eagles rule]

That's a joke. If that sort of thing become more common then they might as well do away with the draft altogether. The academy system is out of control, I would prefer that the whole thing was scrapped.

The academy developed players are only just getting starting and we did get Jarrod Cameron so it will have some benefits..


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[Eastcoasteagle]

Interesting to see what happens with category B rookie spots this year. We haven't been able to nail one yet.

 

[WCErevival]

So where's Ah Chee?

He was one of only two Eagles to remain undefeated at senior level this year (Watson being the other).

The record speaks for itself - the club had an average winning margin of 91 points when Ah Chee was selected during 2019.

 

[FKASC]

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Author/illustrator should be Dartin Handball

 

[its_dave]

Watson and Schofield resign. Just keeps getting better since TK signing. Now where’s that Mosswood 2004?

 

[Ishmael_]

One upside of having such a weak draft hand is that hopefully, we'll take a punt on some more speculative talent in the Rookie draft/SSP/Mid-season draft.

It's really the only way we can improve our rock-solid list as we don't have the picks or the money for any more guns and we have enough cheap vanilla in the WAFL for injury cover.

 

[its_dave]

I mean re sign. 2020 with Watson,Brander, Cameron and Rotham looks pretty exciting

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Can Rioli be placed on our Rookie List?

 

[BartBart]

He can still get somewhere as a delisted free agent.

Shame for him GC didn't trade for him.
And we could have got a throw away pick like 78 which would have been an upgrade on our 2nd pick.

 

[LittleGreekGod]

Watson and Schofield resign. Just keeps getting better since TK signing. Now where’s that Mosswood 2004?

2006 is better