Andrew Otten

[alex_is_on_fire]

walker will play 22 gamrs and finals next year. Pele get sucked in to roochs crap but forget that he played 18 games last year. How many other key position 19 year olds did that?

It was simply a throw-a-way line.

 

[Geoffa32]

It was simply a throw-a-way line.

Like the Craptiser

 

[Crow-mo]

3rd tall back. if he's ready for mid, which I'm not sure I see it'll be obvious. he has plenty of opportunity to generate run from down back and if he does, then we can decide to push him up a bit if we want.

 

[Allefgib]

I know you're a stevens fan CM... where do we play him if Otten is our 3rd tall?

 

[Schulzycrow]

If Ottens is everyones first choice as 3rd tall down back... where does that leave Scotty Stevens

(sub sub sub sub....)

Was thinking the very same thing...A fit and firing Otto gives the selection comm a slight headache. You would like him as a third tall as he gives drive from the backline. Had this realization when doing the Team Round 1 thread. Interesting that he has been doing midfield drills, maybe on a wing.

192cm running midfeilder would also be a good thing too. Which ever way they go Otto is in the side round 1. Gives us more of that flexibility...

 

[Crow-mo]

I know you're a stevens fan CM... where do we play him if Otten is our 3rd tall?

I don't think there is any shortage of options with Stevens. Ottens is a 3rd man up rather than a man on man defender. depending on matchups, Stevens could take ChB, an mid marking tall from the opposition etc.

ignoring that we can switch him forward, and that Tambling is in Mcleod's spot, we never struggle to fit him in with bock rutten & otten in 2009 and now we're minus bock.

personally I see no room for symes, with Otten taking his slot in the back 6 and he and stevo switching depending on matchups.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Otto should definitely resume in the position that he is most comfortable with at AFL level, which is HB

However with that said I have no doubt that he will eventually move to the midfield..........

 

[Allefgib]

I don't think there is any shortage of options with Stevens. Ottens is a 3rd man up rather than a man on man defender. depending on matchups, Stevens could take ChB, an mid marking tall from the opposition etc.

ignoring that we can switch him forward, and that Tambling is in Mcleod's spot, we never struggle to fit him in with bock rutten & otten in 2009 and now we're minus bock.

personally I see no room for symes, with Otten taking his slot in the back 6 and he and stevo switching depending on matchups.

haha well played sir. (re symes)

davis not in CHB most the season for you?

 

[AFC979810]

haha well played sir. (re symes)

davis not in CHB most the season for you?

I think Davis showed a lot in 2010, however not sure if he will survive a whole season at CHB...Think he will get moved forward for about 2-3 games and will need a few weeks off for rest...

Still too young and skinny to hold down the key positiion all year.

 

[Big Gazoongas]

Tambling and Otten to rotate makes sense. Symes is missing from that list. like it it or not he is in the best 22[/quote]

Cant agree with this.
Whilst Symes gets into the right position to get the ball and at times is very good in and under the pack he makes far too may errors. His execution by foot and decision making have been shocking.
For mine he no longer is nor can he be considered in our best 22.

 

[Crows Feet]

Tambling and Otten to rotate makes sense. Symes is missing from that list. like it it or not he is in the best 22[/quote]

Cant agree with this.
Whilst Symes gets into the right position to get the ball and at times is very good in and under the pack he makes far too may errors. His execution by foot and decision making have been shocking.
For mine he no longer is nor can he be considered in our best 22.

The coaches seem to like what he brings to the table though. I expect he'll play most games on the wing opposite Mackay.

 

[Mad Fan of AFL]

I just hope Otten can come back strongly whatever position on the field he plays. He showed alot of promise in 2009, i just hope he can return not only to that form but improve. I like Ottens off the half back but i liked what i saw as an attacking half forward in his first two games despite looking a bit overwhelmed.

 

[Mismatched]

Firstly, can we change the title of this thread to Otten's real name? His name is Andy Otten, not Andrew Otten.

Just on Otten, will probably have to work his way back through our backline, but I think he'll likely move into a more attacking role eventually on the wing. I would discount him spending some time up forward either, we haven't really seen him spend much time up forward, but he has a number of tools which could make him quite dangerous up there.

I think Davis showed a lot in 2010, however not sure if he will survive a whole season at CHB...Think he will get moved forward for about 2-3 games and will need a few weeks off for rest...

Still too young and skinny to hold down the key positiion all year.

Yeah, I'm not so certain Davis is as entrenched in the 22 as our CHB as many believe him to be, he is no doubt the incumbent CHB, but I just wonder how long it will stay that way.

For mine Davis appears to be a tall and skinny version of Rutten, he's a good shut down defender, cool and calm under pressure. However, he isn't particularly attacking, he doesn't offer much, if any, run from defence.

One of the real hallmarks of the Craig gameplan since he has taken over is that run from defence. Our entire gameplan has pretty much been based on turning defence into attack, with our backline providing plenty of run and setting up our offensive movements. If our defence includes Rutten, Stevens and Davis, we have 3 players who are defensively very good, but aren't going to provide much in the way of line breaking run.

We've just lost 3 players who excelled in this department in Bock, Goodwin and McLeod and we picked up Tambling because we sensed there could be a weakness in this respect. I wonder whether we might try to find the next Nathan Bock, as opposed to just settling for a bloke who's a good shutdown defender.

Personally, I see a lot of Nathan Bock in James Sellar, having watched Sellar training as a defender last preseason and then the odd occasion he's actually been allowed to play there, whilst defensively he's not as good as Davis, he appears to understand how to "run the other way" and make himself dangerous, if he can improve the defensive side of his game over this preseason, I think he may lay down a pretty strong challenge to Davis, there's also the added bonus that he could work as a 2nd ruck too.

The other I'm interested to see come on is Luke Thompson. There's been some glowing reports coming out of the SANFL and he appears to move extremely well for a bloke his size and again, appears to have the willingness to run off of his opponent. Forwards hate having to chase their opponents and being dictated too. As a defender, if you can run off your opponent, you can draw him out of position, make him worry about you as opposed to worrying about how to kick his next goal.

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Davis, at the moment I'm just not sure that a backline of Rutten, Stevens and Davis is the best fit. Also, when I look long term I'm not sure I see Davis as a defender. He's no doubt a competent defender, I don't think we'll see the best of him as a defender. However, in time, I think he'll show himself to be quite a dangerous forward, he just needs to put on a bit of weight, at the moment he's too light to be too dangerous as a forward and lacks the speed to counteract this(see Jarrad Grant). The only issue will be whether he fits into a forward line with Walker and Tippett. It will be interesting, but a good position to be in no doubt.

The coaches seem to like what he brings to the table though. I expect he'll play most games on the wing opposite Mackay.

I think it'll be very interesting to see where Symes fits if we have a full side to pick from, I suspect that he may struggle to find a place in our side, with the selectors favouring the likes of Otten, Sloane, Martin, Jaensch, Petrenko and perhaps even Armstrong or Cook. Symes is a courageous player, good attitude and what not, he just doesn't have the weapons to make himself into anything more than an average, depth player.

 

[Crow-mo]

haha well played sir. (re symes)

davis not in CHB most the season for you?

depends on matchups etc. that said, I am of the camp that thinks Davis' talents will be wasted if he doesn't develop forward eventually.

Dangerfield is still my choice for CHB, luke hodge style.

As someone else said, I am not sure Davis has the body strength yet to be a permanent chb either. to be honest I think there is someone overlap at the moment between what Davis & Otten bring, both are less 1 on 1 defenders but have good positioning, and timing.

Otten slightly more mobile, Davis stronger overhead.

 

[Crow-mo]

The coaches seem to like what he brings to the table though. I expect he'll play most games on the wing opposite Mackay.

but he's not a wingman as it is, why would he start now?

 

[Coopers]

B: Johncock, Rutten, Stevens
HB: Doughty, Davis, Tambling

Backline is pretty safe. Midfield is where we have the biggest problems.

You still need another two players to rotate through those running half back roles throughout a game.

And you probably need another couple on the list to hedge against injury.

So I expect Otto to be in the backline, with stints elsewhere.

 

[Crows Feet]

but he's not a wingman as it is, why would he start now?

Pace mostly. Plus the true wing position isn't how it used to be, it's now more of a half back flanker that starts further up the ground.

 

[Crow-mo]

Pace mostly. Plus the true wing position isn't how it used to be, it's now more of a half back flanker that starts further up the ground.

with his excretable decision making and disposal, you do not want to start him further up the ground.

there is no way he'll start anywhere near the wing. What he does kinda ok is run straight and hard, and its not clear that's enough.

 

[fabs33]

For mine Davis appears to be a tall and skinny version of Rutten, he's a good shut down defender, cool and calm under pressure. However, he isn't particularly attacking, he doesn't offer much, if any, run from defence.

Whilst I agree with you I do however believe that this is one area that he will improve in with time. Davis seems to take his footy very seriously, and his dedication to his role as a shut down defender in detriment to other areas of his game is perhaps a reflection of this. I noticed that you didn't mention Talia, he is one player who could be ideal (long term) for the CHB position. Talia certainly seems to have the size, athleticism and endurance to mind a forward and run off him if need be.

 

[Huntercrow]

I wonder if NC would be tempted to play Andy in the SANFL until after the second round bye.
He hasn't played since his courageous non mark against Eddiewood which is now ancient history.

Ease him in and then run him off the bench.
We have plenty of other options in the meantime and it could be a long season all going well.

 

[taylor_walker_13]

That mark in the 09 semi would have entered Crows folklore........

Pity it was ruined by SLOW Rutten

 

[AFC979810]

Firstly, can we change the title of this thread to Otten's real name? His name is Andy Otten, not Andrew Otten.

Real name is actually Andrew Otten.

 

[Allefgib]

Seriously guys... how long has it been since he went under the knife?

Since then he's being nothing BUT get ready to play footy. He'll play pre-season games... if he plays as well as we expect to in them why on earth would we want to bring him back through the sub position or SANFL. He'll be well and truely ready physically. Why give him a chance to increase any mental doubts?

I'd be shocked to see him perform well in the pre-season and then not be a certain starter round 1. We missed him incredibly last year - straight back in.

 

[Allefgib]

depends on matchups etc. that said, I am of the camp that thinks Davis' talents will be wasted if he doesn't develop forward eventually.

Dangerfield is still my choice for CHB, luke hodge style.

As someone else said, I am not sure Davis has the body strength yet to be a permanent chb either. to be honest I think there is someone overlap at the moment between what Davis & Otten bring, both are less 1 on 1 defenders but have good positioning, and timing.

Otten slightly more mobile, Davis stronger overhead.

hmmmm not sure danger reads the game well enough to play a Hodge type role across CHB. I'd love to see him coming off the HB line but in a less accountable role ideally.

Wouldn't mind seeing it as an experiment.

If Davis can develop as a 'good' key forward at all this season then I think some serious thought should go into some trading antics. No point keeping Davis, Walker, Tippett all as key position forwards when our midfield isn't first rate.

 

[cmndstab]

I see Otten playing down back, in the third tall position, with Davis at CHB. Rutten obviously lines up at full back. Our starting three small/mid defenders are Johncock, Doughty, and van Berlo to reprise the role down back rather than moving back to the midfield. Stevens comes through as a floating half back, and is first go-to man if Davis or Otten are struggling - if Davis proves to not yet be ready to step up into the CHB role, then Stevens gets moved to CHB for the remainder of the year, with Davis taking the third tall, and Otten becoming the loose man in defence. Martin and Mackay rotate through the backlines. Young (assuming he doesn't play the defensive forward role again) as tall emergency, Symes as mid-sized emergency, Petrenko as small emergency. Hopefully Talia joins the emergency list later on.

Don't see Tambling playing there, I think he's more likely to sit on a wing fairly permanently.