Another Gangland Hit in Melb

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Runknisse
HE HE HE. You can just see it too.

He comes home from a night out with the boys and there's the old man standing in the bathroom with nothing but a robe, slippers and a stern look on his face. His outstretched hand hold a small plastic cup.
"Wizz into this Boy!"

Although the flipside (of having parents in the drug squad) is that you would also get a constant supply of cheap yet high quality cocaine, so it all evens out in the end.

 

[Tinker]

Originally posted by gPhonque


Although the flipside (of having parents in the drug squad) is that you would also get a constant supply of cheap yet high quality cocaine, so it all evens out in the end.

Watch your mouth. Neither of my parents were quite the Nazi's you portray and neither have ever been involved in any drug activities, other than locking up the scumbags who make and deal it.

Any suggestion or implication otherwise is defamatory.

 

[Runk]

Originally posted by Tinker
Watch your mouth. Neither of my parents were quite the Nazi's you portray and neither have ever been involved in any drug activities, other than locking up the scumbags who make and deal it.

Any suggestion or implication otherwise is defamatory.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
That's hilarious.

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by JUBJUB
If you saw Carl Williams walking down the street,you'd run like hell in the opposite direction.

Just make sure you weren't carrying a bag of donuts, or he'd chase you!

He obviously doesn't "get high off his own supply" because noone on amphetamines is that fat!!

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by Tinker
Watch your mouth. Neither of my parents were quite the Nazi's you portray and neither have ever been involved in any drug activities, other than locking up the scumbags who make and deal it.

Any suggestion or implication otherwise is defamatory.

Tosser alert!

What are you going to do? get mummy and daddy to arrest this poster?

 

[Captain Sensible]

Originally posted by Tinker


Anyone who thinks christine Nixon has a clue what's going on needs to think again - a politically correct appointment that has sent VP backwards.

And this isnt defamatory?




Next time you throw stones make sure you move well away from the glasshouse.

 

[Bombers 2003]

Re: Re: Re: Another Gangland Hit in Melb

Originally posted by JUBJUB
If this happened in the US,there would've been half a dozen tele-movies already made.

And 1 very bad series,Sopranos.

 

[Bombers 2003]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
Tosser alert!

 

[Bobby Giovanni]

The incident was captured on security camera, and the gunmen are in full view, but obviously disguised.

 

[JUBJUB]

Originally posted by Bobby Giovanni
The incident was captured on security camera, and the gunmen are in full view, but obviously disguised.

I wonder if Toni Pearen can get hold of the tape.

 

[GoalsFrom50Out]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Another Gangland Hit in Melb

Originally posted by Bombers 2003
And 1 very bad series,Sopranos.

Blasphemy!!

 

[Harry Bosch]

Originally posted by CharlieG
Who steps into the vacuum once they've finished swapping bullets?

I hear once this is over organised crime will be outsourced to india..

 

[skilts]

Originally posted by EssJayW
Nice generalisations there Skilts.

Just some clarity on a couple of points.

How many members of the former drug squad do you know?

What percentage of these members, that you know, are corrupt?

In fact how many members of the VP have served in the drug squad?

What is the percentage of these that are corrupt?

Explain to me in a bit more detail why the drug squad was disbanded?

Explain to me how you rid the police force of corruption?, and whether that process can be used in all forms of life?

EssJayW, I''ve told you what I know, how about you refute it, or better still, tell us what you know. I'm betting you know a lot more than you're prepared to tell us, about bent cops and their lies in court. Where's the harm? This is an anonymous forum. Where's the problem with that?

Or, are you asserting that the Victorian Drug Squad is being pilloried unnecessarily. Is someone conducting a vendetta against these worthy men? If so, please explain. Fill us in on how the Victorian Police have got it so wrong, about so many of their own. Which of the Victorian Police are the crooks? It can't be all of them.

Until the straight cops give up their mates and destroy this odious culture they are maintaining, by their sins of omission, there is no hope of cleaning up corruption in the Victoria Police.

I'll ask you one question - Have you ever been aware of any officers in the Victoria Police, or any other force for that matter, acting corruptly? Sorry, make that two questions. If so, what did you do about it?

If nothing, how can you possibly comment? Your position is compromised.

But then, you'll say that all of the coppers you've ever met have been pristine. I seem to remember you once mentioning you were a member of a police force. That's a lot of coppers you've met. If you were to say that all the ones you've met were honest what do you think that would say about you? Could it be that what you say is true and there are no crooks in any of our police forces, whom you've ever met? Or, is it possible that there are, and you just didn't happen to notice? There is another alternative.

As for how many members of the Drug Squad I've known, I'd say it would only be between eight and ten. All the ones I met were crooks.

The drug squad was disbanded because they ran out of people who could present indictments in court, because they were already appearing in the proceedings examining their own activities. This is why our court system is clogged with irresolvable drug cases.

 

[skilts]

Originally posted by Tinker
My father was a member of the Drug Squad. Both parents were police - more than 50 years service between them.

Anyone who thinks christine Nixon has a clue what's going on needs to think again - a politically correct appointment that has sent VP backwards.

If you were to read what I actually said, you might find I didn't assert anything about Nixon's capabilities, merely her intentions and integrity.

Here's an exercise for you. Ask your parents whether they ever met, or worked with a bent cop. Then ask them how many bent cops they gave up to the internal investigators.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

this is a case of new heavies trying to take over from the old school heavies.


(Old school include Moran family, Graham Kinniburgh,'Dom'Gatto and friends.
New school Antonios Mokbel, Carl williams Andrew Veniamin,Brincat etc) allegedly.


Heres the whos who
http://melbournecrime.com/crimescene.melbourne.htm

Interesting to see who will be left standing in the amphetamine trade when the dust has settled.

 

[EssJayW]

Skilts.

You brought this up. You made the generalisations, its up to you to back them up. Answer the questions and I may consider answering yours.

I have said nothing as yet Skilts. Just asked a few simple ones that you can obviously answer.

You may have answered one of them. You say you know 8 - 10 former drugs squad members and they are all crooks. But lets get specific. If you got close enough to know they are crooks, then surely you can be definite about how many there are. Maybe ESD will be interested in you. Have you thought of doing your public duty and reporting this? Or maybe because you know all these supposed dirty cops, you have something to hide. What is it? Is it hearsay, or have you had personal dealings. Come clean Skilts, do society a favour and speak up.

As for your last paragraph. How many have been charged? What is this ratio to the number of members of the former drug squad? You say they ran out of people who could indict. Is this so. Maybe you should go back to your source and double check the accuracy of this.

 

[Runk]

Originally posted by yob
Most liveable city my arse.

Well I for one would hate to live in your arse. I don't believe that would be particularly liveable at all!

Why even say that????? Weirdo.

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by yob
Most liveable city my arse.

And Adelaide doesn't have drug dealers.....haha, good one!!

We'll keep our mafioso; you keep your Von Einems!

 

[EssJayW]

Originally posted by Runknisse
Well I for one would hate to live in your arse. I don't believe that would be particularly liveable at all!

Why even say that????? Weirdo.

Welcome Back Runk.

That sounds like a good name for a TV show.

 

[Otto's ladder]

Originally posted by FIGJAM
And Adelaide doesn't have drug dealers.....haha, good one!!

We'll keep our mafioso; you keep your Von Einems!

Crims don't bother about Adelaide. As soon as they go there they grow a mullet, take up incest and then fall asleep from boredom.

 

[Tinker]

Originally posted by skilts
If you were to read what I actually said, you might find I didn't assert anything about Nixon's capabilities, merely her intentions and integrity.

Here's an exercise for you. Ask your parents whether they ever met, or worked with a bent cop. Then ask them how many bent cops they gave up to the internal investigators.

Actually I am quite sure they both did, although were probably not aware at the time of the person's ulterior motives. If there is one thing I will say, particularly about my Mum, it's that she doesn't take crap from anyone, least of all her colleagues.

At no point did I ever say that there are no bent cops - but I will say that my parents are not amongst them.

 

[Tinker]

Originally posted by localyokel
And this isnt defamatory?


Next time you throw stones make sure you move well away from the glasshouse.

Actually no it's not defamatory, local. Statistics back it up and, if you ask some police officers next time they come your way, they'll probably tell you the same thing. Nixon has made it quite clear that her loyalty is not to Victoria Police and the Government itself has had to intervene on some decisions she has made.

 

[Tinker]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
Tosser alert!

What are you going to do? get mummy and daddy to arrest this poster?

I'm quite capable of fighting my own battles thanks. I said watch your mouth because I dont like people slagging off police and making assumptions that all former drug squad detectives were crooks because they weren't.

I am sure if we took a poll on who's the tosser, you'd defeat me hands down.

 

[EssJayW]

So as not to be accused of not answering a question. Here is your answers.

Originally posted by skilts
EssJayW, I''ve told you what I know, how about you refute it, or better still, tell us what you know. I'm betting you know a lot more than you're prepared to tell us, about bent cops and their lies in court. Where's the harm? This is an anonymous forum. Where's the problem with that?

You have told me some generalisations, nothing more. Why would I have 1st hand experience with any form of corruption? See, this is another generalisation, where you assume that all members past and present are involved or have been involved, on a 1st hand or 2nd hand basis, with corruption. You are so far from the truth it is laughable.

Originally posted by skilts
Or, are you asserting that the Victorian Drug Squad is being pilloried unnecessarily. Is someone conducting a vendetta against these worthy men? If so, please explain. Fill us in on how the Victorian Police have got it so wrong, about so many of their own. Which of the Victorian Police are the crooks? It can't be all of them.

I did not suggest anything about the Drug Squad. I asked you some questions, as you claim to have great knowledge of how it operated. Unless you can clarify your assertions and give us a run down of the operational procedures at the former DS, then all you are doing is pushing the media line. Do you know how many members worked at the DS in say the last 15 years? Do you know how many members were seconded to work at the DS in that period. Do you know what other resources they use in their investigations? ie Surveillance etc etc. How many of these men and woman have been charged with criminal offences relating to their duties at the DS? What I am suggesting is you are tarring everyone with the same brush. You have yet to clarify anything, other than hearsay. The crooks have/and are being weeded out, but you assert that any person that worked at the DS, is/was a crook. I did not think you were this narrow minded. I dont think you truly understand the amount of members that have worked there.

Originally posted by skilts
Until the straight cops give up their mates and destroy this odious culture they are maintaining, by their sins of omission, there is no hope of cleaning up corruption in the Victoria Police.

So called straight cops give up their so called mates every day. Do you have any clue of the amount of complaints that are dealt with everyday against the police.

Originally posted by skilts
I'll ask you one question - Have you ever been aware of any officers in the Victoria Police, or any other force for that matter, acting corruptly? Sorry, make that two questions. If so, what did you do about it?

What do you call corruption. Half price McDonalds. Yes, I am guilty. Yes I know several officers that were dealt with in the shutter service episode. As for others. No. Only what I have read in the papers. Do you think that any copper that is "corrupt",(I call them crooks), go around talking about their activities. It is closed shop, just as criminal activity is closed shop. If you think otherwise, you have watched too many movies.

Originally posted by skilts
If nothing, how can you possibly comment? Your position is compromised.

Answer not required.

Originally posted by skilts
But then, you'll say that all of the coppers you've ever met have been pristine. I seem to remember you once mentioning you were a member of a police force. That's a lot of coppers you've met. If you were to say that all the ones you've met were honest what do you think that would say about you? Could it be that what you say is true and there are no crooks in any of our police forces, whom you've ever met? Or, is it possible that there are, and you just didn't happen to notice? There is another alternative.

You tell me what it says about me Skilts?
Some of the coppers I met or worked with were absolute scumbags to the highest order. That doesnt mean they were corrupt or had involvements in murder, as you have asserted.
The absolute majority of the coppers I met or worked with were normal people earning a living, bringing up kids, doing charity work on their own time, raising money for cancer etc etc etc.
I hope you are not saying that I am a liar. My problem on this forum is that I am too honest, and prefer to deal with facts rather than hearsay and inuendo.

Originally posted by skilts
As for how many members of the Drug Squad I've known, I'd say it would only be between eight and ten. All the ones I met were crooks.

I answered this is my previous post and will wait and see if you answer honestly.

Originally posted by skilts
The drug squad was disbanded because they ran out of people who could present indictments in court, because they were already appearing in the proceedings examining their own activities. This is why our court system is clogged with irresolvable drug cases.

To summarise to the extreme and cut a long story short. The few members that have been charged are shytbags, no questions asked. They obviously got involved with one side of Melbournes supposed underworld and therefore any information that related to these crooks would go through them, which would then be used for their own gain. Very short, very simple and the real story is surely a lot more complex. But does that complexity mean that the whole DS was corrupt, or just these few shytbags.
You have read the newspaper and discovered that some charges are pending and have been adjourned indefineately until any investigations into these shytbags from the DS are complete. These, and only these cases, where the informants are under investigation, are the ones that have been adjourned. The remainder proceeded as per normal. As you made the assertion that they ran out of people to indict, do you have any clue in relation to a brief of evidence and what it involves. Only the cases where the shtybags were involved have been adjourned.

Once again, when the DS was disbanded how many of the members were under investigation and how many of them have been charged?

 

[Runk]

Originally posted by Tinker
I'm quite capable of fighting my own battles thanks. I said watch your mouth because I dont like people slagging off police and making assumptions that all former drug squad detectives were crooks because they weren't.

I am sure if we took a poll on who's the tosser, you'd defeat me hands down.

Actually I don't think you're a tosser at all. I think it's good that you respect your parents so much. It's quite refreshing and good to see as not that many people do nowadays

However you did give off an aura off "Tosser" by telling posters to "watch their mouths."
What you must understand is that when you either reply to a thread/post or put your own one up you must be prepared to get a varied number of opinions. Some will be vaild, most will not and some just take the pi$$ and want a laugh (that's normally me).
Just take it with a grain of salt.

Best thing to do is not reply to them otherwise the thread just generates into dribble no one wants to read.

However if you do reply make sure you get a cheap shot in at the last second.
For example: FullartonPower smells like poo and nobody likes him!
Whilst it's a kind of mean and definitely purile, everyone will agree it's a well known fact and have no problem with it.

Cheers.