Another Trade Option!!!

[RoK]

You need to conjure up a decent offer then.

What would you say is a good offer???

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Some of you are living in an absolute fantasy world.

Salopek is worth more than pick #9

Agreed. At one point was thought to be #3 material behind Goddard and Wells.

Dew is worth more than Whitnall.

Strongly disagree. He's a one trick pony. Opportunist goals and hail marys from outside 50. His upside is considerably less than Lance's is. It is demeaning to key position players to suggest otherwise.

Pick #9 and Whitnall for Salopek would possibly be an even trade

You are putting a value on Whitnall at about a 3rd or 4th round pick or a fringe player. One of those things you throw in to give a first round pick a little more value.

Whitnall is worth far more to Carlton than he is to anyone else, you'd be lucky to get a late 2nd round pick for him, the guy is on the scrap heap.

Depends who you listen to, some media rumours have Whitnall going to the Crows, Stenglein to the Eagles and Kerr to the Blues. That is no late 2nd round player we are talking about. Sure it is only speculating but the fact is that some are talking of Whitnall like he still has a lot of value.

Do the math. Was a dominant KPP only about 3 or 4 seasons back. Has had a rash of injuries and is struggling under a new coach and game plan. No reason why he can't regain some pretty good form in a new environment. He has actually put in some reasonable preseasons and his body weight earlier this year was better than it has been in my memory.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Some of you are living in an absolute fantasy world.

Salopek is worth more than pick #9, Dew is worth more than Whitnall.

Pick #9 and Whitnall for Salopek would possibly be an even trade but I doubt Port would be that interested in picking up Whitnall anyway.

Whitnall is worth far more to Carlton than he is to anyone else, you'd be lucky to get a late 2nd round pick for him, the guy is on the scrap heap.

I agree with ODN - Whilst Salopek would fetch more than #9, Whitnal > Dew in trade terms.

Port have no real need for Whitnall, so perhaps look at trading to a team who need a key forward - eg. Geelong.

 

[Phantom4]

Weak? I heard the draft was extremely strong this year... and who is to say that you cannot pick good youngster under pick #10. You look at all the good players in the league, most of them were not picked in the top 10, weak draft or not. You can still get quality if you draft smartly.

Rather have pick 9 and Whitnall than Dew - are you crazy? What are you hoping to get out of Dew? And how do you know for sure Salopek will be worth it?

We have enough midfielders - what we need are some players who can hold CHB/FB, a ruckman and a CHF who have big bodies. And are talented. Just need to look that extra bit harder.

Thrawn is spot on with what we need but to be realistic if we could get one of the above we would be very lucky, simply because they are key position players and as Pagan said we must be very careful in our selections, if we trade Whitnall what will we achieve, either getting players we don,t really need or creating another gap to fill. I would keep Whitnall and develop our younger players to develop, like Fisher, Waite or De Luca to be our next CHF. We need to concentrate on an experienced FB like Michaels to develop our back line and try and pick up a potential or an established ruckman, perhaps look at West Coast as they have 2 very good ruckman in Gardner & Cox and may have another young one coming on. I have tried to pick a Carlton side with all players available and its very, very hard. The good thing is we are creating depth in our team with so much potential becoming evident. Go Blues.

 

[Thrawn]

Thrawn,

How do we have enough midfielders? Our best midfielders are near the end of their careers.

We have enough at the moment. We need a strong body at CHB, a small defender and perhaps a CHF and ruckman far more than we need midfielders. We have a few who will replace Kouta and Campo anyway - but we have nothing to replace Whitnall, French, Lappin and Thornton when he gets injuried.

If you look at most games this year, we got smashed in the midfield.

We will pick up plenty of midfielders in the drafts to come - but I'm talking about the quality kids.

We were lucky that Adelaide didnt kick straight in that first qtr. We had 31 possessions for the first qtr.

You are looking at one negative and applying this all year around. Midfield is a major problem, but we've got kids who we are grooming for these roles and absolutelt nothing for defence. We need some hard ball winners in the Ratten mould - but we'll be picking up those sort anyway. What we need is a young tall down back who can repleace Livo, a ruckman that can actually help out the midfielders and a CHF who can actually perform.

We still need more quality midfielders. Kouta and Campo won't be elite midfielders when we're challenging again

You do realise we need a good defense? Thornton and Teague is all we have - a balance is essential because we already have a decent forward line. A balance between the midfield and defence is what all good teams have - you will find that in every good team. Defence should be #1 priority because a) most of our young talent pool is directed at the midfield/forward line and b) there is zero depth is defense. Losing Thornton or Teague would be far worse than losing Kouta or Campo.

We not only need a CHF, we need more ball winners.

And a CHB. And a ruckman. And a small defender who can negate small forwards, because they've smashed us more often than the tall lumbering types. We always pick midfielders in the draft so we can afford a few draft picks to spend on the KEY positions which make a team. Otherwise there is no structure - you need it to be the best.

 

[BlueBoy83]

We have enough at the moment. We need a strong body at CHB, a small defender and perhaps a CHF and ruckman far more than we need midfielders. We have a few who will replace Kouta and Campo anyway - but we have nothing to replace Whitnall, French, Lappin and Thornton when he gets injuried.



We will pick up plenty of midfielders in the drafts to come - but I'm talking about the quality kids.



You are looking at one negative and applying this all year around. Midfield is a major problem, but we've got kids who we are grooming for these roles and absolutelt nothing for defence. We need some hard ball winners in the Ratten mould - but we'll be picking up those sort anyway. What we need is a young tall down back who can repleace Livo, a ruckman that can actually help out the midfielders and a CHF who can actually perform.



You do realise we need a good defense? Thornton and Teague is all we have - a balance is essential because we already have a decent forward line. A balance between the midfield and defence is what all good teams have - you will find that in every good team. Defence should be #1 priority because a) most of our young talent pool is directed at the midfield/forward line and b) there is zero depth is defense. Losing Thornton or Teague would be far worse than losing Kouta or Campo.



And a CHB. And a ruckman. And a small defender who can negate small forwards, because they've smashed us more often than the tall lumbering types. We always pick midfielders in the draft so we can afford a few draft picks to spend on the KEY positions which make a team. Otherwise there is no structure - you need it to be the best.

i agree with u about our priorities ...

1) priority should be a chb/fb ... cos if we picked up a senior fb we could push thornton out to chb ... dont forget with have norman to play in defence too ... and i have a feeling if livo can have a big pre-season who knows ... but we were lucky this yr that thornton adn teague didn't go down, otherwise we would have been royally ********ed.

2) ruckman ... one that could give advantage to our midfielders ... then we'll be able to see what they can do ... i just hope we get a jolly, longmuir type, one that can with teh hit outs.

3) fwd crummer ... we need another fwd option, if u look at all the top sides they have a small fwd to complement their senior ff and chf, i would have gone for milne until he pulled out a blinder fri night and doubt he'd be traded now ... maybe lee harding, quick and could put on fwd pressure like davey.

4) midfielders ... with a midfield of kouta, campo, stevens, houlihan (may move into here), scotland, mcgrath, bannister, johnson, wiggons, walker, simpson, lappin etc i think we have enough ppl to rotate through here ... draft the best kids and groom them for when campo etc retire, i'd be chasing salopek with pick 9, already 2 yrs development and touted as top 3 pick back in 2002.

5) chf ... with our game plan lance is not an option ... we need someone who can take a contested mark ... but lance could still be useful if we hold onto him as a flanker ... but i feel we can get say a key defender/ruckman for him which would be better than holding onto lance ... as he;s run his race and would be better starting a fresh somewhere outside vic i'd say.

 

[barone]

i think our main priority should eb to pick up a Full back, this will allow Thornton to play at CHB and Norman to play HBF where he can run of his man creating drive from the backline.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Our priorities are definitely;

One KeyPosition Defender.
One "class" midfielder and
One "geniune" Ruckman.

Defence.
Thornton, Norman & .......... will do nicely with Livingston as Backup.
Midfield.
Koutoufides, Stevens & Camporeale are the class. Need one more.
We all know we have plenty of decent backups, ie. Scotland, McGrath, Johnson, etc..
Ruckman.
Need either Mott to step up and run or another quality. French, although improved out of sight and showed he can do a job, we need a class act to improve.

Then you top up with youngsters, ie. Blackwell (midfield), F DeLuca(ruckman), etc....

Ofcourse this doesn't include the loss of Whitnall. "If" he is traded we might need to re-asses our trading/draftin priorities from there.

That's my thinking anyway.

 

[CoastBhoy]

ey blueprez if y ahad eny idea buddy of the upcoming draft u would agree wit me...the talent is ********...i think u should tune into the drafting system a bit better before ya comment...the drft is the worst ever...dont expect eny andrew alkers coz dere rnt eny available for us...expect ronnie delulio types.

WTF.

 

[fevola_rockz25]

I think that this is a great trade option!!