Arafat Dead?

[M29]

It is extraordinary this is happening just President Bush has been consolidated in power and has unparalleled authority.

Hasn't that always been the case?

 

[GuruJane]

Hasn't that always been the case?

Not according to Saint Michael Moore.

 

[M29]

The American president has always had 'unparalleled authority'. Don't see why it'd be any different now.

 

[^Eagle^]

ok...ok...ok...

just heard on fox news that hammas will be considered as part of the new palestinian government...ok...ok..ok this will be awful

it's one thing having someone who funds terrorism but denies responsibility as palestinian leader, but having someone who admittidley operates for a terrorist group???

ill just say one thing: so glad bush got relected

 

[Bananabender]

Yasir Arafat is known to many as the “father of modern terrorism.” Below is a timeline of some of the key events of his life and terrorist acts with which he was associated.(prepared by www.camera.org)

– Aug 4, 1929: Arafat born in Cairo. Muhammad Abdel Rahman Abdel Rauf al-Qudwa al-Husseini is fifth child of prosperous merchant, Abdel Raouf al-Qudwa al-Husseini.

– 1933: Arafat's mother dies. He and his infant brother are sent to live with uncle in Jerusalem.

– 1948: Arafat runs arms to Palestine.

– Late 1950's: Arafat co-founds Fatah, the “Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine.”

– Jan. 1, 1965: Fatah fails in its first attempted attack within Israel — the bombing of the National Water Carrier.

– July 5, 1965: A Fatah cell plants explosives at Mitzpe Massua, near Beit Guvrin; and on the railroad tracks to Jerusalem near Kafr Battir.

– 1965-1967: Numerous Fatah bomb attacks target Israeli villages, water pipes, railroads. Homes are destroyed and Israelis are killed.

– July 1968: Fatah joins and becomes the dominant member of the PLO, an umbrella organization of Palestinian terrorist groups.

– Feb. 4, 1969: Arafat is appointed Chairman of the Executive Committee of the PLO

– Feb. 21, 1970: SwissAir flight 330, bound for Tel Aviv, is bombed in mid-flight by PFLP, a PLO member group. 47 people are killed.

– May 8, 1970: PLO terrorists attack an Israeli schoolbus with bazooka fire, killing nine pupils and three teachers from Moshav Avivim

– Sept. 6, 1970: TWA, Pan-Am, and BOAC airplanes are hijacked by PLO terrorists.

– September 1970: Jordanian forces battle the PLO terrorist organization, driving its members out of Jordan after the group's violent activity threatens to destabilize the kingdom. The terrorists flee to Lebanon. This period in PLO history is called “Black September.”

– May 1972: PFLP, part of the PLO, dispatches members of the Japanese Red Army to attack Lod Airport in Tel Aviv, killing 27 people.

– Sept. 5, 1972: Munich Massacre —11 Israeli athletes are murdered at the Munich Olympics by a group calling themselves “Black September,”said to be an arm of Fatah, operating under Arafat's direct command.

– March 1, 1973: Palestinian terrorists take over Saudi embassy in Khartoum. The next day, two Americans –including the United States' ambassador to Sudan, Cleo Noel – and a Belgian were shot and killed. James J. Welsh, an analyst for the National Security Agency from 1969 through 1974, charged Arafat with direct complicity in these murders.

– April 11, 1974: 11 people are killed by Palestinian terrorists who attack apartment building in Kiryat Shmona.

– May 15, 1974: PLO terrorists infiltrating from Lebanon hold children hostage in Ma'alot school. 26 people, 21 of them children, are killed.

– June 9, 1974: Palestinian National Council adopts “Phased Plan,” which calls for the establishment of a Palestinian state on any territory evacuated by Israel, to be used as a base of operations for destroying the whole of Israel. The PLO reaffirms its rejection of United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which calls for a “just and lasting peace” and the “right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.”

– November 1974: PLO takes responsibility for the PDFLP's Beit She'an murders in which 4 Israelis are killed.

– Nov. 13, 1974: Arafat, wearing a gun, addresses the U.N. General Assembly.

– March 1975: Members of Fatah attack the Tel Aviv seafront and take hostages in the Savoy hotel. Three soldiers, three civilians and seven terrorists are killed.

– March 1978: Coastal Road Massacre —Fatah terrorists take over a bus on the Haifa-Tel Aviv highway and kill 21 Israelis.

– 1982: Having created a terrorist mini-state in Lebanon destabilizing that nation, PLO is expelled as a result of Israel's response to incessant PLO missile attacks against northern Israeli communities. Arafat relocates to Tunis.

– Oct. 7, 1985: Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro is hijacked by Palestinian terrorists. Wheelchair-bound elderly man, Leon Klinghoffer, was shot and thrown overboard. Intelligence reports note that instructions originated from Arafat's headquarters in Tunis.

– Dec. 12, 1988: Arafat claims to accept Israel's right to exist.

– September 1993: Arafat shakes hands with Israeli Prime Minister Rabin, inaugurating the Oslo Accords. Arafat pledges to stop incitement and terror, and to foster co-existence with Israel, but fails to comply. Throughout the years of negotiations, aside from passing, token efforts, Arafat does nothing to stop Hamas, PFLP, and Islamic Jihad from carrying out thousands of terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians. With Arafat's encouragement and financial support, groups directly under Arafat's command, such as the Tanzim and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, also carry out terror attacks.

– Oct. 21, 1996: Speaking at a rally near Bethlehem, Arafat said "We know only one word - jihad. jihad, jihad, jihad. Whoever does not like it can drink from the Dead Sea or from the Sea of Gaza." (Yediot Ahronot, October 23, 1996)

– April 16, 1998: In a statement published in the official Palestinian Authority newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadeeda, Arafat is quoted: "O my dear ones on the occupied lands, relatives and friends throughout Palestine and the diaspora, my colleagues in struggle and in arms, my colleagues in struggle and in jihad...Intensify the revolution and the blessed intifada...We must burn the ground under the feet of the invaders."

– July 2000: Arafat rejects peace settlement offered by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, which would have led to a Palestinian state.

– Sept 2000: New "intifada" is launched. Arafat continues to incite, support and fund terrorism.

 

[Bananabender]

Below are some of the attacks since Sept 2000 perpetrated by groups under Arafat's command:

– May 29, 2001: Gilad Zar, 41, of Itamar, was shot dead in a terrorist ambush by Fatah Tanzim.

– May 29, 2001: Sara Blaustein, 53, and Esther Alvan, 20, of Efrat, were killed in a drive-by shooting south of Jerusalem. The Fatah Tanzim claimed responsibility for the attack.

– June 18, 2001: Doron Zisserman, 38, shot and killed in his car by Fatah sniper fire.

– Aug 26, 2001: Dov Rosman, 58, killed in a shooting attack by Fatah terrorist.

– Sept 6, 2001: Erez Merhavi, 23, killed in a Fatah Tanzim ambush shooting near Hadera while driving to a wedding.

– Sept 20, 2001: Sarit Amrani, 26, killed by Fatah terrorist snipers as she was traveling in a car with her husband and 3 children.

– Oct 4, 2001: 3 killed, 13 wounded, when a Fatah terrorist, dressed as an Israeli paratrooper, opened fire on Israeli civilians waiting at the central bus station in Afula.

– Nov 27, 2001 - 2 killed 50 injured when two Palestinian terrorists opened fire with Kalashnikov assault rifles on a crowd of people near the central bus station in Afula. Fatah and the Islamic Jihad claimed joint responsibility.

– Nov 29, 2001: 3 killed and 9 wounded in a suicide bombing on an Egged 823 bus en route from Nazereth to Tel Aviv near the city of Hadera. The Islamic Jihad and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Dec 12, 2001 - 11 killed and 30 wounded when three terrorists attacked a bus and several passenger cars with a roadside bomb, anti-tank grenades, and light arms fire near the entrance to Emmanuel in Samaria . Both Fatah and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Jan. 3, 2002: Israelis intercept the Karine-A, a ship loaded with 50 tons of mortars, rocket launchers, anti-tank mines and other weapons intended for the Palestinian war against the Israelis. The captain admits he was under the command of the Palestinian Authority.

–Jan 15, 2002: Avi Boaz, 71, an American citizen, was kidnapped at a PA security checkpoint in Beit Jala. His bullet-riddled body was found in a car near Bethlehem. The Fatah's Al-Aksa Brigade claimed responsibility for the murder.

–Jan 15, 2002: Yoela Chen, 45, was shot dead by an Al Aqsa Brigade terrorist

– Jan 17, 2002: 6 killed, 35 wounded when a Fatah terrorist burst into a bat mitzva reception in a banquet hall in Hadera opening fire with an M-16 assault rifle.

– Jan 22, 2002: 2 killed, 40 injured when a Fatah terrorist opened fire with an M-16 assault rifle near a bus stop in downtown Jerusalem.

– Jan. 27, 2002: One person was killed and more than 150 were wounded by a female Fatah suicide bomber in the center of Jerusalem.

– Feb 6, 2002 - A mother and her 11 year old daughter were murdered in their home by a Palestinian terrorist disguised in an IDF uniform. Both Fatah and Hamas claimed responsibility.

– Feb 18, 2002 : - Ahuva Amergi, 30, was killed and a 60-year old man was injured when a Palestinian terrorist opened fire on her car. Maj. Mor Elraz, 25, and St.-Sgt. Amir Mansouri, 21, who came to their assistance, were killed while trying to intercept the terrorist. The terrorist was killed when the explosives he was carrying were detonated. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Feb 22, 2002: Valery Ahmir, 59, was killed by terrorists in a Fatah drive-by shooting north of Jerusalem as he returned home from work.

– Feb 25, 2002: Avraham Fish, 65, and Aharon Gorov, 46, were killed in a Fatah terrorist shooting attack south of Bethlehem. Fish's daughter, 9 months pregnant, was seriously injured but delivered a baby girl.

– Feb 25, 2002: Police officer 1st Sgt. Galit Arbiv, 21, died after being fatally shot, when a Fatah terrorist opened fire at a bus stop in the Neve Ya'akov residential neighbhorhood in northern Jerusalem. Eight others were injured.

– Feb 27, 2002: Gad Rejwan, 34, of Jerusalem, was shot and killed by one of his Palestinian employees in a factory north of Jerusalem. Two Fatah groups issued a joint statement taking responsibility for the murder.

– March 2, 2002: A suicide bombing by Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish neighborhood of Jerusalem killed 11 people and injured more than 50.

– Mar 5, 2002: 3 were killed and over 30 people were wounded in Tel-Aviv when a Fatah terrorist opened fire on two adjacent restaurants shortly after 2:00 AM.

– Mar 5, 2002: Devorah Friedman, 45, of Efrat, was killed and her husband injured in a Fatah shooting attack on the Bethlehem bypass "tunnel road", south of Jerusalem.

– Mar 9, 2002: Avia Malka, 9 months, and Israel Yihye, 27, were killed and about 50 people were injured when two Fatah terrorists opened fire and threw grenades at cars and pedestrians in the coastal city of Netanya on Saturday evening, close to the city's boardwalk and hotels.

–March 21, 2002: An Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bomber exploded himself in a crowd of shoppers in Jerusalem, killing 3 and injuring 86.

– March 29, 2002: Two killed and 28 injured when a female Fatah suicide bomber blew herself up in a Jerusalem supermarket.

– March 30, 2002: One killed and 30 injured in an Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bombing in Tel Aviv.

– April 12, 2002: Six killed and 104 wounded when a female Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade suicide bomber blew herself up at a bus stop on Jaffa road at the entrance to Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda open-air market.

– May 27, 2002: Ruth Peled, 56, of Herzliya and her infant granddaughter, aged 14 months, were killed and 37 people were injured when a Fatah suicide bomber detonated himself near an ice cream parlor outside a shopping mall in Petah Tikva.

– May 28, 2002 - Albert Maloul, 50, of Jerusalem, was killed when shots were fired by Fatah terrorists at the car in which he was traveling south on the Ramallah bypass road.

– May 28, 2002 - Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade terrorists killed Netanel Riachi, 17, Gilad Stiglitz, 14, and Avraham Siton, 17, three yeshiva high school students playing basketball.

– June 19, 2002: Seven people were killed and 37 injured when a Fatah suicide bomber blew himself up at a crowded bus stop and hitchhiking post in the French Hill neighborhood of Jerusalem.

– June 20, 2002: Rachel Shabo, 40, and three of her sons - Neria, 16, Zvika, 12, and Avishai, 5 - as well as a neighbor, Yosef Twito, 31, who came to their aid, were murdered when a terrorist entered their home in Itamar, south of Nablus, and opened fire. Two other children were injured, as well as two soldiers. The PFLP and the Fatah Al Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

– July 25, 2002: Rabbi Elimelech Shapira, 43, was killed in a Fatah shooting attack near the West Bank community of Alei Zahav.

– July 26, 2002: St.-Sgt. Elazar Lebovitch, 21, of Hebron; Rabbi Yosef Dikstein, 45, of Psagot, his wife Hannah, 42, and their 9-year-old son Shuv'el Zion were killed in a Fatah Al Aqsa Brigade shooting attack south of Hebron. Two other of their children were injured. – July 30, 2002: Shlomo Odesser, 60, and his brother Mordechai, 52, both of Tapuach in Samaria, were shot and killed when their truck came under Fatah fire in the West Bank village of Jama'in.

– Aug 4, 2002: 2 killed and 17 wounded when a Fatah terrorist opened fire with a pistol near the Damascus Gate of Jerusalem's Old City.

– Aug 5, 2002: Avi Wolanski (29) and his wife Avital (27), of Eli, were killed and one of their children, aged 3, was injured when terrorists opened fire on their car as they were traveling on the Ramallah-Nablus road in Samaria. The Martyrs of the Palestinian Popular Army, a splinter group associated with Arafat's Fatah movement, claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Aug 10, 2002: Yafit Herenstein, 31, of Moshav Mechora in the Jordan Valley, was killed and her husband, Arno, seriously wounded when a Fatah terrorist infiltrated the moshav and opened fire outside their home.

– Sept 18, 2002: Yosef Ajami, 36, was killed when Fatah terrorists opened fire on his car near Mevo Dotan, north of Jenin in the West Bank.

– Oct 29, 2002: Three people, including 2 fourteen year olds, were shot to death by a Fatah terrorist.

-- Nov 10, 2002: Revital Ohayon, 34, and her two sons, Matan, 5, and Noam, 4, as well as Yitzhak Dori, 44 - all of Kibbutz Metzer - and Tirza Damari, 42, were killed when a Fatah terrorist infiltrated the kibbutz, located east of Hadera near the Green Line, and opened fire.

– Nov 28, 2002: 5 killed and 40 wounded when two Fatah terrorists opened fire and threw grenades at the Likud polling station in Beit She'an, near the central bus station, where party members were casting their votes in the Likud primary.

– Apr 24, 2003 - 1 was killed and 13 were wounded in a suicide bombing outside the train station in Kfar Sava. Groups related to the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the PFLP clamied joint responsibility for the attack.

– May 5, 2003 - Gideon Lichterman, 27, was killed and two other passengers, his six-year-old daughter Moriah and a reserve soldier, were seriously wounded when Fatah terrorists fired shots at their vehicle in Samaria.

– May 19, 2003: 3 were killed and 70 were wounded in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Amakim Mall in Afula. The Islamic Jihad and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades both claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Aug 29, 2003: Shalom Har-Melekh, 25, was killed in a Fatah shooting attack while driving northeast of Ramallah. His wife, Limor, who was seven months pregnant, sustained moderate injuries, and gave birth to a baby girl by Caesarean section.

– Jan 29, 2004: 11 people were killed and over 50 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus no. 19 at the corner of Gaza and Arlozorov streets in Jerusalem. Both the Fatah-related Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

– Mar 14, 2004: 10 were killed and 16 wounded in a double suicide bombing at Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.

– May 2, 2004: Tali Hatuel, 34, and her daughters - Hila, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7, and Merav, 2 - of Katif in the Gaza Strip were killed when two Palestinian terrorists fired on an Israeli car at the entrance to the Gaza Strip settlement bloc of Gush Katif. Fatah and Islamic Jihad claimed joint responsibility for the attack.

 

[Bananabender]

I thought I'd post the above because most of the timelines being published in the newspapers missed out on some of the details without which people must be scratching their heads as to why the man was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994.

 

[jim boy]

Yasir Arafat is known to many as the “father of modern terrorism.” Below is a timeline of some of the key events of his life and terrorist acts with which he was associated.(prepared by www.camera.org)

– blah..crap...blah...crap

If you gonna knock the fellow (and you are allowed to), you should try and do a bit more than take a straight excerpt from an extremist site.

Zero credibility

 

[GuruJane]

If you gonna knock the fellow (and you are allowed to), you should try and do a bit more than take a straight excerpt from an extremist site.

Zero credibility

Are you denying this timeline, JimBoy?

Someone should put up a timeline of Palestinian deaths over this period ... and then the full extent of Arafat's disastrous leadership in starting and promoting the second Intifada will be seen.

 

[GuruJane]

The American president has always had 'unparalleled authority'. Don't see why it'd be any different now.

Bush now has 4 more years without having to be re-elected. He has been elected on a clear electoral college and popular vote for his policies. he has increased the Republicans majority in the congress.

He is determined there will be a democratic state in Palestine and he now has the unquestioned political power to achieve it.

 

[carn_the_nmfc]

Found this on the Yahoo website.

Arafat's death 'could end' peace process



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A confidante of the ailing Palestinian leader has warned Israel that Yasser Arafat's death could bring an end to the stalled peace process.

Abdul Rahman Hamad, from the Palestinian National Authority, says it would take a new leader at least 10 years to establish his credentials with the Palestinian people.

He has told ABC TV's Insiders, only Mr Arafat can achieve peace in that time.

"Israel will never find a new Palestinian leader who will be able in the coming years to sit down with Israel and reach a real peace agreement," he said.

"If they are looking exactly for peace, believe me they have to pray for President Arafat as we do, because he is the guy who can make peace with the Israelis."

A senior aide to Yasser Arafat has said the ailing Palestinian leader is in stable condition and is not in a coma.

The 75-year-old is receiving treatment in a Paris hospital, although what is causing his illness is unknown.

Earlier the Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie held talks in Gaza with Palestinian armed factions aimed at preserving calm and unity in the event of the death of Mr Arafat.

Mr Qurie says the military commanders have agreed on a plan to ensure security and order.

"It was a very important meeting, it may be the first of its kind where the Government, the legislative council, and heads of security forces have met with the leaders of national and Islamic movements, it was held in faithfulness to the leading brother President Yassar Arafat," he said.

 

[Lestat]

I thought I'd post the above because most of the timelines being published in the newspapers missed out on some of the details without which people must be scratching their heads as to why the man was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994.

Perhaps now you could post a time line of all terrorist attacks on Palestinians committed by forces under the control of Sharon in that same time period.

You know...the same guy that was found 'indirectly responsible' by an ISREALI HIGH COURT for the Sabra and Shatilla massacres in Lebenon, known as the 'butcher of beirut' who was rather amusingly described by Bush earlier in the year as 'a man of peice'.

And on Arafat.....good riddance!

 

[jim boy]

Are you denying this timeline, JimBoy?

Someone should put up a timeline of Palestinian deaths over this period ... and then the full extent of Arafat's disastrous leadership in starting and promoting the second Intifada will be seen.

Speaking of people with zero credibility, how are you Guru O'Reilly!

You know as well as I do that this time line is deliberately misleading, if not factually wrong, in order to push a particular point of view. Not exactly objective.

 

[Bananabender]

So what makes Camera an "extremist" site?

The fact that it publishes truthful information?

I apologise. The timeline actually omits the war crimes this repulsive beast committed on his own people (he's responsible for the deaths of more Palestinians than Jews and he's also butchered Jordanians, Syrians and Lebanese).

The atrocities at Sabra and Shatilla were committed by Lebanese Falangists. There was no excuse for what they did or for the fact that Sharon sat back and let it happen but don't bring them up without mentioning the murders by Arafat of hundreds of Christian Lebanese before that event.

And let's not forget that his personal wealth is greater than the GNP of the rest of the Palestinian population.

Why do you think he's being treated in a French Hospital?

Perhaps if he hadn't stolen all those billions from his own people and used Euro Dollars for terrorist purposes they might have built a hospital in Ramallah suitable to treat him.

Yeah. Good riddance to Arafat and a pox on those who are so lacking in a moral compass that they can't tell the difference between terrorism and the legitimate right to self defence.

 

[Tim56]

Arafat death market:

Dead within a week: $1.25

Alive after a week: $4.10

 

[jim boy]

So what makes Camera an "extremist" site?

The fact that it publishes truthful information?

Mate, if you're trying to defend that particularly propaganda site, then I think your posting on the wrong forum.

You should be posting here instead with your like-minded friends. Infact you can take MillerCHF with you too.

 

[Bananabender]

Do me a favour and don't mate me and don't equate every reasoned argument with a reference to one of the very rare extremist sites on the pro-Israeli side. Instead of answering my question you posted a link to the Kahane site. That's real propaganda and I can refer you to a plethora of racist Jew hating sites and references on your side of the argument if you like.

In fact what you have done by introducing Kahane (who has virtually no credibility among Israelis) is that you brought up something truly instructive as to where the debate stands in relation to this conflict.

Israel has outlawed the Kahane/KACH organisation because it's racist.

On the other hand, the Palestine Authority has, despite its undertakings in the various Oslo Agreements and pursuant to the Quartet's International Road Map to Peace done nothing to outlaw the numerous racist Palestinian armed organisations (Hamas calls Jews "monkeys" and "pigs") or to anything to arrest and disarm them as is their obligation.

The fact that the PA hasn't banned the Jew Haters or taken a single pea shooter off the armed thugs who not only terrorise Israeli civilians but make life miserable for the many Palestinians who want to lead normal lives and who want to make peace with Israel says a lot. That could be why the reaction to Arafat's illness was so muted among Palestinians in the West Bank.

 

[Bombers 2003]

In fact what you have done by introducing Kahane (who has virtually no credibility among Israelis) is that you brought up something truly instructive as to where the debate stands in relation to this conflict.

Israel has outlawed the Kahane/KACH organisation because it's racist.

On the other hand, the Palestine Authority has, despite its undertakings in the various Oslo Agreements and pursuant to the Quartet's International Road Map to Peace done nothing to outlaw the numerous racist Palestinian armed organisations (Hamas calls Jews "monkeys" and "pigs") or to anything to arrest and disarm them as is their obligation..

1-If rabbi Meir Kahane has NO Credibilty among Israelis,why does he have support among 5-6% of religious Jews?.
2-Now if that is so,why is KACH still represented in the Israeli Parliament?I mean,in most countries,outlawed organistions have NO parliamentary presence.
4-I WONT quote what the mainstream isreali press calls ordinary Palestinians.

 

[jim boy]

Do me a favour and don't mate me and don't equate every reasoned argument with a reference to one of the very rare extremist sites on the pro-Israeli side. Instead of answering my question you posted a link to the Kahane site. That's real propaganda and I can refer you to a plethora of racist Jew hating sites and references on your side of the argument if you like.

In fact what you have done by introducing Kahane (who has virtually no credibility among Israelis) is that you brought up something truly instructive as to where the debate stands in relation to this conflict.

Israel has outlawed the Kahane/KACH organisation because it's racist.

On the other hand, the Palestine Authority has, despite its undertakings in the various Oslo Agreements and pursuant to the Quartet's International Road Map to Peace done nothing to outlaw the numerous racist Palestinian armed organisations (Hamas calls Jews "monkeys" and "pigs") or to anything to arrest and disarm them as is their obligation.

The fact that the PA hasn't banned the Jew Haters or taken a single pea shooter off the armed thugs who not only terrorise Israeli civilians but make life miserable for the many Palestinians who want to lead normal lives and who want to make peace with Israel says a lot. That could be why the reaction to Arafat's illness was so muted among Palestinians in the West Bank.

OK numbnut(prefer that?) What have the PA got to with CAMERA?

Just another rant, I don't think Kahane are extreme enough for you.

 

[Bananabender]

Bombers 2003

"1-If rabbi Meir Kahane has NO Credibilty among Israelis,why does he have support among 5-6% of religious Jews?."

Kahane is dead. Has been for a long time. You don't know what you're talking about.

"2-Now if that is so,why is KACH still represented in the Israeli Parliament?I mean,in most countries,outlawed organistions have NO parliamentary presence."

Again you don't know what your'e talking about. KACH is not represented in Israel's Knesset but if you think it is name the leader of the party, when was he elected and give me his CV?

"4-I WONT quote what the mainstream isreali press calls ordinary Palestinians"

Ditto. You can get Jerusalem Post and Haaretz on line. These are mainstream Israeli Press and if you bothered reading them you'd find they contain intelligent reporting - often critical of Israeli government and they don't natter on about things that are beyond them like you do.

As for your friend Jim Boy who goes on about the dead man Kahane. I'm prepared to debate you any time as soon as you can put up an argument that has some basis in fact.

Name calling never wins any arguments and the fact that all you can say in
response to my claim that Palestinian "armed thugs ... not only terrorise Israeli civilians but make life miserable for the many Palestinians who want to lead normal lives and who want to make peace with Israel ..." is "I don't think Kahane are extreme enough for you" tells me a lot about your intellect (or lack thereof).

 

[Lestat]

Bombers 2003
I'm prepared to debate you any time as soon as you can put up an argument that has some basis in fact.

How ironic....

You wouldn't know what fact is if it came and bit you on the ass.

Now tell me again what exactly Uri Averny has said that was incorrect?

Still waiting....

 

[jim boy]

As for your friend Jim Boy who goes on about the dead man Kahane. I'm prepared to debate you any time as soon as you can put up an argument that has some basis in fact.

Name calling never wins any arguments and the fact that all you can say in
response to my claim that Palestinian "armed thugs ... not only terrorise Israeli civilians but make life miserable for the many Palestinians who want to lead normal lives and who want to make peace with Israel ..." is "I don't think Kahane are extreme enough for you" tells me a lot about your intellect (or lack thereof).

Facts? Facts?

Anybody who puts great faith in well-known hardline sites with an agenda (be it pro-Israeli or pro-Palestine) such as CAMERA has a poor grasp on what objectivity and balance actually means.

You are a moron because you believe CAMERA is a reputable site.

Now that's a fact!

 

[Bananabender]

There's nothing much to debate about with you gentlemen.

I gather you accept that Arafat is/was a murdering thug as well as a swindler and you're not worried at all that his future widow is involving herself in a nasty piece of argy bargy with the rest of the corrupt gang from the PLO who are all fighting over how to divvy up the loot before they pull the plug on the old feller's life support.

As I said above - "if he hadn't stolen all those billions from his own people and used Euro Dollars for terrorist purposes they might have built a hospital in Ramallah suitable to treat him.

Yeah. Good riddance to Arafat and a pox on those who are so lacking in a moral compass that they can't tell the difference between terrorism and the legitimate right to self defence."

 

[Lestat]

There's nothing much to debate about with you gentlemen.

Indeed...when you finally accept that you zionists are a bunch of child murdering lieing greedy thieves...then perhaps we can begin to debate.

Hows that dream of greater eretz going??

Oh....and JPost is a balanced paper....bwahaha...i almost died laughing when I heard that one.

I gather you accept that Arafat is/was a murdering thug as well as a swindler

Funny...I could of sworn that the same was being said about Mandela in the 70's and 80's.

No more or less then Sharon. How are those dodgy business deals going with his son.

Difference being that Arafat...for all his faults, has always been in a position of the weak....up against the might of the Israel army and its US lackies. He's continually been a thorn in your side...and it kills you that no matter what you do...you cannot get rid of him!

if it wasn't for Arafat....the Palestinian issue would not be an issue at all. He put palestine on the map. I guess thats why your kind hate him so much...you would of much prefered to continue murdering palestinians...without the world knowing....and all the while portraying yourselves as the victims.

Well...sorry mate...your time is up. Israel's days are numbered!

Sharon is a murdering pig who is deeply connected to the jewish mafia. A war criminal...and the fact that he was elected by Isreali's is an accurate reflection on a nation steeped in the traditions of aparthied.

and you're not worried at all that his future widow is involving herself in a nasty piece of argy bargy with the rest of the corrupt gang from the PLO who are all fighting over how to divvy up the loot before they pull the plug on the old feller's life support.

I'm no fan of Arafat or his wife. But perhaps you ought to be taking a look at your own leaders before bagging others. People in glass houses really shouldn't be throwing rocks.

As I said above - "if he hadn't stolen all those billions from his own people and used Euro Dollars for terrorist purposes they might have built a hospital in Ramallah suitable to treat him.

And how many hospitals have the IDF bombed. How many ambulances have they shot at.

Yeah. Good riddance to Arafat and a pox on those who are so lacking in a moral compass that they can't tell the difference between terrorism and the legitimate right to self defence."

Look in the mirror mate.

When those with missiles, and war planes continually bomb Palestinians towns and villages...continually destroy who streets of houses, and almost daily kill palestinians (many of them children), humiliate Palestinians daily at check points....forcing them to drink there urine (would you like me to provide a link)...it is rather clear who the real terrorists are.

 

[GuruJane]

Indeed...when you finally accept that you zionists are a bunch of child murdering lieing greedy thieves...then perhaps we can begin to debate.

Hows that dream of greater eretz going??

Oh....and JPost is a balanced paper....bwahaha...i almost died laughing when I heard that one.



Funny...I could of sworn that the same was being said about Mandela in the 70's and 80's.

No more or less then Sharon. How are those dodgy business deals going with his son.

Difference being that Arafat...for all his faults, has always been in a position of the weak....up against the might of the Israel army and its US lackies. He's continually been a thorn in your side...and it kills you that no matter what you do...you cannot get rid of him!

if it wasn't for Arafat....the Palestinian issue would not be an issue at all. He put palestine on the map. I guess thats why your kind hate him so much...you would of much prefered to continue murdering palestinians...without the world knowing....and all the while portraying yourselves as the victims.

Well...sorry mate...your time is up. Israel's days are numbered!

Sharon is a murdering pig who is deeply connected to the jewish mafia. A war criminal...and the fact that he was elected by Isreali's is an accurate reflection on a nation steeped in the traditions of aparthied.



I'm no fan of Arafat or his wife. But perhaps you ought to be taking a look at your own leaders before bagging others. People in glass houses really shouldn't be throwing rocks.



And how many hospitals have the IDF bombed. How many ambulances have they shot at.



Look in the mirror mate.

When those with missiles, and war planes continually bomb Palestinians towns and villages...continually destroy who streets of houses, and almost daily kill palestinians (many of them children), humiliate Palestinians daily at check points....forcing them to drink there urine (would you like me to provide a link)...it is rather clear who the real terrorists are.

Yeah, yeah, yeah ..

How sick is this?

DOHA : Yasser Arafat's wife Suha told Al Jazeera television that three of his top lieutenants due in Paris on Monday to visit the ailing Palestinian leader "want to bury Arafat alive" to inherit his power.

"Arafat is doing well and will return home," but "Abbas, Qorei and Shaath, who are trying to inherit his power, want to bury Arafat alive," Suha told the Doha-based Arabic language satellite channel.

She was referring to Palestinian prime minister Ahmed Qorei, Palestine Liberation Organisation acting chairman Mahmud Abbas and foreign minister Nabil Shaath who are due in the French capital to visit the 75-year-old Arafat, battling for his life in hospital in the southwest Paris suburb of Clamart. - AFP

The whole Arafat myth of the last 4 years is imploding before our very eyes .

The lovely Suha, well known attender at the Paris Fashion Shows, has been living the high life with her daughter since Yasser started the last intifada, while her husband has been inculcating the cult of death and martyrdom in Palestinian children.

She reportedly controls billions in EU donated aid!

The saner palestinian leadership is trying to get this back and she is gonna fight like a Kilkenny cat. The French must really have their hands full. Couldn't happen to a nicer President than Chirac.

This has to be one of the basest stories in the whole of the history of the benighted middle east.