Ashes 17/18 in Australia

[JG22]

I remember us playing Moeen very badly. I can't remember if it was in Australia or England but not only did Warner gift him his wicket a few times but we found him trouble to get out.

And l wouldn't say we have a high quality attack either. SA have a much better fast bowling unit than us and play spin better than us

It was 2015 Ashes in England.
We wanted to attack him at every opportunity but it wasn't necessary

 

[PhatBoy]

Aren't you the guy who shits all over Warner for not playing well when conditions suit?

1. No. I'm the guy who simply refuses to give him a hummer as some sort of great of the game until he starts to produce everywhere.

2. Anderson is one of my least favorite cricketrs and if you bother reading a few posts back I said implicitly that I rate broad higher too because he produces when things are tough. However the point being debated, if you bothered reading, was that he still had something to offer in the next ashes series.

 

[Damon_3388]

Who knows, Cummins may just reach fitness by then, if they wrap him in cotton wool from today. Likely to collapse like Humpty Dumpty as soon as he bowls.

No no, no cotton wool wrapping. He's fully fit right now, so he bowls until he's not.

In my view, Cummins plays all 8 Sheffield Shield fixtures scheduled for NSW prior to the Ashes, bowling a minimum of 250 overs total, plus the remainder of this year's Big Bash, and all of the next Matador Cup, or his name does not even get mentioned by the selectors for Ashes consideration at all.

 

[Damon_3388]

They should (but wont) scrap the matador cup & play some shield games 3 or 4 before the 1st test starts.

If the start date for the 1st Test remains as scheduled (November 23), and the domestic schedule runs as it did this year, we'll have the full Matador Cup, plus three Shield games prior to the Ashes.

 

[Leeda]

well the consistency is there with perhaps four players doing well enough to catch a wave. warner, smith, hands comb, wade, the rest are dubious at best.

it is absolutely party time with a revolving door for everyone else. just don't know that these dudes like bird, lyon and even comedy central starc are working properly.. or consistently.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Australia's got the home ground advantage this time around but I honestly hope for more variation in pitches. WACA has been a flat top for as long as I can remember with the Gabba and AO fast following suit. MCG has been a dead wicket for years, with SCG tagging loyally behind. Leaves us with Hobart but unfortunately, not this series.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/aust...de-oval-t20i-tri-series-england-nz/2016-12-13

1st GABBA
2nd WADA
3rd AO D/Nan
4th MCG
5th SCG

Who knows, Cummins may just reach fitness by then, if they wrap him in cotton wool from today. Likely to collapse like Humpty Dumpty as soon as he bowls.

I doubt it's going to be the same team by then, with India breaking rather than the making a few batsman, Marsh included.

I thought Dank only got a job with the womens team.

 

[The Swans Blog]

well the consistency is there with perhaps four players doing well enough to catch a wave. warner, smith, hands comb, wade, the rest are dubious at best.

it is absolutely party time with a revolving door for everyone else. just don't know that these dudes like bird, lyon and even comedy central starc are working properly.. or consistently.

That's bullshit. Bird is the only Australian bowler that's taken a wicket this series bowling at under 50 strike rate. Hazlewood has the best economy rate by a mile, but his stats are nearly as bad as as Lyons.

 

[to1994]

Stokes and Ali are too inconsistent atm. Especially Moeen.

I'd argue Stokes is more inconsistent. Moeen has had it a tough in terms of how England have used him. He started off as an all rounder but because of a couple of good games against India with his bowling they incorrectly moved him to 8 and put pressure on his bowling when it's really not his strong suit.

He struggled to find consistency having to go for a wack with the tail which is why his average is around the same as Stokes despite the fact he'd put in good performances when given the chance at a genuine batting position (the UAE an exception but again they slipped up having him open instead of putting him in the middle order).

Stokes on the other hand has had a few flash in the pan innings but overall has been a bit mediocre though his bowling is quite useful.

Cook
Jennings
Hameed
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
- Best genuine keeper in the County circuit
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

Is what I think they should start with in their next season. Bairstow isn't a very good keeper and he should be playing as a genuine bat anyway, scored nearly 1,500 Test runs this year in plenty of different conditions, given they have serious batting already down to 8 I feel like playing an incredible keeper not based on batting would give them a serious edge over other sides. Buttler isn't much better
Then Bairstow and I don't think his game is suited to Test cricket either.

 

[Leeda]

That's bullshit. Bird is the only Australian bowler that's taken a wicket this series bowling at under 50 strike rate. Hazlewood has the best economy rate by a mile, but his stats are nearly as bad as as Lyons.

geez I'm right and I'm wrong.. the problem is consistency and keeping players on a non round robin or a lazy susan kind of playing
mentality. I mean being there one game and then out for another and then up again can't be good for confidence.

that is why there are only maybe four players who get picked again and again and then the others just muck around and it is no wonder that
the heart isn't in it.

 

[The Swans Blog]

geez I'm right and I'm wrong.. the problem is consistency and keeping players on a non round robin or a lazy susan kind of playing
mentality. I mean being there one game and then out for another and then up again can't be good for confidence.

that is why there are only maybe four players who get picked again and again and then the others just muck around and it is no wonder that
the heart isn't in it.

I don't know what to think of Bird. He's done well enough this series to stay in the team and he's well on track to 20 wickets. As far as pace bowlers go, I'd expect that the 3 current ones would be it, unless there's an injury somewhere.

Lyon though...

 

[Damon_3388]

I remember us playing Moeen very badly. I can't remember if it was in Australia or England but not only did Warner gift him his wicket a few times but we found him trouble to get out.

It was 2015 Ashes in England.
We wanted to attack him at every opportunity but it wasn't necessary

Moeen Ali (batting 8/9, bowling 3-5) in the 2015 Ashes:

Batting - 36.62 average, 71.46 strike rate (0 hundreds, 2 fifties, 1 duck)

Bowling - 45.50 average, 61.83 strike rate, 4.41 economy rate.

He bowls hittable trash for the most part, so it's very tempting to give it the treatment it deserves.

 

[Damon_3388]

Moeen excelled in Indian conditions, did he not? Seem to remember a couple of 100s.

He also paired his two centuries and one fifty with four scores under five. He batted well on the absolute roads (307 runs from 3 innings in the 1st and 5th Tests), but was pretty lacklustre outside of that (74 runs from 6 innings from Tests 2-4).

 

[Damon_3388]

Cook
Jennings
Hameed
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
- Best genuine keeper in the County circuit
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

Is what I think they should start with in their next season. Bairstow isn't a very good keeper and he should be playing as a genuine bat anyway, scored nearly 1,500 Test runs this year in plenty of different conditions, given they have serious batting already down to 8 I feel like playing an incredible keeper not based on batting would give them a serious edge over other sides. Buttler isn't much better
Then Bairstow and I don't think his game is suited to Test cricket either.

Ben Foakes is the one that will get the keeping role I think. Was discussed as an option earlier in the English summer, and seems to be getting praise from some important names in and around English cricket like Alec Stewart and Andy Flower.

Even though Chris Woakes has come on a lot over the last 12 months, I feel they might favour someone like Mark Wood in Australian conditions as the 3rd seamer.

 

[Leeda]

I don't know what to think of Bird. He's done well enough this series to stay in the team and he's well on track to 20 wickets. As far as pace bowlers go, I'd expect that the 3 current ones would be it, unless there's an injury somewhere.

Lyon though...

gary is a bit hot and cold. handles it in a different way and will still keep trying. needs to be a bit more enthusiastic... waving a finger at the umps and
stealing the bales/bails and then grabbing stevie's sunnies and then going a bit nuts with the water bottle... all for the tv you know...