Atley vs Heppell

[Daz]

Atley

2011 - Nothing special. Played on the wing mostly, showed a couple of glimpses but in general he didn't get much of it and didn't use it well at all.

2012 - Moved to the backline to replace Brady Rawlings and add some much needed leg speed to a slow, stagnant back 6. He's been playing on the fastest opposition small forward. His best games against quality opposition came against Milne and Garlett. He's also smashed the likes of Leroy Jetta and Hams a couple of times each. He hasn't conceded more than 3 goals in a game. His worst game was against Lewis Jetta who managed 13 touches and 3 goals. His opponents average about 1.5 goals and 12 disposals against him.

He's currently averaging 19 disposals. Just about every one of them is either a ground ball get or a handball receive and sees him running (6th in the league for bounces) out of defence. He has explosive pace and his kicking has improved tenfold, to the point where it can be considered above average. His ability to combine defence and attack has transformed the NM backline.

Highlights are from Rd 13 vs Adelaide, his best offensive game.





Heppell

2011 - Played with the composure of a 200 gamer. Playing in a free wheeling role backward of centre, he demonstrated an innate ability to read the play. He averaged 21 disposals a game, made excellent decisions and used the ball exceptionally well. Finished 7th in Essendon's B&F and won the RS after playing all 22 games.

2012 - No sign of 2nd year blues. The stats are almost identical to 2011. With the Bombers injuries, he's spent a bit of time in the midfield recently and gone OK considering he's still a kid and can't match it physically with the bigger midfielders.

Highlights are compiled by BomberTV from all the games from his debut year.

 

[mufassa]

Heppell last year - Atley this year.

 

[Daz]

I have reported my own post. A poll will be on the way. I blame the new BF.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Heppell a victim of his own standards from last year, he has improved marginally, he has still been good this year. I have liked what I have seen of Atley this year too.

Can't wait for the pre-season, thats when the Essendon North shit fights begin to peak.

 

[Ambrosia]

It all depends on how high you rate back pockets.

 

[Igloo]

Probably still Heppell, at the moment. Had a better year last year, and has still been good this year. Atley's had a good year too though, so it's pretty close.

 

[The Bomb]

30+ poss
Heppell 2
Atley 0

25+ poss
Heppell 8
Atley 2

20+ poss
Heppell 28 times from 40 games
Atley 10 times from 35 games

under 10 possessions
Heppell 0
Atley 4

Heppell easily in their short careers.

Atley has not been 1/2 as good as Heppell in any of those stats.

 

[Daz]

30+ poss
Heppell 2
Atley 0

25+ poss
Heppell 8
Atley 2

20+ poss
Heppell 28 times from 40 games
Atley 10 times from 35 games

under 10 possessions
Heppell 0
Atley 4

Heppell easily in their short careers.

Career stats are pointless. Everyone knows Heppell's first year was much better. Atley has improved significantly and is obviously never going to regress to his 2011 form.

In 2012, Heppell only averages 2 more disposals. However, Atley is playing a lockdown role which must be taken into account.

 

[The Bomb]

Career stats are pointless. Everyone knows Heppell's first year was much better. Atley has improved significantly and is obviously never going to regress to his 2011 form.

In 2012, Heppell only averages 2 more disposals. However, Atley is playing a lockdown role which must be taken into account.

Funny poll this one, last year Heppell was in defence and killed it now he has progressed and moved to the midfield while Atley was in the midfield and had to be dropped back into defence because he was not doing to well in the midfield, Heppell is simply a better player then Atley.


no matter how you look at it in their 35 and 40 game respectively Heppell has smashed Atley in every stat. and even to the point where Heppell is pushing to become a starting midfielder for Essendon, which most of BF have doubted since we recruited him, most of the North supporters were saying Essendon should have taken Atley because he is more of a pure mid and Heppell is just a HB flanker.
LOL North supporters.

 

[the big lebowski]

no matter how you look at it in their 35 and 40 game respectively Heppell has smashed Atley in every stat

Please show me their running bounces stat or failing that metres gained.

 

[Daz]

Funny poll this one, last year Heppell was in defence and killed it now he has progressed and moved to the midfield while Atley was in the midfield and had to be dropped back into defence because he was not doing to well in the midfield, Heppell is simply a better player then Atley.


no matter how you look at it in their 35 and 40 game respectively Heppell has smashed Atley in every stat. and even to the point where Heppell is pushing to become a startin midfielder for Essendon, which most of BF have doubted since we recruited him.

What Heppell did in the back half was not 'defending'. Atley is actually playing as our #1 small defender. He's not out there chasing kicks. He just happens to be able to do both which is a rare quality.

Just because Heppell's been in the midfield lately (out of necessity) doesn't mean he's doing it well.

 

[Daz]

Please show me their running bounces stat or failing that metres gained.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2012&rt=LT&st=BO

 

[the big lebowski]

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_rankings?year=2012&rt=LT&st=BO

Thankyou sir. Atley easy.

 

[The Bomb]

Just because Heppell's been in the midfield lately (out of necessity) doesn't mean he's doing it well.

You may be right, He may not be doing it well if we were comparing him to Jobe, But in comparison to Atley he has smashed him at the AFL level in every area so far.

Heppell has had 18 more games with 20+ possessions in them games, in just his 40 game career.
that is huge difference.

 

[Daz]

You may be right, He may not be doing it well if we were comparing him to Jobe, But in comparison to Atley he has smashed him at the AFL level in every area so far.

Heppell has had 18 more games with 20+ possessions in them games, in just his 40 game career.
that is huge difference.

2 disposals per game the difference in 2012 mate. 2.

People aren't judging Jobe Watson on his debut season.

 

[The Bomb]

Heppell has had 5 more games, but 211 more Kicks at Afl level, 75 more H/Balls, 286 more possessions, 153 more Marks, 33 more tackles.
they are level with goals kicked though so Heppell has under achieved in 1 area of his game when being compared to Atley.

 

[Daz]

You may be right, He may not be doing it well if we were comparing him to Jobe, But in comparison to Atley he has smashed him at the AFL level in every area so far.

Heppell has had 18 more games with 20+ possessions in them games, in just his 40 game career.
that is huge difference.

He wasn't just average compared to Jobe. He was average compared to Swallow, Cunnington, Garlett, Gibson, Bastinac and Anthony. Every one of them outplayed him.

Heppell has had 5 more games, but 211 more Kicks at Afl level, 75 more H/Balls, 286 more possessions, 153 more Marks, 33 more tackles.
they are level with goals kicked though so Atley is doing well in 1 area.

You've really got nothing other than stats that rely on 2011 data do you?

Watch these. Use your EYES. One game vs one season and Atley still outshines Heppell.

 

[The Bomb]

2 disposals per game the difference in 2012 mate. 2.

People aren't judging Jobe Watson on his debut season.

2 disposals does not sound much but when comparing Heppell and Atleys kicking skill their is a pretty big difference. Heppell still kicks the pill 4 more time a game then Atley add that to the skill level at which both players kick the ball there is still a pretty big gap.

 

[The Bomb]

OH dear
Riolis highlight package out shines Cotchins, Swans, Watsons, and every other player in the game aswell.

 

[Daz]

2 disposals does not sound much but when comparing Heppell and Atleys kicking skill their is a pretty big difference. Heppell still kicks the pill 4 more time a game then Atley add that to the skill level at which both players kick the ball there is still a pretty big gap.

Ahhh no. When Atley gets the ball good things happen. He's an 80m player. Heppell doesn't have the leg speed to break games apart like Atley does.

The gap in skill level is not what it was last year. Heppell is now only a marginally better kick.

 

[Daz]

OH dear
Riolis highlight package out shines Cotchins, Swans, Watsons, and every other player in the game aswell.

They (Atley and Heppell) get it roughly the same amount every game so it's not the same as comparing Rioli to those mids. That video wasn't really a highlights package, it was pretty much just every time he got the ball. That's how devastating he can be.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Atley

2012 - Moved to the backline to replace Brady Rawlings and add some much needed leg speed to a slow, stagnant back 6. He's been playing on the fastest opposition small forward. His best games against quality opposition came against Milne and Garlett.

Against STK, Milne had 14 disposals and 2.1 whilst Atley had 12 disposals and 4 frees against.

 

[Daz]

Against STK, Milne had 14 disposals and 2.1 whilst Atley had 12 disposals and 4 frees against.

Nice edit mate. Bit awkward now that it's 12 disposals, not 24 like you wrote the first time.

I'm sure any Saints fans would concede that Atley took the points that night.

 

[Dwight Schrute]

Nice edit mate. Bit awkward now that it's 12 disposals, not 24 like you wrote the first time.

I'm sure any Saints fans would concede that Atley took the points that night.

I aciddently wrote 24 disposals for Milne instead of 14. If conceding 2 goals and 4 frees against was one of his best games then the bar cant be that high.

 

[Daz]

I aciddently wrote 24 disposals for Milne instead of 14. If conceding 2 goals and 4 frees against was one of his best games then the bar cant be that high.

Milne's the best small forward in the game. 12 and 2 is a poor return for him.

Atley hasn't conceded more than 3 goals to any player this year. He's been extremely consistent. He's one of the few players who is their side's best small defender and best rebounder.