Ayres eyes top four

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by topjars
Your'e paranoid the lot of you.
Tell me a side that doesnt play wide.

What matters is where we shoot on goal from

I know a side that went wide in 97 and 98 and won 2 flags.

don't waste your breath, if this lot want to spend all day chasing phantoms, that's just what they'll do.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I have been doing a bit of thinking (surprised myself really ). In the time Ayres has been our coach we have been a long kicking attacking side (apart from his first year) so one would say we know that game plan back to front. Maybe what we have practiced in the off-season is something that we will ADD to our long kicking game plan.

Brisbane's game plan is a mixrute of long kicking down then corridor and shorts chipping style down the wings. The thing is Lions mix it up to perfection. They are so unpredictable with the game they play. One minute they are going long down the centre corridor the next they are chipping it down the wings.

Maybe we are justt practicing the short chipping part of the game plan. This game plan is harder to master than the simple long kicking gameplan.

Hopefully come round 1 we will mix it up which would be usefull come the business end of the season. I don't expect us to be very efficient with it early but towards the end of the year we should be better at it.

I hope I am onto something anyway because if waht we have seen this pre-season is our new game plan we are in real trouble.

I have to agree with you.
As Craig said, "we know how to play man on man, very well". This style we are practising, I'm convinced is an add-on to our normal gameplan.
Well it had better be!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by topjars
Your'e paranoid the lot of you.
Tell me a side that doesnt play wide.

What matters is where we shoot on goal from

I know a side that went wide in 97 and 98 and won 2 flags.

Gotta disagree here. We were in fact very direct coming out of the backline. Blight was quoted often (and when as a commentator) about shooting percentages in front V >45degrees.
He coached, and the Crows played accordingly.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
I have to agree with you.
As Craig said, "we know how to play man on man, very well". This style we are practising, I'm convinced is an add-on to our normal gameplan.
Well it had better be!

I really hope its only an add-on to our gameplan. Otherwise it could be a very long season.

 

[macca23]

I was in Melbourne on business today, and there was an article in The Age not dissimilar to this.

One point that Ayres made in that article is that we need a forward who can kick 50 plus goals in a year but we don't appear to have one.

Ayresy ..........pssssst!!! There is one - his name is Burton!!!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
I was in Melbourne on business today, and there was an article in The Age not dissimilar to this.

One point that Ayres made in that article is that we need a forward who can kick 50 plus goals in a year but we don't appear to have one.

Ayresy ..........pssssst!!! There is one - his name is Burton!!!

Well, he would dispute whether Burton can kick 50

If Welsh can play every game and continue his good form he is also a pretty good chance to kick 50.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Well, he would dispute whether Burton can kick 50

Yes, even though Burton did kick 50 in about two thirds of a season a couple of yeard ago.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Yes, even though Burton did kick 50 in about two thirds of a season a couple of yeard ago.

Thats Ayresy for you.

A forward line of Welsh (FP), Carey (FF), Burton (FP), Perrie (CHF) and crumbers like Stiffy, Bunji and Lads would kick a LOT of goals and be very unpredictable.

But why take the obvious options, why not muck around with it.

 

[napsyd]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Well, he would dispute whether Burton can kick 50

If Welsh can play every game and continue his good form he is also a pretty good chance to kick 50.

Unfortunately Welsh will be moved to a half bank flank to replace McLeod who will be moving to full forward.

Roo will be carrying the drinks out at quarter time as the bloke who currently does it would be much better in the midfield (although not quite as good as Ronnie).

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Probably the more susprising odds are with the brownlow betting. Mark Ricciuto is at 50/1 to win it again. i don't know about you but I think this is a pretty good bargain bet. What do these people think that Roo didn't deserve the Brownlow??????

HOw many back to back Brownlow winners are there in history? Not bloody many. How often do playres after a Brownlow have a year that isnt up to the previous. All the time. Two years ago Roo didnt make the top 10 in your BnF. I'd also like to know how often the last years Brownlow winner was the immediate favourite to do it again the next year at the TAB. And isnt TAB odds controlled by how much money people put on the subjects? So if not many people have put money on Roo then his odds arent going to be too low are they? Some guy could put 2 million dollars on Tyson Edwards to win the Brownlow and next week he would be the favourite. Thats my understaind tho im probably wrong.

I cant see Roo winning the Brownlow this season. All Australian maybe, but it would be a mammoth effort to get the Brownlow again.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Thats Ayresy for you.

A forward line of Welsh (FP), Carey (FF), Burton (FP), Perrie (CHF) and crumbers like Stiffy, Bunji and Lads would kick a LOT of goals and be very unpredictable.

But why take the obvious options, why not muck around with it.

yeah, that's ayresy for you, he's an idiot - not like the experts here.

 

[maccas_no1]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
yeah, that's ayresy for you, he's an idiot - not like the experts here.

Are you saying some of the people here have no real idea about what they are talking about CM??????? I think what alot of the guys say here is right on the money, macca23 goes down watches training reports back and say's we are practicing a long direct kicking gameplan yet Ayres has us playing wide Where is the sense in that Ayres is an idiot he will not bring the AFC and Premiership success until we change our gameplan it is as simple as that, if you cant see that then you are in the smae boat as Ayres an IDIOT.

 

[PAfolwr]

Originally posted by maccas_no1
... macca23 goes down watches training reports back and say's we are practicing a long direct kicking gameplan yet Ayres has us playing wide Where is the sense in that Ayres is an idiot he will not bring the AFC and Premiership success until we change our gameplan it is as simple as that, if you cant see that then you are in the smae boat as Ayres an IDIOT.

In all fairness to Ayres and Williams, they both have good game plans for the midfields. One is long kicking based, and one is an "options" based one.
They are both very very good plans on their day, but both coaches tend to wait a bit too long to alter "the plan" when things go wrong. Plan B I hear you say.
Well it sounds as if both coaches have finally realised that they need to have another option up their sleeves, and these are the ones (new options) that we have seen in the trial games.
I seriously doubt they will become the main tactics, and neither they should, but both teams do have a need to practice them in the pre-season as much as possible to get the players used to them.
If that makes sense.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Macca19
HOw many back to back Brownlow winners are there in history? Not bloody many. How often do playres after a Brownlow have a year that isnt up to the previous. All the time. Two years ago Roo didnt make the top 10 in your BnF. I'd also like to know how often the last years Brownlow winner was the immediate favourite to do it again the next year at the TAB. And isnt TAB odds controlled by how much money people put on the subjects? So if not many people have put money on Roo then his odds arent going to be too low are they? Some guy could put 2 million dollars on Tyson Edwards to win the Brownlow and next week he would be the favourite. Thats my understaind tho im probably wrong.

I cant see Roo winning the Brownlow this season. All Australian maybe, but it would be a mammoth effort to get the Brownlow again.

Robert Harvey won back-to-back Brownlows not too long ago ... which was of course a good omen for the Crows. Roo has just about always polled well & has usually done badly when he has had an injury interupted season. For the record, I think Macca is a better chance in 2004, but Roo isn't without a show.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by PAfolwr
In all fairness to Ayres and Williams, they both have good game plans for the midfields. One is long kicking based, and one is an "options" based one.
They are both very very good plans on their day, but both coaches tend to wait a bit too long to alter "the plan" when things go wrong. Plan B I hear you say.
Well it sounds as if both coaches have finally realised that they need to have another option up their sleeves, and these are the ones (new options) that we have seen in the trial games.
I seriously doubt they will become the main tactics, and neither they should, but both teams do have a need to practice them in the pre-season as much as possible to get the players used to them.
If that makes sense.

I think you may be correct. Both coaches have been criticised for not having a plan B, which is required to revert to against certain sides when plan A isn't working. Hopefully they will both stick to their plan A for the majority of the season (which has been successful in the past), but now have a 2nd option as required.

 

[Tas]

Adelaide last year played alot like we did at the Kangaroos and I know its annoying as hell when the ball goes very wide instead of down the guts but I think for both clubs it was necessary to some extent.

Like us, Adelaide does not have a stand-out forward capable of kicking a massive number of goals consistantly. You have a good bunch of competitive tall forwards but last year nobody kicked more than 30 goals and you generated alot of your winning score by runners.

If your smaller players are going to be kicking the vast majority of goals that usually comes from slower delivery of the ball and going alot wider.

If you go long and direct and it rebounds from your half forward line into scoring attempts for the opposition you get a little gun-shy and try to work the ball forwards via a different route.

It is well and good being long and direct but if you do that you must have forwards that hold onto the marks and provide alot of defensive pressure across the half forward line preventing the ball coming out easily.

I think Adelaide tries to go long at times but if its breaking down they will revert to a wider gameplan, so I do think they have a plan A and B, they just had to resort to B alot last year.

I wouldn't worry too much about what comments Ayres makes to the media. If he believes the team is playing too wide he is not going to admit it to the media.

If he is working on playing a longer and more direct style of play he would want opposition clubs to figure that out on matchday.

 

[jc67]

Every now and then i start to belive the doomsday (wooden spoon 2004) stuff thats written on here.
Thankfully there are threads like this one that can be read.
It proves that we havent got the first foggiest about the inside of the AFC.
Only 2 months ago we all belived that we were a top 4 side and our biggest problem was that we played to wide. after reading this i feel a lot more comfortable that we will infact play finals this year.
And my reasoning is that everyone here has written them off.

 

[Hit And Rum]

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