Bancroft overlooked

[Around the Wicket]

So you're happy that Renshaw with a FC average of 53 in 2023 was chosen over Bancroft with a FC average of 44 in 2023?

Renshaw FC Record 2023.

Aus v India Test Matches (3) - 4 runs at 1.33

NZ A v Aus A (4) - 332 runs at 83.00 - 2x 100's.

Pakistan in Australia Lead up game (0) - 136* - 1x 100

Shield Cricket - 348 runs at 31.63 (11) - 1x 100

2023 Total (19, with 1 not out) - 820 at 45.55 - 4x hundreds

What am I missing, did Matt play county cricket this year?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You dont think smith will make it to the Ashes?

Can't see that happening.

Ashes in England I am talking probably gets to the one in Australia. The first one is 3 and a half years away

 

[dogs105]

Renshaw FC Record 2023.

Aus v India Test Matches (3) - 4 runs at 1.33

NZ A v Aus A (4) - 332 runs at 83.00 - 2x 100's.

Pakistan in Australia Lead up game (0) - 136* - 1x 100

Shield Cricket - 348 runs at 31.63 (11) - 1x 100

2023 Total (19, with 1 not out) - 820 at 45.55 - 4x hundreds

What am I missing, did Matt play county cricket this year?

That seems right. The 53 quoted was not including test matches, as was stated in the post. The 45.55 with test matches included was mentioned in another post.

 

[Around the Wicket]

That seems right. The 53 quoted was not including test matches, as was stated in the post. The 45.55 with test matches included was mentioned in another post.

Not really that good a year then... very dependent on the A Games.

 

[dogs105]

Not really that good a year then... very dependent on the A Games.

Every average depends on some of the results???

I'm just trying to post facts and numbers. I like Bancroft and Renshaw. I've just been pointing out that only looking at scores from one competition is flawed.

 

[big_e]

Looks like we've finally made it to the "if you take out their highest scores, their average isn't as good!" stage of the thread....

 

[LukeParkerno1]

The averages being quoted for Renshaw are highly reliant on his county numbers, not shield ones. The quality of county attacks vs our domestic sides is absolutely relevant. County runs shouldn’t be considered the same as shield ones as the standard here is much higher.

Runs are runs. Ideally you score in both conditions which is what the selectors want. A lot of county cricket is of a high standard.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Ashes in England I am talking probably gets to the one in Australia. The first one is 3 and a half years away

oh i thought you meant next ashes. as in 2025.

agree with you.

 

[madjoe]

Renshaw last 12 innings:
2, 2, 0, 5*, 5, 8, 22, 4, 5, 45, 8, 1

Total 107 @ 9.7

Bancroft last 12 innings:
16, 13, 7, 8, 26, 77, 24, 38, 53, 5, 0, 27

Total 294 @ 24.5





I get why it's 12 now. Just misses Renshaw's consecutive 180, 68, 60, 44.

tell you what you can list renshaw big scores but also list the teams in which they played? Renshaw started really well in test cricket that 18o was great but dropped off a cliff


side note i would of picked harris so i don't have a boat in this race but renshaw isn't the next best in line.

 

[BStaff17]

no offence but this annoys me, harris did well in his last few test digs started to look a player than chop, bancroft the same he never really sucessed or failed. he had some hard tests england in england, SA in SA .

Renshaw has failed at state level and has failed the last 12 times he has batted at test level.

Harris had enough time to lock down a spot.

1 fifty across his last 5 test stint was plenty of time to nail something down. Was the 70 odd on Boxing day really that special. It was decent but he didn't look like a world beater. And every other time I saw him he looked like a batsman 2 levels below what was required at test level.

Bancroft failed miserably on his return in 2019 those 4 innings he came back with a technique worse then what he started with. I

I was at Edgbaston and Lords that series and he looked like getting out every ball he faced.

Now i would think it has improved but at the same time it's not like he is a hard luck story. When your have failed a couple of times at that level especially with no real standout innings to look back on you have show twice as much to reinforce the selectors your game has improved and weaknesses have been rectified.

 

[dogs105]

Runs are runs. Ideally you score in both conditions which is what the selectors want. A lot of county cricket is of a high standard.

Though Renshaw didn't play any county cricket in 2023. Bancroft did, but struggled.

 

[dogs105]

tell you what you can list renshaw big scores but also list the teams in which they played? Renshaw started really well in test cricket that 18o was great but dropped off a cliff


side note i would of picked harris so i don't have a boat in this race but renshaw isn't the next best in line.

I listed the 12 that you asked for. I just noted that I realised why you chose 12.

Looks like we've finally made it to the "if you take out their highest scores, their average isn't as good!" stage of the thread....

Prescient

 

[Around the Wicket]

That seems right. The 53 quoted was not including test matches, as was stated in the post. The 45.55 with test matches included was mentioned in another post.

2023 Bancroft FC stats

Feb-March 2023 Backend of 22/23 Shield Season (7) - 414 runs at 59.14 - 1x 100

County (7) - 137 runs at 19.57

Aus A v NZ A (4) - 84 runs at 21.00

Pakistan v Australia A Lead up Game (1) - 53 runs at 53

Shield Season 2023/24 (9) - 512 runs at 56.88 - 2x 100's

1200 runs at 42.85 with 3 x 100's... compare that to Renshaw's 820 runs at 45.55... there isn't anything in it.. Renshaw has sucked in Shield and dominated in the A games and its the opposite for Bancroft.. neither have that good a numbers to rave about. Katich back in the day scored 1500 Shield runs at 100 to get back in the side.

 

[dogs105]

2023 Bancroft FC stats

Feb-March 2023 Backend of 22/23 Shield Season (7) - 414 runs at 59.14 - 1x 100

County (7) - 137 runs at 19.57

Aus A v NZ A (4) - 84 runs at 21.00

Pakistan v Australia A Lead up Game (1) - 53 runs at 53

Shield Season 2023/24 (9) - 512 runs at 56.88 - 2x 100's

1200 runs at 42.85 with 3 x 100's... compare that to Renshaw's 820 runs at 45.55... there isn't anything in it.. Renshaw has sucked in Shield and dominated in the A games and its the opposite for Bancroft.. neither have that good a numbers to rave about. Katich back in the day scored 1500 Shield runs at 100 to get back in the side.

Yep, there is hardly anything in it.

Certainly not enough for all the outrage about a supposed "shocking" omission.

 

[BarryMorgan]

He ousted Langer after literally whitewashing England in the Ashes. he also literally shat on the team previous sponsor for his own personal views.

If anyone on this forum thinks Cummins wouldn't do the same to Bancroft they need their head read.

I’m sure if he literally shat on the team sponsor, video of that would have been everywhere.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

oh i thought you meant next ashes. as in 2025.

agree with you.

Na he'll get there, but our main series to set the side up is England in England (yes India in Inia is important but we do well to win a test there). We always flog England here at home. So who is there in 3 amd a half years that's a very good question and the WTC complicates this nowadays.

 

[Around the Wicket]

Na he'll get there, but our main series to set the side up is England in England (yes India in Inia is important but we do well to win a test there). We always flog England here at home. So who is there in 3 amd a half years that's a very good question and the WTC complicates this nowadays.

Smith will play as long as his form allows him too, if he starts scoring runs again, he'll be around when his 40, he loves it too much.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Yep, there is hardly anything in it.

Certainly not enough for all the outrage about a supposed "shocking" omission.

except Renshaw has had very poor test performances in the last 12 months? Thats a consideration for me.

Yes, its close, but why does it fall Renshaw's way? Bancroft deserved it over Renshaw IMO.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Smith will play as long as his form allows him too, if he starts scoring runs again, he'll be around when his 40, he loves it too much.

Possibly but the cliff falls quickly especially with his technique we are already seeing issues with LBW's. He just didn't miss those balls in his prime.

 

[Around the Wicket]

except Renshaw has had very poor test performances in the last 12 months? Thats a consideration for me.

Yes, its close, but why does it fall Renshaw's way? Bancroft deserved it over Renshaw IMO.

Renshaw is purely there as a injury replacement, anything could happen by the time Khawaja calls it a day.

 

[dogs105]

except Renshaw has had very poor test performances in the last 12 months? Thats a consideration for me.

Yes, its close, but why does it fall Renshaw's way? Bancroft deserved it over Renshaw IMO.

Probably because of the 3 hundreds for the 2nd team. Yes it's close. It's not a shocking decision though.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

except Renshaw has had very poor test performances in the last 12 months? Thats a consideration for me.

Yes, its close, but why does it fall Renshaw's way? Bancroft deserved it over Renshaw IMO.

You mean India in India, colour me shocked he failed when everyone else did.

It's a bit of justice after Renshaw was left out of the side when he shouldn't have for Finch and Harris for goodness sakes. Least Langer isn't there this time to do that again.

Is the call close sure, is it some howler nope. All 3 of these traditional openers have huge queries on them. Least it wasn't Harris who is poor in the field too.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Looks like we've finally made it to the "if you take out their highest scores, their average isn't as good!" stage of the thread....

Surprised it took that long

 

[Around the Wicket]

You mean India in India, colour me shocked he failed when everyone else did.

It's a bit of justice after Renshaw was left out of the side when he shouldn't have for Finch and Harris for goodness sakes. Least Langer isn't there this time to do that again.

Is the call close sure, is it some howler nope. All 3 of these traditional openers have huge queries on them. Least it wasn't Harris who is poor in the field too.

I think Renshaw was averaging like 20 with a Top Score of 36 in Shield in the lead up to that 12 month ban period, he got dropped from QLD there at one point.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I think Renshaw was averaging like 20 with a Top Score of 36 in Shield in the lead up to that 12 month ban period, he got dropped from QLD there at one point.

After being left out for no good reason at the top level. Imagine what it would do to a player's confidence to be left out for a glorified slogger. So happy Langer is gone he had his favourities and it was clear Renshaw wasn't even this week when discussing the candidates you could tell he wasn't a fan of Renshaw.