Best 22

[eskimo]

We're coming towards the end of this season now. After seeing some of our new youngsters now, who do you think will be our best 22 over the coming years. Feel free to throw in some of the youngsters who haven't played (potential based obviously), and also feel free to leave blanks as to where we need to fill a void. Also, if you think someone is going to retire, then feel free to leave them out. Feel free to explain your choices.


For me

FB: Bartram, Frawley, Garland
HB: Davey, Rivers, Grimes
C: Sylvia, McKenzie, Morton
HF: Petterd, Watts, Green
FF: Jurrah, ????, Bennell
R: Jamar, Trengove, Moloney
I: Gawn, Scully, The Jizz, Bail

Im expecting Bruce and McDonald to retire at the end of this year, or next at the latest. Bennell/Aussie/Jetta all vying for the spot in the FP. Jones and Bate unlucky, but neither of them have really come on as much as we would have hoped in the last season or 2. Warnock has been passed by Frawley as a FB, especially with Garland being able to play on talls and smalls as Frawley had been doing. Fitzy could take Gawns place as the second ruck depending on who comes on faster.

At this stage the only thing we are crying out for is a proper full forward. Untile we get one of those Bate keeps his spot. At the end of this year I think Dowler, McKinley and Anthony will be available, and also Wall and Thorpe from the VFL. We could possibly get a trade done with the Hawks for Dowler for Warnock (they love dude's who give away free kicks).

Would be keen to slip Blease, Tapscott and Strauss in there, but until I see a bit of them I'm not willing to drop someone else for them at this stage.


So what do you think?

 

[melbournemartin]

I wouldn't touch Mitch Thorpe with a 10 foot pole.

I think that Nathan Jones still has a spot in the team ahead of someone Bail or Gysberts but he'll be borderline.

 

[Gazza_11]

Fitz could go at full-forward to start with and ruck occasionally. Or you could move one of Watts/Jurrah to FF, have Green/Petter at HF, Scully on the HF flank and Fitz/Gawn on the bench. The Gys should be in the team I think, he'll be our possession grabbing mid. And I like the look of Tapscott as a mid who can go forward. Bail/Blease are very good fringe players.

I don't really like Davey on the HB flank but it has to be I suppose. I'd have Trengove as centre-man and Sylvia/Jordie as rover though. Or Jordie HB flank, Davey wing and Sylvia rover. Trengove is made for the centre though.

 

[BigSexc]

Fitz could go at full-forward to start with and ruck occasionally. Or you could move one of Watts/Jurrah to FF, have Green/Petter at HF, Scully on the HF flank and Fitz/Gawn on the bench. The Gys should be in the team I think, he'll be our possession grabbing mid. And I like the look of Tapscott as a mid who can go forward. Bail/Blease are very good fringe players.

I don't really like Davey on the HB flank but it has to be I suppose. I'd have Trengove as centre-man and Sylvia/Jordie as rover though. Or Jordie HB flank, Davey wing and Sylvia rover. Trengove is made for the centre though.

'the fitz' will be lucky to get into our best 22 EVER! the way he is playing in the VFL, in this day and age kids dont go at pick50 in the draft if they are much good.

and

Blease has played a total of 0 AFL games and 0 VFL games.. therefore i fail to see how he is a 'very good' fringe player..

 

[Gazza_11]

'the fitz' will be lucky to get into our best 22 EVER! the way he is playing in the VFL, in this day and age kids dont go at pick50 in the draft if they are much good.

and

Blease has played a total of 0 AFL games and 0 VFL games.. therefore i fail to see how he is a 'very good' fringe player..

The Fitz is a young ruckman. Let me know when you find one that carved it up in their first year.

And if you didn't understand that let me put in simple terms for you. Blease has enough QUALITY to be a good fringe player for us.

 

[deeman12]

I'm not Warnock's biggest fan but he has more value than Dowler. Really can't think of any players we would get any value out of in exchange for Warnock. Maybe Warnock for Dowler and a second round draft pick would be a more equitable trade. In any case, our recruiters and coach are very conservative so I don't expect any trades this upcoming trade week.

 

[Andy_Mac]

'the fitz' will be lucky to get into our best 22 EVER! the way he is playing in the VFL, in this day and age kids dont go at pick50 in the draft if they are much good.

and

Blease has played a total of 0 AFL games and 0 VFL games.. therefore i fail to see how he is a 'very good' fringe player..

Kurt Tippet went mid 30's, Cale Hooker is going alright and he went in the 50's, Matty Stokes was P61, Swallow and Alipate Carlile were 43 and 44 respectively. Fitz is a long shot, but he was highly rated the year prior to the draft and is doing everything that is being asked of him.

Blease has played 5 VFL reserve games, so I’m paying it. Although I am a bit worried about Blease, if he can play the year out and get through the pre-season then we may have dodged a bullet. Anyone know if it was a radial fracture al la Barlow?

For me i'll go:

FB: Strauss, Frawley, Garland
HB: Davey, Rivers, Grimes
C: Scully, Sylvia, Morton
HF: Petterd, Bate, Bennell
FF: Jurrah, Watts, Green
R: Jamar, Trengove, Moloney
I: Gawn, McKenzie, Gysberts, Tapscott

IF we go KPF with our R1 selection this year i would start to question how long Bate's got left in him. If we got a Darling type they would go into FF with Watts out to CHF.

 

[master bate]

FB: Bartram Warnock Garland
HB: Grimes Frawley Bruce
C: Morton Moloney Davey
HF: Sylvia Watts Bate
FF: Bennell Jurrah Green
Foll: Jamar Trengove Scully
Int: ??????? Petterd McKenzie Macdonald

Backline: After Bartram, Garland, Frawley and Grimes the remaining 3 spots for the backline are extremely close. Warnock v Rivers is a close contest. Then Bruce and Macdonald at their best deserve spots but the young players - Cheney/Strauss and Bail or Morton (prefer on wing) on a flank are closing in. I've gone with Bruce and Macdonald as I think they own those positions at the moment and its too hard to decide who will replace them. Barts may also be superceeded but it will take a while with his current reasonable form.

I've retired Junior from the middle. I'd support the club if they want him to go on next year but I'm concerned that injury will get the better of him. This latest hammy has gone on for what 7 weeks now? But Davey, Moloney, Scully, Trengove, McKenzie probably pick themselves. I've gone with Morton over someone like Jones/Dunn/ a guy with unexposed form (Tapscott/Blease/Gysberts). Green and Syvlia are named in the forward line but along with Bennell should see midfield time in games.

It would be nice to have a big full forward coming along but I think if Watts and Bate can become good players around half forward then Petterd, Jurrah and Green provide very strong targets as rotating full forwards.

Jamar continues to be the number 1 ruck. Hopefully a strong back up emerges. I believe all of the other rucks on our list have a degree of talent, but also have big deficiencies that they need to fill. That said I think Jamar has shown if you excell in a few things (marking, work rate, hit outs, strength) then you can cover over your weaknesses.

 

[LITTLE STINGA]

'the fitz' will be lucky to get into our best 22 EVER! the way he is playing in the VFL, in this day and age kids dont go at pick50 in the draft if they are much good.

McKenzie isn't any good is he? Bail has been pathetic has he? MORON. Do you ever get sick and tired of thinking through your ass. I doesn't matter if they go at pick 1 or 50 you think they are hopeless anyway.

 

[LITTLE STINGA]

B: Davey, Frawley, Bartram
HB: Bail, Garland, Scully
C: Sylvia, Moloney, Trengove
HF: Bate, Watts, Bennell
F: Petterd, Jurrah, Green
Foll: Jamar, Grimes, McKenzie
IC: Gysberts, Morton, Dunn, Johnson

THE BACKLINE

I want to see our poor kicks weeded out of our backline and replaced with good kicks. Warnock, Rivers, Bartram, Bruce, MacDonald and Cheney are generally poor kicks.

I couldn't think of anyone to replace Bartram. Strauss hasn't done enough yet. I wouldn't mind seeing some players who can kick like Wonaeamirri, Maric, Tapscott or Blease being tried down back to see what they can do.

THE MIDFIELD

Is really stating to look strong with plenty of players able to run through there and we will more than likely add Viney to that mix in a couple of years time.

The only problem I think we have is the second ruckman. I think we need an experienced ruckman who can help out Jamar so our project ruckman in Fitzpatrick, Spencer and Gawn can be given time to develop at their own pace.

Johnson has been good the last couple of weeks but can he be trusted to continue on with this form? If not maybe we should trade for West or Fraser as a quick fix or pick up Campbell if he is over his knee problems.

THE FORWARD LINE

Clearly we need a big key forward, but they are hard to find and they will usually need more time to develop. I would be surprised if they didn't recruit a key forward with their first pick in the draft.

I don't see the point in going after a reject. Little, Morton and McKinley are too small and Anthony isn't strong enough.

I think Morton has to become a KPP. We have a lot midfielders now ahead of him and it's probably not gonna get any easier for him in the coming years when Tapscott, Blease, Gysberts etc continue to develop.

We lack KPP so I don't care if it is back or forward but he has to become one, if he doesn't I think it will be a failure from our coaching and development staff.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

With reference to OP's team:

Put Green at FF, Tapscott on that HFF, Bail into the backline for Bartram and Blease into the rotation playing off the bench.

Reading posts above and thinking about players, Jeeeebus we are developing some depth!

Edit: Reckon Dunn is going to come along a bit, as I mentioned in another thread, so he can play at FF also imo, especially when we need more size.

 

[eskimo]

Ideally I would like to see Bail rotating with Sylvia/Morton on the wing. He uses the ball reasonably well, and they are the kind of players we need to free up to get the ball into the forward 50. At the moment its ending up with players like Jones, Moloney, and Scully (some slack is allowed as he is a first year player) whos disposal just isn't good enough, especially when we don't have anyone who can really bust a pack.

Prefer to see Watts at CHF, as he has the massive engine and can run all day. He is also a very good user of the ball, and can pinpoint passes forward.

I really like Bartram in the backline. He has had very few goals kicked on him this year, and his disposal has improved dramatically. If he can take that another step up over summer then he will be great.

Be happy to slot Tapscott onto a HFF, playing the Chapman style role. Just not willing to put anyone into the team who I haven't seen play yet.

And the depth in our team is starting to get very exciting. Plenty to build on for a very bright future!

 

[00Stinger]

FB: Bartram Frawley Garland
HB: Grimes Rivers Bruce
C: Morton Moloney Davey
HF: Sylvia Watts Green
FF: Petterd Jurrah Bate
Foll: Jamar Trengove Scully
Int: Bennell Dunn Jones Macdonald
Emg: McKenzie Gysberts Warnock

 

[Devastating Boris]

Not sure if i read too much into the article but i wonder what the trade value on David Hale would be? Not his biggest fan but we have worse on our list at the moment.

 

[Gazza_11]

I like most of what you say Little Stinga but I don't think we need a quick fix ruckman. It's not as if our window is even open, it'd be wasting a player for an older ruckman, and removing the opportunity for one of ours rookies to get some experience.

And Bartram is as good as any one. Works hard, doesn't have too many goals kicked on him and matches well on small forwards. Quietly efficient, and provides some of our run through HB and the middle.

 

[Surkin]

B: Garland, Frawley, Bartram/Stauss
HB: Grimes, Rivers, Davey
C: Morton, Moloney, Trengove
HF: Sylvia, Watts, Bate/Tapscott
F: Green, Jurrah, Petterd
R: Jamar, Jones, Scully
I: Bennell, Johnson, Bruce, Gysberts

 

[LITTLE STINGA]

I like most of what you say Little Stinga but I don't think we need a quick fix ruckman. It's not as if our window is even open, it'd be wasting a player for an older ruckman, and removing the opportunity for one of ours rookies to get some experience.

I wasn't really looking at it as a premiership window selection. I just think that our project ruckman are a mile away from playing at AFL. I don't want to see a kid like Spencer come into the side and embarrass himself because he wasn't ready like in his 2 games this year. When Spencer, Fitzpatrick or Gawn make their way into the team I want them to have earned it, not by default because we haven't got a reasonable second ruckman.

 

[DemonBlood]

B: Garland Frawley Bartram
HB: Grimes Rivers Macdonald
C:Scully Moloney Davey
HF: Petterd Watts Sylvia
F: Green Jurruh Bennell
R: Jamar Trengove Mckenzie
I/C: Bruce Gysberts Mccdonald Gawn/Johnson
Emg: Bail Strauss Bate

 

[sylvia_the_beast]

Thought id have a go at this.

I am doing this based on the absolute ideal team for Round 1, 2011 when we begin our assault on the finals and our rise to greatness... also assuming that Junior retires, although he may not.



Round 1, 2011 team

B - Clint Bartam - James Frawley - Jack Grimes

HB - Joel McDonald - Jared Rivers - Colin Garland

C - Aaron Davey - Jack Trengove - Cale Morton

HF - Colin Sylvia - Jack Watts - Ricky Petterd

F - Austin Woneamirri - Brad Green - Liam Jurrah

R - Mark Jamar - Tom Scully - Brent Moloney

I/C - Jordie McKenzie - Jamie Bennell - Rohan Bail - Lynden Dunn


Emer - Jordan Gysberts - Nathan Jones - Matthew Bate



The 3 emergencies show our depth.

And I just realised that this leaves Jamar as the only ruck.... and the way PJ has played the last month he is really becoming a great 2nd option.

But tell me, who do you take out for him?

 

[Deefolt]

wow that forward line looks rather frightening kudos sylvia the beast