Best side in last 15 years?

[Panthera]

goes both ways; bombers beat your 2001 side by 60-odd points in 2000 mate.

Not in the Grand Final though

 

[bunsen burner]

could've been a decent poll if it were asking who would win out of the sides, but you've made an arse out of it.

You Bomber fans are so far in denial, "couldn't have been a good poll f there was an angle where Essendon would be better". Laughable.

Would would win at their pick? Who cares. No point in comparing them.
Who had the better year? Essendon, but who cares? This is not what determines the better side.

The better side without any paramters is clearly Brisbane.

 

[Kong]

You Bomber fans are so far in denial, "couldn't have been a good poll f there was an angle where Essendon would be better". Laughable.

Would would win at their pick? Who cares. No point in comparing them.
Who had the better year? Essendon, but who cares? This is not what determines the better side.

The better side without any paramters is clearly Brisbane.

captain *******, in case you had trouble reading, i admitted that brisbane were more successful. that's fact, so i can't see how you perceive me as being in denial. i was merely pointing out the irrelevance of this poll if the question was who was the most successful side (with a pre-conceived answer). but look if you wanna keep having a dig, be my guest, waste your own time.

 

[footy75]

brisbane full stop.

 

[bunsen burner]

captain *******, in case you had trouble reading, i admitted that brisbane were more successful.

So you acknowledge they were the better side?

 

[deeplivid]

It never ceases to amaze me how Brisbane supporters are so stupid and blind. It is you who are in denial. This is a poll about the best side. All you have is "we won three premierships in a row". Footy is NOT all about premierships. That is a very limited way to judge how good a side was. If it were the case I dare a Brisbane fan to come forward and say that Hawthorne 08 was a better side than Geelong 08. Don't make me laugh. How much more narrow-minded can you be?

Here's something I'm sick of waiting for a Brisbane fan to admit that is true: "Brisbane won three premierships but Essendon played better footy." Now that statement is true and true, and if you beg to differ you're on another planet. Some people say they would rather the 3 premierships but I'd honestly prefer the latter truth any day of the week. It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

To all the Lions reading this and thinking, "Bullshit, Brisbane played better footy cos we won three Premierships in a row." No, you did not play better footy, cos you only won three matches in a row. Bunsen burner, if you wanted a poll to satisfy your wildest dreams, you shoulda called the thread "Side who won the most premierships in a row in last 15 years?". By only looking at whether a team won flags you are discrediting and insulting at least 96% of the footy a team plays. That's 24 out of 25 matches in a season, in case you can't do more maths that counting to 3. You might as well go and say the Doggies were the best of 00 cos they won one particular match.

In 00 Essendon played better footy than Brisbane did 01-03. In 99-01 Essendon played better footy than Brisbane 01-03. EVERY match counts, not just the Grand Final and I feel sorry for those who can't see that cos you're not getting the best out of footy. 15 out of 16 teams per year don't win a Grand Final and many haven't won for donkey's years. If anyone thinks Essnedon didn't play the best footy ever, not just the last 15 years but off all time, well I feel sorry for you cos you obviously never saw us play or have blocked out the memory (probably). In fact I wonder if you understand football at all. Brisbane aren't even second on the list for playing good footy. IMO that goes to Carlton 95 (if you think I'm one eye-eyed, remember I loathe the blue balled maggots) or Geelong 08.

If any Brisbane supporter can use your brain (maybe not) and admit that Essendon played better footy than you, better than anyone, you must realise by superlative that they are the best. Sure, not the best at winning premierships in a row in the last 15, but the best at footy. I think I can handle that, can you?

 

[Panthera]

It never ceases to amaze me how Brisbane supporters are so stupid and blind. It is you who are in denial. This is a poll about the best side. All you have is "we won three premierships in a row". Footy is NOT all about premierships. That is a very limited way to judge how good a side was. If it were the case I dare a Brisbane fan to come forward and say that Hawthorne 08 was a better side than Geelong 08. Don't make me laugh. How much more narrow-minded can you be?

Here's something I'm sick of waiting for a Brisbane fan to admit that is true: "Brisbane won three premierships but Essendon played better footy." Now that statement is true and true, and if you beg to differ you're on another planet. Some people say they would rather the 3 premierships but I'd honestly prefer the latter truth any day of the week. It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

To all the Lions reading this and thinking, "Bullshit, Brisbane played better footy cos we won three Premierships in a row." No, you did not play better footy, cos you only won three matches in a row. Bunsen burner, if you wanted a poll to satisfy your wildest dreams, you shoulda called the thread "Side who won the most premierships in a row in last 15 years?". By only looking at whether a team won flags you are discrediting and insulting at least 96% of the footy a team plays. That's 24 out of 25 matches in a season, in case you can't do more maths that counting to 3. You might as well go and say the Doggies were the best of 00 cos they won one particular match.

In 00 Essendon played better footy than Brisbane did 01-03. In 99-01 Essendon played better footy than Brisbane 01-03. EVERY match counts, not just the Grand Final and I feel sorry for those who can't see that cos you're not getting the best out of footy. 15 out of 16 teams per year don't win a Grand Final and many haven't won for donkey's years. If anyone thinks Essnedon didn't play the best footy ever, not just the last 15 years but off all time, well I feel sorry for you cos you obviously never saw us play or have blocked out the memory (probably). In fact I wonder if you understand football at all. Brisbane aren't even second on the list for playing good footy. IMO that goes to Carlton 95 (if you think I'm one eye-eyed, remember I loathe the blue balled maggots) or Geelong 08.

If any Brisbane supporter can use your brain (maybe not) and admit that Essendon played better footy than you, better than anyone, you must realise by superlative that they are the best. Sure, not the best at winning premierships in a row in the last 15, but the best at footy. I think I can handle that, can you?

Yes it is - so I stopped reading after that moronic comment

 

[Schache It Off]

It never ceases to amaze me how Brisbane supporters are so stupid and blind. It is you who are in denial. This is a poll about the best side. All you have is "we won three premierships in a row". Footy is NOT all about premierships. That is a very limited way to judge how good a side was. If it were the case I dare a Brisbane fan to come forward and say that Hawthorne 08 was a better side than Geelong 08. Don't make me laugh. How much more narrow-minded can you be?

Here's something I'm sick of waiting for a Brisbane fan to admit that is true: "Brisbane won three premierships but Essendon played better footy." Now that statement is true and true, and if you beg to differ you're on another planet. Some people say they would rather the 3 premierships but I'd honestly prefer the latter truth any day of the week. It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

To all the Lions reading this and thinking, "Bullshit, Brisbane played better footy cos we won three Premierships in a row." No, you did not play better footy, cos you only won three matches in a row. Bunsen burner, if you wanted a poll to satisfy your wildest dreams, you shoulda called the thread "Side who won the most premierships in a row in last 15 years?". By only looking at whether a team won flags you are discrediting and insulting at least 96% of the footy a team plays. That's 24 out of 25 matches in a season, in case you can't do more maths that counting to 3. You might as well go and say the Doggies were the best of 00 cos they won one particular match.

In 00 Essendon played better footy than Brisbane did 01-03. In 99-01 Essendon played better footy than Brisbane 01-03. EVERY match counts, not just the Grand Final and I feel sorry for those who can't see that cos you're not getting the best out of footy. 15 out of 16 teams per year don't win a Grand Final and many haven't won for donkey's years. If anyone thinks Essnedon didn't play the best footy ever, not just the last 15 years but off all time, well I feel sorry for you cos you obviously never saw us play or have blocked out the memory (probably). In fact I wonder if you understand football at all. Brisbane aren't even second on the list for playing good footy. IMO that goes to Carlton 95 (if you think I'm one eye-eyed, remember I loathe the blue balled maggots) or Geelong 08.

If any Brisbane supporter can use your brain (maybe not) and admit that Essendon played better footy than you, better than anyone, you must realise by superlative that they are the best. Sure, not the best at winning premierships in a row in the last 15, but the best at footy. I think I can handle that, can you?

I Lol'd when you said it's not all about winning Premierships, Ironically you wrote down Brisbane Supporters can't use their Brains, I really do see it. Well Essendon Supporters just aren't going to agree that we are the best side in the past 15 years? I do suspect some smart ass comment is going to jump up at me

 

[Thrawn]

Footy is NOT all about premierships.

Actually, it is.

I am very, very surprised an Essendon supporter would say this.

 

[Nardz]

Actually, it is.

I am very, very surprised an Essendon supporter would say this.

i think (hope) he's just misrepresnted his point.

Footy definitly is all about premierships, but premierships aren't the only indicator of the strength of a team.

just as it's possible for the best team to not win the flag (just look at geelong), it is also possible for a team that has only won 1 flag to have fielded a stronger side than a team that has won 2 or 3 in a row.

the perfect example would be Geelong 07/08 vs adelaide 97/98. Adelaide didnt even finish top 4 in those years whilst geelong had an unbelievable win/loss record. Geelong clearly had the better side, but Adelaide won more flags and that's what counts.

 

[Carlton_Blues]

Carlton '95, but I'm biased

 

[Kong]

i think (hope) he's just misrepresnted his point.

Footy definitly is all about premierships, but premierships aren't the only indicator of the strength of a team.

just as it's possible for the best team to not win the flag (just look at geelong), it is also possible for a team that has only won 1 flag to have fielded a stronger side than a team that has won 2 or 3 in a row.

the perfect example would be Geelong 07/08 vs adelaide 97/98. Adelaide didnt even finish top 4 in those years whilst geelong had an unbelievable win/loss record. Geelong clearly had the better side, but Adelaide won more flags and that's what counts.

great point. history will show that brisbane were better, because they won 3 flags to essendon's 1, but i honestly believe if (somehow) the essendon 2000 side were to play any of the brisbane '01, '02, '03 sides, they would win. and no, the 2001 bombers side does not count.

 

[deeplivid]

I Lol'd when you said it's not all about winning Premierships, Ironically you wrote down Brisbane Supporters can't use their Brains, I really do see it. Well Essendon Supporters just aren't going to agree that we are the best side in the past 15 years? I do suspect some smart ass comment is going to jump up at me

Thanks for proving my point Tripwire - you can't even construct a sentence.

And yes, Nardz, I mean that there is more to footy than premierships. Hence it is not ALL about premierships. Maybe it helps to emphasise all instead of not. I stand by what I said and once again I feel sorry for you if you only judge a side by its premierships.

the perfect example would be Geelong 07/08 vs adelaide 97/98. Adelaide didnt even finish top 4 in those years whilst geelong had an unbelievable win/loss record. Geelong clearly had the better side, but Adelaide won more flags and that's what counts.

 

[mayne_reppin]

well it would have to be brisbane, to be able to be that good for that long is incredible! a champion side that was a thrill to watch. The fast running style combined with leigh's hardness produced a thrilling and hugely successful side.

 

[Schache It Off]

Thanks for proving my point Tripwire - you can't even construct a sentence.

What? what's wrong with it? I was merely pointing out that you said "Footy isn't all about Premierships" By the way, "No Problem"

 

[msk06]

It never ceases to amaze me how Brisbane supporters are so stupid and blind. It is you who are in denial. This is a poll about the best side. All you have is "we won three premierships in a row". Footy is NOT all about premierships. That is a very limited way to judge how good a side was. If it were the case I dare a Brisbane fan to come forward and say that Hawthorne 08 was a better side than Geelong 08. Don't make me laugh. How much more narrow-minded can you be?

Here's something I'm sick of waiting for a Brisbane fan to admit that is true: "Brisbane won three premierships but Essendon played better footy." Now that statement is true and true, and if you beg to differ you're on another planet. Some people say they would rather the 3 premierships but I'd honestly prefer the latter truth any day of the week. It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game.

To all the Lions reading this and thinking, "Bullshit, Brisbane played better footy cos we won three Premierships in a row." No, you did not play better footy, cos you only won three matches in a row. Bunsen burner, if you wanted a poll to satisfy your wildest dreams, you shoulda called the thread "Side who won the most premierships in a row in last 15 years?". By only looking at whether a team won flags you are discrediting and insulting at least 96% of the footy a team plays. That's 24 out of 25 matches in a season, in case you can't do more maths that counting to 3. You might as well go and say the Doggies were the best of 00 cos they won one particular match.

In 00 Essendon played better footy than Brisbane did 01-03. In 99-01 Essendon played better footy than Brisbane 01-03. EVERY match counts, not just the Grand Final and I feel sorry for those who can't see that cos you're not getting the best out of footy. 15 out of 16 teams per year don't win a Grand Final and many haven't won for donkey's years. If anyone thinks Essnedon didn't play the best footy ever, not just the last 15 years but off all time, well I feel sorry for you cos you obviously never saw us play or have blocked out the memory (probably). In fact I wonder if you understand football at all. Brisbane aren't even second on the list for playing good footy. IMO that goes to Carlton 95 (if you think I'm one eye-eyed, remember I loathe the blue balled maggots) or Geelong 08.

If any Brisbane supporter can use your brain (maybe not) and admit that Essendon played better footy than you, better than anyone, you must realise by superlative that they are the best. Sure, not the best at winning premierships in a row in the last 15, but the best at footy. I think I can handle that, can you?

What is a club's goal at the start of every season? TO WIN THE PREMIERSHIP THAT YEAR!

When it comes down to the history people will see:
Brisbane - Premiers 2001,2002,2003,

not Essendon - Won the most games and played the best footy.

And if you as an Essendon supporter would rather have Essendon play "good" footy than winning 3 premierships in a row good luck to ya! And please take no-offence when you are reffered to as a dill.

What a stupid post.

 

[Panthera]

great point. history will show that brisbane were better, because they won 3 flags to essendon's 1, but i honestly believe if (somehow) the essendon 2000 side were to play any of the brisbane '01, '02, '03 sides, they would win. and no, the 2001 bombers side does not count.

Johnson Michael White

Pike Leppitsch C.Scott

Lappin Voss Power

Akermanis Brown Caracella

Bradshaw Lynch McRae

Keating Black Hart


No matter how dominant Essendon was in 2000 - this team at it's prime would've beaten it by 4 goals and proved it in 2001

 

[Kong]

No matter how dominant Essendon was in 2000 - this team at it's prime would've beaten it by 4 goals and proved it in 2001

like i said, '01 is different. different players, different motives, different pre-season.. the '01 side might've had the same core players, but it was still not the 2000 side. if the 2000 side were to play brisbane's '01 side, they'd win.. as for '02 and '03, please! port were the better team all year, they just blew it in the finals. brisbane even lost a qualifying final to collingwood in '03, they just were the best team during the grand final. port beat brisbane's '01-'03 sides in '04 by your definition. essendon beat port that year by 10 goals.
essendon's 2000 side would beat any of brisbane's '01,'02 or '03 sides if they were placed in a time capsule and were to play each other.

 

[Panthera]

like i said, '01 is different. different players, different motives, different pre-season.. the '01 side might've had the same core players, but it was still not the 2000 side. if the 2000 side were to play brisbane's '01 side, they'd win.. as for '02 and '03, please! port were the better team all year, they just blew it in the finals. brisbane even lost a qualifying final to collingwood in '03, they just were the best team during the grand final. port beat brisbane's '01-'03 sides in '04 by your definition. essendon beat port that year by 10 goals.
essendon's 2000 side would beat any of brisbane's '01,'02 or '03 sides if they were placed in a time capsule and were to play each other.

So your saying that the difference with the blah blah blah pre seasons, motives etc etc for seasons 2000 - 2001 would be about 50 pts b/c that's what we we're up in the 2001 GF before easing off

I highly doubt this champ, but you, like everyone is entitled to an opinion

Only FACT b/w these teams in the era we're discussing is the 2001 Grand Final and we know who won that one

 

[james_omahoney]

So your saying that the difference with the blah blah blah pre seasons, motives etc etc for seasons 2000 - 2001 would be about 50 pts b/c that's what we we're up in the 2001 GF before easing off

I highly doubt this champ, but you, like everyone is entitled to an opinion

Only FACT b/w these teams in the era we're discussing is the 2001 Grand Final and we know who won that one

Nobody in their right mind would believe that Essendon played as well in 2001 season and finals as in 2000. Surely you don't believe that? Essendon 00 were far superior to both Essendon 01 and Brisbane 02/03/04.

 

[chewydog]

Um how about Hawthorn side of the 2008, 2009, 2010 era.... awesome side with one of the best players to eva pull on boots - Buddy. Strap yourselves in gentlemen it's going to be one hell of a ride . Best midfield and forward line of the modern era.

 

[deeplivid]

Essendon - Won the most games and played the best footy.

I hope you voted Essendon then. If you didn't, I suggest you read the question again.

 

[Kong]

So your saying that the difference with the blah blah blah pre seasons, motives etc etc for seasons 2000 - 2001 would be about 50 pts b/c that's what we we're up in the 2001 GF before easing off

I highly doubt this champ, but you, like everyone is entitled to an opinion

i've read that a few times and still can only interpret it as "you're saying the difference between '00 and '01 is 50 points because brisbane were up by that much at one stage in the '01 grand final... i highly doubt this <attempt condescending language here, fail miserably". correct me if i'm wrong, but that was what i got from it?

Only FACT b/w these teams in the era we're discussing is the 2001 Grand Final and we know who won that one

Round 8, 2000.
Brisbane Lions9.9 (63)Essendon19.13 (127)
That's a comprehensive smashing, champ
that brisbane 2000 side is just as much the same side as in '01-'03 that essendon's 2001 side is to their '00 side.

run along

 

[Panthera]

i've read that a few times and still can only interpret it as "you're saying the difference between '00 and '01 is 50 points because brisbane were up by that much at one stage in the '01 grand final... i highly doubt this <attempt condescending language here, fail miserably". correct me if i'm wrong, but that was what i got from it?



Round 8, 2000.
Brisbane Lions9.9 (63)Essendon19.13 (127)
That's a comprehensive smashing, champ
that brisbane 2000 side is just as much the same side as in '01-'03 that essendon's 2001 side is to their '00 side.

run along

Let it go Whomb; the poll tells you what people think

And there are definately more Essendon people voting that Brisbane meaning the nuetrals find the Brisbane Lions are seen as the best team of the past 15 years

Essendon was the best team in 2000 though so hopefully that's some consolation

As for the utter stupidity of your 2000 season score; surely you can work out the reason I posted the 2001 Grand Final score was to demonstrate that this was the only time in the past 15 years that the Bombers and Lions finished 1st and 2nd and were at/near their best and the score favoured the Lions. The 2000 score is irrelevant as we were not ready to win a premiership physically or mentally. That changed the next year and we dethroned the team that was supposedly one of the best ever quite easily.

I'm not going to try and convince you that the Lions are the best team in the past 15 years, I don't actually care that you think the 2000 Bombers team is the best, I think it's funny

So do a large percentage of Big Footy posters

 

[Kong]

As for the utter stupidity of your 2000 season score; surely you can work out the reason I posted the 2001 Grand Final score was to demonstrate that this was the only time in the past 15 years that the Bombers and Lions finished 1st and 2nd and were at/near their best and the score favoured the Lions. The 2000 score is irrelevant as we were not ready to win a premiership physically or mentally. That changed the next year and we dethroned the team that was supposedly one of the best ever quite easily.

well if you're going to use that cop-out, essendon in 2001 weren't physically or mentall prepared to win again; their best was behind them (2000). goes both ways, you can't discard the 2000 score i provided if you're going to use the 2001 match as evidence. whether or not brisbane was the same side in 2000 means nothing if you're going to insist that the 2001 bombers were the same as 2000. surely you can understand my point? if not, i'm wasting my time and i won't go any futher.