Big Cricket Thread

[FKASC]

tbf I would also sit out for those pink breast cancer charity days as well

demeaning af having to wear pink when I’m trying to play sport. I only wear pink for God or my wife.

 

[RookiePick]

That’s what I mean about context though - kissing someone’s ring is clearly an act of deferral and subservience to that person. Are you suggesting taking a knee - in a collective, unified gesture - implies subservience to black players?

It's certainly subservience to those who would insist that their way of expressing things "properly" is the only acceptable way of doing things.

Man 1: We are going to do X to show we are against racism
Man 2: That's cool, I too am against racism. I'll wear a T-shirt/hold a placard/stand to attention/Y while you do your thing.
Man 1: Dude, you have to do X because it's been decided.... unless you're secretly a racist??!! That is the only plausible reason you won't do X!

This has nothing to do with racism anymore and has to do with Man 1 seeking to exert power over man 2.

Your implication and veiled attack is far more revealing of your mentality than mine.

Vishy - I am subservient to my wife and she to me.

 

[Goroyals22]

tbf I would also sit out for those pink breast cancer charity days as well

demeaning af having to wear pink when I’m trying to play sport. I only wear pink for God or my wife.

Which would be your right.. you just wont get your match fee.

 

[THE A5]

Wait so CSA didn’t allow the players to even stand hold their arm up? I know last time they had a few players do that while qdk and other just stood there too.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Taking the knee has turned into a political statement to support BLM .

Why Would QDK not be allowed to play in Australia if he chooses not to support a side of identity politics ?

We don't require player to do that if they don't want to

Scorchers don't take the knee before games they take their shoes off stand on the grass and thank the indigenous caretakers of the land here in Australia as a gesture to fight racism.

Why do we have to follow what the US do ?

It's not like their country is the benchmark for anything these days and we shouldn't be following the lead of a country that is such a bloody mess .

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Wait so CSA didn’t allow the players to even stand hold their arm up? I know last time they had a few players do that while qdk and other just stood there too.

I feel a lot of sporting codes are trying to separate sport from politics.

Look at the Olympics

 

[Truckosaurus]

Lendl Simmons faced 35 balls - of which he attacked just five, including the one off which he was bowled for 16. Nineteen of his 35 balls dots and all of his 16 runs came via singles. According to ESPNcricinfo's Smart Stats, which lends context to every performance, Simmons' runs had a negative impact of minus 36.77.

The Simmons no-show chokes up West Indies

Simmons attacked just five off his 35 balls, leaving Gayle, Hetmyer, Pollard and Russell little time to cover up

www.espncricinfo.com

At a certain point if you're struggling you might as well swing for the fences because even if you get out it'll be better for your team than staying in.

 

[Inside Bull]

Love or hate QDK's actions, the South African cricket board have shot themselves in the foot here IMO. They should have known QDK was against taking the knee. Now they have shut out perhaps the best keeper in the world from all 3 formats. He would not be the first "controversial" world-class cricketer they have lost through their stances (hello KP)

Edit: Didn't realise the ICC stance

 

[FKASC]

Taking the knee has turned into a political statement to support BLM .

Why Would QDK not be allowed to play in Australia if he chooses not to support a side of identity politics ?

We don't require player to do that if they don't want to

Scorchers don't take the knee before games they take their shoes off stand on the grass and thank the indigenous caretakers of the land here in Australia as a gesture to fight racism.

Why do we have to follow what the US do ?

It's not like their country is the benchmark for anything these days and we shouldn't be following the lead of a country that is such a bloody mess .

It sounds like the ICC requested that all teams to take a knee shortly before the tournament commenced. They didn’t mandate it but requested that teams do it. CSA probably thought it would not reflect well on them if their players didn’t comply with the request. It also sounds like there are currently some internal issues within CSA with past behaviour of the current head coach, and an assistant coach left recently as a result. So there’s a bit of context around it.

Pretty hard for CSA to let some of their players ignore the ICC request given there’s no separating politics from sport in the CSA. A large part of the their mission appears to be using sport to effect social change in SA, so they are always going to be inherently political and conflicted whether or not we as outsiders like the idea

 

[FKASC]

The Simmons no-show chokes up West Indies

Simmons attacked just five off his 35 balls, leaving Gayle, Hetmyer, Pollard and Russell little time to cover up

www.espncricinfo.com

At a certain point if you're struggling you might as well swing for the fences because even if you get out it'll be better for your team than staying in.

That’s exactly what the commentators were saying at the time. It was a strange innings to watch but wasn’t that big a deal while Lewis was smashing them everywhere

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

It sounds like the ICC requested that all teams to take a knee shortly before the tournament commenced. They didn’t mandate it but requested that teams do it. CSA probably thought it would not reflect well on them if their players didn’t comply with the request. It also sounds like there are currently some internal issues within CSA with past behaviour of the current head coach, and an assistant coach left recently as a result. So there’s a bit of context around it.

Pretty hard for CSA to let some of their players ignore the ICC request given there’s no separating politics from sport in the CSA. A large part of the their mission appears to be using sport to effect social change in SA, so they are always going to be inherently political and conflicted whether or not we as outsiders like the idea

There was no taking the knee before the Australia vs SA game and de kock didn't withdraw so I doubt it was before the tournament.

Sounds like it was just before the SA vs windies game

 

[THE A5]

Taking the knee has turned into a political statement to support BLM .

Why Would QDK not be allowed to play in Australia if he chooses not to support a side of identity politics ?

We don't require player to do that if they don't want to

Scorchers don't take the knee before games they take their shoes off stand on the grass and thank the indigenous caretakers of the land here in Australia as a gesture to fight racism.

Why do we have to follow what the US do ?

It's not like their country is the benchmark for anything these days and we shouldn't be following the lead of a country that is such a bloody mess .

It’s seems to have gained some attention here bow. The BBL basically ruled a line through Chris Gayle after that interview. Maybe QDK is trying to get out of his current deal with CSA and trying to move to England in a kolpak deal or something similar. That said it’s a very risky move to

 

[Truckosaurus]

There was no taking the knee before the Australia vs SA game and de kock didn't withdraw so I doubt it was before the tournament.

There was, but not all did it. I understand that SA players were given three options for expressing solidarity, and it was only before the WI game that this was reduced to "everyone has to take a knee".

 

[kane249]

Will be interesting if/when he breaks his silence on the matter and reveals his reasons why

 

[FKASC]

There was no taking the knee before the Australia vs SA game and de kock didn't withdraw so I doubt it was before the tournament.

Sounds like it was just before the SA vs windies game

Yeah I am just going off a quote from Bavuma’s press conference. He said it wasn’t enough notice from the ICC to discuss it amongst the group. So maybe it was just requested before that match.

 

[Truckosaurus]

Bavuma and his team received a directive from the CSA board at 9am Dubai time on Tuesday, five hours before they were due to take on West Indies, asking the players to collectively take a knee before every game.

Temba Bavuma: Team 'surprised and taken aback' at Quinton de Kock's refusal to take a knee

"As much as you have the choice to decide what you want to do, you can't escape the consequences of the choices and decisions we make"

www.espncricinfo.com

 

[Ochre]

It’s seems to have gained some attention here bow. The BBL basically ruled a line through Chris Gayle after that interview. Maybe QDK is trying to get out of his current deal with CSA and trying to move to England in a kolpak deal or something similar. That said it’s a very risky move to

Aren't kolpak deals no longer a thing after Brexit?

 

[FKASC]

Temba Bavuma: Team 'surprised and taken aback' at Quinton de Kock's refusal to take a knee

"As much as you have the choice to decide what you want to do, you can't escape the consequences of the choices and decisions we make"

www.espncricinfo.com

Yeah there was another quote claiming the ICC had requested all teams comply with it but I can’t find it anymore. Maybe it’s been corrected.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

It’s seems to have gained some attention here bow. The BBL basically ruled a line through Chris Gayle after that interview. Maybe QDK is trying to get out of his current deal with CSA and trying to move to England in a kolpak deal or something similar. That said it’s a very risky move to

Ben dunk refused to take the knee in the big bash and the media tried to throw him under the bus except dunk got massive support on social media so they shut up about it .

 

[Goroyals22]

Will be interesting if/when he breaks his silence on the matter and reveals his reasons why

He doesn't have to say anything about it. Its his business.. No matter what he says he will be done over by social media and left wing nutjobs who wont be happy until he is sacked never to work again for having an alternative view.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

He doesn't have to say anything about it. Its his business.. No matter what he says he will be done over by social media and left wing nutjobs who wont be happy until he is sacked never to work again for having an alternative view.

I think the situation is interesting and would be keen to hear things from his perspective. I certainly think he'll be received better by we 'left wing nutjobs' if he provides some clarification behind his decision and feelings on the subject.

'It's his business' is too simplistic. Like it or not, he's in a privileged position as an international cricketer and his actions and choices influence those who support and follow him. Not sure Radio Silence here is the best way to go, especially if he feels aggrieved by any mandates put on the players.

 

[kane249]

He doesn't have to say anything about it. Its his business.. No matter what he says he will be done over by social media and left wing nutjobs who wont be happy until he is sacked never to work again for having an alternative view.

Calm down Avi, put the chopping board away.

Silence makes the situation worse. There are other people in other sports who have chosen not to kneel, but they explained their situation and people accepted it and moved on. By not addressing the matter it only fuels speculation and makes it worse.

Unless of course QDK does harbour hardcore racist views, in which case it will be a career limiter.

 

[KBLT]

A few highlights from the other Shield matches so far

Labuschagne hit 136 from 208
Abbott took 6/36
Tanveer Sangha took 3/44 on debut

 

[Goroyals22]

Calm down Avi, put the chopping board away.

Silence makes the situation worse. There are other people in other sports who have chosen not to kneel, but they explained their situation and people accepted it and moved on. By not addressing the matter it only fuels speculation and makes it worse.

Unless of course QDK does harbour hardcore racist views, in which case it will be a career limiter.
[/QUOTEthe speculation

In which case its his views and he doesn't have to explain it to anyone. He has said previously his views are is own and he wont explain it.

I mean such great lightweights as Tony Armstrong broke it down to if you don't kneel you racist so if that's the standard why bother trying to explain yourself... Im sure they will drag out Michael Holding shortly to say how he burst into tears or is saddened like it was a direct assault on him.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

WA sent SA in and routed them, all out for 128. Jhye and Morris each took three, sounds like a pack effort by the whole fast bowling cartel though.