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Bluemour Discussion Thread VI (cont. in Part VII)

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To be fair Rockliff was a big fish in a little pond in terms of leadership up there. If he came to us he would be headbutting against a very robust leadership group that is already well established and getting stronger. He would be a little fish in a big pond and, would naturally be trying to prove himself to the new coach and playing group. I can see such a move going well for both.
 
Broadside said:
No dickheads policy. Wrong age profile. Was it Rockliff who bagged the 4 Brisbane players who left that toxic culture, including Docherty?

But Carlton should muddy the water a little by speaking to Rockliff so that Port and Adelaide need to work harder to get Gibbs.
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I actually thought it was the Irishman who then went to the Suns.
 
The Old Dark Navy's said:
This only matters if we are going to the draft with #3.

Would supporters be open to losing Gibbs, #3, 2018 1st and picking up Kelly, Stringer and Rockliff via FA?
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ODNBlue said:
Right, and we finished third last... one of Krueze, Murph, Gibbs or Doc will be our third best player this year... how do you rate them?
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If all 4 were at another club. I'd only be happy if the club chased Doc just because of age profile and talent.

Kruze had an outstanding year but his age and injury history would scare me off if he was an opposition player.

I'd in no way target Gibbs or Murphy. Based on where our list is at and their age.

In reality if you put any of the three into a top 4 side would they be in the best 5 players or even 10? I'm honestly not certain :/ even with Kruze fantastic year. His body hasn't allowed him to do the same for a long time.

So on Rocky if he is a gun for the bottom side he may be the Sam Kerridge for Adelaide.... Hard to say really.

I just don't think his value to Brisbane translates into him being a top 50 or even top 100 AFL player.
 

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bigm386 said:
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If all 4 were at another club. I'd only be happy if the club chased Doc just because of age profile and talent.

Kruze had an outstanding year but his age and injury history would scare me off if he was an opposition player.

I'd in no way target Gibbs or Murphy. Based on where our list is at and their age.

In reality if you put any of the three into a top 4 side would they be in the best 5 players or even 10? I'm honestly not certain :/ even with Kruze fantastic year. His body hasn't allowed him to do the same for a long time.

So on Rocky if he is a gun for the bottom side he may be the Sam Kerridge for Adelaide.... Hard to say really.

I just don't think his value to Brisbane translates into him being a top 50 or even top 100 AFL player.
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Kruez was in the best 2 rucks in the league this year, in a bottom 3 team. Put him in nearly any other team and he's No. 1 and All-Australian. Cripps remaining fit for the entire season and Kruez is No. 1 and All-Australian.

Gibbs would be top 5 in every team in the competition. Murph probably would be.

Interestingly, Rockliff is rated higher (in the AFL player ratings) than every player on our list except Cripps.

Your Sam Kerridge analogy is ridiculous.
 
Broadside said:
No dickheads policy. Wrong age profile. Was it Rockliff who bagged the 4 Brisbane players who left that toxic culture, including Docherty?

But Carlton should muddy the water a little by speaking to Rockliff so that Port and Adelaide need to work harder to get Gibbs.
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Rockliff had a crack at Jarrad Polec for getting ahead of himself in reference to a player who had played so few games (16) being able to nominate a club as his preferred destination.

Hanley tweeted #mummysboysnowhome after they lost Polec, Doc, Longer, Yeo and Karnezis in the one trade period.
 
therubbernub said:
I am not in favour of trading the Gibb- not unless it is a deal we cant refuse- which I cant see us getting. So no. I would be quite excited to have a midfield of Gibbs, Cripps, Murph, Kelly, Rockliff. Nice!
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That's a great outcome, 2 addition quality midfielders should give the engine room a good refresh.
 
bluemahogany said:
No one's paying Rockliff 800k+, will be a end of first round or 2nd round compensation.
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Even given the cap inflation, the threshold could be as low as $720k ($600k in today's terms), so it's not impossible.

Blue__Balls said:
Feels like an "ideal world" scenario where every trade gets us maximum return. Think it'd be more like to be:

Kennedy, Smith and (Griffen?) for Pick 38 and 2018 second rounder (Kennedy is worth the second rounder alone, Devon Smith for 38 is the trade-off for taking Griffen).

Balic for 74 (better to keep Boekhorst, he showed some promise late in the year and will be better than whatever we get at 74 this year).

Lang for 56 (he's no Rhys Palmer, we're not getting him for 135, an early fourth rounder is a good deal).

Pick 10 for Gibbs OR Picks 17 and 35 for Gibbs (one or the other here, top 10 pick alone or late first and change, it's that or he stays).

Pick 3 goes to the draft unless the trade-down scenario happens. Then it's either Pick 10 or Picks 17 and 35. We'd prefer the former, I think the latter is more likely.

Don't think this is the year to take a bunch of late picks into the draft.
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Still don't want Balic, but the price is fine. And don't worry about the depth of the draft late, it's more how much risky talent is jumping up the board because of the lack of genuine first round talent. From 7 onwards, it's like a super long second round.
 
Dravid's in said:
Rockliff had a crack at Jarrad Polec for getting ahead of himself in reference to a player who had played so few games (16) being able to nominate a club as his preferred destination.

Hanley tweeted #mummysboysnowhome after they lost Polec, Doc, Longer, Yeo and Karnezis in the one trade period.
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Didn't he hanley go to GC a year later lol.
 

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Jimmae said:
Even given the cap inflation, the threshold could be as low as $720k ($600k in today's terms), so it's not impossible.


Still don't want Balic, but the price is fine. And don't worry about the depth of the draft late, it's more how much risky talent is jumping up the board because of the lack of genuine first round talent. From 7 onwards, it's like a super long second round.
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A second round that lasts to 50+?

It'll peter out somewhere, and it certainly isn't going to stretch to the fourth round. Sure there'll be a small handful of players that turn out to be worth giving a spot to, but given we've got some good young players already we're better off nailing some genuine upgrades rather than taking a scattergun approach at the back of the draft.

I know people will point to last year's draft haul - but let's be honest with ourselves, we can't expect to stick 3-4 late picks every year from here on out.
 
Jeremias said:
We're not trading for him.

The club hasn't ruled out bringing in a free agent - in fact they've done the exact opposite and openly admitted we're on the lookout for more experience.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-03/blues-will-only-trade-top-pick-for-elite-youth.mobileapp





http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-08-03/blues-will-only-trade-top-pick-for-elite-youth.mobileapp

We're actively looking for mature bodies to rotate through the midfield, and Rockliff is as good an option as any given his status as a free agent. Very good footballer and I reckon we could go close to getting 100 games out of him with his body being the only slight concern there.

He's had some issues over the past few years but from all reports really knuckled down in 2017 and put it all behind him. If we're confident he's not going to be a disruptive influence then going after him is an absolute no-brainer IMO.
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Maybe things have changed now that Casboult has re-signed. We don't have to worry about any incoming free agents diluting any compo we would have received.
 
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Blue__Balls said:
A second round that lasts to 50+?

It'll peter out somewhere, and it certainly isn't going to stretch to the fourth round. Sure there'll be a small handful of players that turn out to be worth giving a spot to, but given we've got some good young players already we're better off nailing some genuine upgrades rather than taking a scattergun approach at the back of the draft.

I know people will point to last year's draft haul - but let's be honest with ourselves, we can't expect to stick 3-4 late picks every year from here on out.
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100% agree with you, but if I'm just bumbling around on the internet without much assistance and finding 50 players that look like good additions to our list, it's a good draft for depth.

That number will probably double by the time AFL Media pump out their tracker. :p
 
branedotorg said:
you probably shouldn't have opened with MitchRobinson12, freelance internet football expert


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'come with me, if you want to play'
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Why did I read that with an accent?
 
Tommy Alvin said:
SOS is a smart boy. He wont be looking for list cloggers like Rockliff & Young or complete tools like Stringer unless he has done his due diligence. I also think that SOS will be saying yes to everything at this stage. Why deny or say no to anything at this stage? Keep them guessing. Make them make the plays whilst quietly working on the best players and options.

Reel em in SOS!

TA
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List clogger? FFS! He walks into our starting midfield.
 

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bmaurizio said:
That's a great outcome, 2 addition quality midfielders should give the engine room a good refresh.
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Its sort of a reverse collingwood. Pies threw everything at their midfield only to come up short with the rest of their team structure. We on the other hand have sorted the structure out first and unless Harry and SOj stop developing, we have only to bolt an elite midfield together and we should be able to make the 8. Our Defence is brimming full of mobile smart defenders and with Jones coming on , we can now relax when playing a team with a gorilla forward. At least one of our defenders can be swung forward to trial there. I think next year our forward line will be competitive and we will know more at the end of 2018 where we are at with regards to forward needs.

But what we do know now for sure, is that we need elite mids. If we can bring one in using #3 (kelly) and Rockliff using our salary cap room, then IMO our midfield goes from also ran to Elite- wit more development to come as the youngsters mature. The key is to retain Gibbs and then the new Mids eg kelly and Rockliff fall straight to our Midfield depth bottom line. trade Gibbs and the impact of the new Mids will be reduced by 50%
 
ParapMarkets said:
I disagree in this instance. The rumours surrounding the culture that existed up there are particularly worrying. Forcing first year players to drink their own urine etc. If these things are in fact true, with Docherty up there at the time I would expect that SOS would be having a chat to doc re: Rockliff. Maybe all the rumours are complete BS and Docherty would be happy for him to be recruited, but some bullying tactics are hard to get over and if we are to build a united culture out there we shouldn't be recruiting potential hand grenade without discussing it with those who have first hand knowledge first.
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Doc doesn't have first hand knowledge of anything to do with Rockliff in recent seasons. Anything he could tell SOS now about him would be nothing more than hearsay. He may just be a completely different person now to the one he knew when he was there.
 
therubbernub said:
His 2017 stats are no where near as impressive- was he playing injured? But his 2016 stats are very impressive
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Yes, he came back almost straight away after doing his shoulder before the bye. Also played a tagging/negating role sometimes this season.
 
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