Bluemour Discussion Thread XVII - Coniglio means Rabbit in Italian!

[Stamos]

i think it's utter nonsense that Voss is categorized as being far inferior based on coaching a crap list at Brisbane when he was in his early 30's...
Right now i see him as a champion player who has gained invaluable coaching experience since retiring and currently heading a very strong Port midfield under a good coach in Hinkley.

For me, it's the second part more than the first that's the issue.
Port are mediocre.
Is Hinkley a good coach? His record would say not.

Personality, ability etc. aside, Teague has a much better resume than Voss.

 

[Arr0w]

Carlton cleaned out basically our entire coaching panel at the end of 2012 when Ratten got the chop.

I always thought it was less a traditional coaching overhaul and more a deliberate attempt by Malthouse to surround himself with loyal associates and newbie coaches who would likely be yes-men.

It can be tricky managing someone who covets your job (I've been on both sides), but I'd rather manage someone who is competent and ambitious than incompetent and content...

I think Voss would make a strong senior assistant and Teague appears to be someone who would be comfortable with that appointment.

Perfectly put, the likes of Clarkson/Hawthorn has been a breeding ground for future coaches, Teague/Carlton should aspire to create a similar pathway

 

[Cliffords Blues]

I can't. As elite as b70 is, I can't remember ep being wrong. b70 is far more frequent which puts him at greater risk of getting one wrong. Both super elite, it's like Cripps vs Walsh.

And we are very very lucky to have all of them

 

[HARKER]

I can't. As elite as b70 is, I can't remember ep being wrong. b70 is far more frequent which puts him at greater risk of getting one wrong. Both super elite, it's like Cripps vs Walsh.

Barass simply puts forward the state of play. If SOS thinks he has a player, that's what will be communicated.
Sometimes things change as we go along, but on what Barass outs forward - It's simply A-Grade info.

It also seems to me that Barass is across all departments, not 'specialising' in any one field. He's/She's fully equipped

 

[Benaly28]

Maybe we need one of these.....

‘My understanding is.........’

 

[Crippa#9]

For me, it's the second part more than the first that's the issue.
Port are mediocre.
Is Hinkley a good coach? His record would say not.

Personality, ability etc. aside, Teague has a much better resume than Voss.

Easy to sit back and say "Port are mediocre" Stamos. You cant judge Voss just on generalized view of the team.

They are a flakey team but If you look into a little more, you'll see Port's midfield (of whom Voss is specifically in charge of) are
#1 in the AFL for contested possessions
#2 in the AFL for total disposals
#6 in the AFL for tackles
#2 in the AFL for tackles inside 50
#1 in the AFL for total distance at high speed.

Where they are poor are in the marking department and generally forward 50 efficiency which says they're midfield are working hard & successfully but their forwards are letting the team down.

 

[Gavstar]

have to laugh at some of the comments about not renewing (or even burning!) memberships based on a Voss appointment.
If Voss is deemed the right man for the job by a selection panel that has piles of intel & information than I'll be first in line to throw my support behind him. The club is bigger than any one individual.
I really hope Teague gets the job but i think it's utter nonsense that Voss is categorized as being far inferior based on coaching a crap list at Brisbane when he was in his early 30's...
Right now i see him as a champion player who has gained invaluable coaching experience since retiring and currently heading a very strong Port midfield under a good coach in Hinkley.
If it's not Teague, I'm very comfortable with Voss.

I'm not all I can go on is the evidence and the evidence relating to his time at Brisbane was damning.

In all aspects drove players out of the club, made crazy list management decisions and was a poor player manager

Port is not exactly a model of what success looks like either .

Most importantly one of our Captain's openly supports Teague, and I'm guessing our second Captain wouldn't be his strongest supporter.

Voss might lose the players before he even arrives.

PS If Adelaide go feral on Pyke I expect them to go all in for Teague.

 

[Aphrodite]

Barass simply puts forward the state of play. If SOS thinks he has a player, that's what will be communicated.
Sometimes things change as we go along, but on what Barass outs forward - It's simply A-Grade info.

It also seems to me that Barass is across all departments, not 'specialising' in any one field. He's/She's fully equipped

Can confirm!

 

[90N90S]

#notovoss

 

[Styxx]

I was always under the impression the player exodus at Brisbane was AFTER Voss got the sack. Pretty sure there was a pretty big issue amongst the playing group themselves and Rockliff played a big role in that.


As far as cap space going forward, we underspent big time so we are pretty loaded next few years, plus the cap gets bigger every year which would be well accounted for by all clubs.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I'm not all I can go on is the evidence and the evidence relating to his time at Brisbane was damning.

In all aspects drove players out of the club, made crazy list management decisions and was a poor player manager

Port is not exactly a model of what success looks like either .

Most importantly one of our Captain's openly supports Teague, and I'm guessing our second Captain wouldn't be his strongest supporter.

Voss might lose the players before he even arrives.

PS If Adelaide go feral on Pyke I expect them to go all in for Teague.

Re-treading old ground here.

Brisbane signed him up with absolutely no relevant experience in coaching. He had signed a contract at WC as an assistant for 2009, but when the Brisbane gig opened up the Eagles gave him the all-clear to apply. He went from retiring at the end of 2006, to coaching the U/17 AIS squad in 2007/08, to coaching Brisbane in 2009. He was not ready. He didn't know what the role was. He'd never been involved in the coaching process at an AFL club. It's no surprise whatsoever that he made poor choices in regards to recruitment and list management, and that's on the Lions for letting him have any input into those areas.

I don't know if he's 100% ready for another chance. But if he is, he should be on our radar at the least. If he can present as a better option than the guy who's taken us to 5 wins from 8 outings, with two losses by less than a goal and a respectable loss against the reigning premiers, then maybe he IS the best candidate.

I feel it may be too great a risk. Teague is starting to feel "safe". Nobody is going to lose their minds if we sign him up at the end of the season, and if it doesn't pan out for whatever reason then we go back to the well and try and lure a "name". If we sign Voss, Teague lands elsewhere, and we start next season poorly, it'll probably prematurely end a few administrative careers. Then again, if we sign Voss, a bunch of people lose their shit, and then he takes us to a flag within 3 years...

 

[Stamos]

Easy to sit back and say "Port are mediocre" Stamos. You cant judge Voss just on generalized view of the team.

They are a flakey team but If you look into a little more, you'll see Port's midfield (of whom Voss is specifically in charge of) are
#1 in the AFL for contested possessions
#2 in the AFL for total disposals
#6 in the AFL for tackles
#2 in the AFL for tackles inside 50
#1 in the AFL for total distance at high speed.

Where they are poor are in the marking department and generally forward 50 efficiency which says they're midfield are working hard & successfully but their forwards are letting the team down.

I'm not marking him down for being at Port, so much as not marking him up because he's only been at Port.
Also not necessarily marking him down for his time at Brisbane, but certainly not marking him up for that.

His resume doesn't stack up to Teague's (NBs to 2 GFs, West Coast's backline, 1 year at St Kilda, Adelaide's forwardline into a GF, then Carlton).

Voss needs to go to another club, and get some more experience.

 

[Percy2257]

Can confirm!

Has Barass indicated anything about Voss?

 

[TerryWallet]

Anyone who knows anything about politics will know about trial balloons.

Vossy was interviewed. Judgements would have been made. The trial balloon has been floated. Herald Sun is Carlton's info medium of choice atm. My judgement is that the balloon is leaking air, as probably expected.

Then Teague is announced.

Everyone happy.

Basic good management, process, and media management.

 

[F_therest]

Would not be at all surprised to see Voss at Carlton next year.

Got a feeling it will be in a role other than senior coach.

The NB's would benefit hugely from having someone with Voss's profile at the helm. Would assist in recruiting some more quality VFL talent to supplement the tail of the CFC list each week. Would also be a smart move for Voss if he's serious about coaching at AFL level - get some valuable experience coaching his own team, and work with a very talented list which really should be performing well at that level over the next few years.

Could also see him being sounded out for a senior assistant role looking after our midfield/stoppages with Barker apparently on the way out. Would make a lot of sense if he's not in line for any of the current jobs, and wants to get out of Port and maybe hitch his wagon to a team on the rise. Certainly wouldn't hurt his chances for future opportunities down the track.

Both scenarios make a lot more sense than handing him our senior coaching position when the bloke in the chair right now is getting fantastic results.

Makes too much sense.

Keep hearing noise about Voss, Barker on the way out as midfield/stoppage coach which is the same area Voss coaches, committee attracted to 'experience' so would likely be keen to have Voss in the box as senior assistant to Teague.

Port aren't really going anywhere and Hinkley under pressure. Kochie also gave him a public clip for interviewing with us which i doubt he'd be happy about.

Wouldn't be surprised if Voss received feedback that he needs to expand his apprenticeship at other clubs if he's a chance at another senior role...been at Port ever since he was sacked from Brisbane. He gets a new challenge, being in charge of a very talented young midfield and if he helps guide us back into the top 8/4., his CV will look a lot better.

 

[Broadside]

Keep hearing noise about Voss, Barker on the way out as midfield/stoppage coach which is the same area Voss coaches, committee attracted to 'experience' so would likely be keen to have Voss in the box as senior assistant to Teague.

it's going to be embarrassing for supporters if this happens after PP is burned down. Going to take an Amish-style effort to rebuild the barn over the weekend.

 

[Aphrodite]

Has Barass indicated anything about Voss?

Not too sure.
Why don't you tag him and ask him.


This is from the NO DISCUSSION thread ...

Rumour - Bluemour File *rumours only - NO DISCUSSION*

Tom Papley will be at Carlton next year on a 5 year deal. #Bluemour

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Robertio]

I'm not all I can go on is the evidence and the evidence relating to his time at Brisbane was damning.

In all aspects drove players out of the club, made crazy list management decisions and was a poor player manager

Port is not exactly a model of what success looks like either .

Most importantly one of our Captain's openly supports Teague, and I'm guessing our second Captain wouldn't be his strongest supporter.

Voss might lose the players before he even arrives.

PS If Adelaide go feral on Pyke I expect them to go all in for Teague.

2 first round picks will get it done.

 

[ESKIE]

Has Barass indicated anything about Voss?

Check the bluemour no discussion thread Perc’

 

[ESKIE]

Anyone who knows anything about politics will know about trial balloons.

Vossy was interviewed. Judgements would have been made. The trial balloon has been floated. Herald Sun is Carlton's info medium of choice atm. My judgement is that the balloon is leaking air, as probably expected.

Then Teague is announced.

Everyone happy.

Basic good management, process, and media management.

Sounds plausible, wonder what voss was doing at the ground yesterday

 

[Aphrodite]

Check the bluemour no discussion thread Perc’

I already checked.

No mention of Voss in there from barass.

 

[tencentpiece]

Papley in play

 

[ESKIE]

Brrrring him

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Papley would be great!

 

[Waite_30]

Papley in play

What's the likelihood? A few clubs are linked to him.