Rumour Bluemour Discussion XLI

[teddy-hopkins]

While I wouldn't call Moir explosive, you can also grab all of those from DFA at the moment really:

Schoenberger
Shiel
Frost
Derksen

Possibility of players like Phillips, Coffield and Harvey being available as well. We clearly don't have the list space for all of them, but they are potentially available. We'd also probably have to forego delisting Elijah in order to wrangle the cap space.


We also have 2027 father-son and academy selections to think about. It's a big run of players coming up.

I don't blame Hewett for what's happening at all, as it's usually him and Walsh left to close down the spread. We need variety, and more than just Jagga, but it's not about the quality of the personnel, it's about the overall attributes as a regular configuration at the centre bounce.

Looking forward to more looks in 2026, with Moir, Smith, maybe Kemp, Williams, Ainsworth, and perhaps a top 5 draftee...

As great as Butters is I don't want him.

We need a key forward. I hope we are chasing King or Walter. If JUH gets going walter will play a fair bit of VFL and will not cost a huge amount in a trade.

Butters would be great but what do we do with the other 6 mids we've already got plus Jagga and Walker.?

And his price in a trade will be astronomical. More than what we got for Charlie.

Humphrey also makes more sense than butters.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

That St Kilda was always the plan from a long way out. The whole Pies and Dogs dealings was a charade so the deal with St Kilda didn't appear as nepotism. JSOS left for money as it was his last contract. That's fine and i totally understand, but don't tell me he went to St Kilda for anything more.

I agree. And I get it. I don't think he's ever been on big money at Carlton. Always signing small short term deals. He has a chance to set up his future.

Such a shame we didn't move him to the back line earlier. We only really saw 10 games of peak JSOS.

 

[mOccO77]

I agree. And I get it. I don't think he's ever been on big money at Carlton. Always signing small short term deals. He has a chance to set up his future.

Such a shame we didn't move him to the back line earlier. We only really saw 10 games of peak JSOS.

Agian, I truely dont think it would have made any difference. This was happening from mid 2024.

 

[DangerousD]

Yeah because they don't care about burning picks so long as they can match their academy players...

7+8 were always going to be put toward paying for them anyway. It was essentially a free hit.

If Trac didn't choose GC, they might've been a contender for Charlie and we would've got the same I'd imagine.

Im more looking at a potential reference for a potential Butters trade, i think it will be in line with other matched free agent bids, regardless, its a great result for Melbourne.

 

[DangerousD]

As great as Butters is I don't want him.

We need a key forward. I hope we are chasing King or Walter. If JUH gets going walter will play a fair bit of VFL and will not cost a huge amount in a trade.

Butters would be great but what do we do with the other 6 mids we've already got plus Jagga and Walker.?

And his price in a trade will be astronomical. More than what we got for Charlie.

Humphrey also makes more sense than butters.

Im tipping King will move back to VIC, if he has a strong year, he will command a big contract, length and $$$$, im convinced this is why GC didnt look to move on Walter.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

That's culture and leadership. Jack Silvagni is a player who wants to win at all costs. For him to jump ship confirms the club is in a massive hole and he couldn't see anything to indicate its changing anytime soon.

The opposing view is that he left because the club has taken the first steps to solve the problem, and has stopped being wagged by the tail (ie the players). He got the shts and left, same as Charlie.

 

[Gavstar]

Or he just wanted the cash injection from
Papa.

Or a combination of many things of which we are all only guessing including issues at Carlton.

Let's accept it and move on.

I could never question the efforts he gave on the field even when played totally out of position and for me that's all I can really judge any players performance on.

Too many players gave up at times on the field this year including players in our leadership group. Will they be accountable this year at the selection table if not well nothing has really changed culturally then.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Cmon Opium, look at the whole picture

Charlie had to go. Culture and SC pressure and we effectively replaced him with 2 best 23 players and three first round picks. For a 29 year old

Pick 11 (maybe with 9)could easily get us another gun mid
Jagga is back
Walker next year we have now secured without having to do anything else
Walsh will hopefully be fit
Ben Campo coming through
Massive wraps on Ison
Moir looking to build in the middle

This on top of Cripps Hewett Lord & Cerra

Now supported by genuine outside run in Florent Cheser Wilson and more

Aleer was never an option
Ainsworth fills a need and was cheap

And we haven’t finished yet and haven’t blown money or picks on the quick fixes that have failed before

Too much sense for this place. Stop it. It's bad for business.

 

[ferrisb]

Obviously not a North fan, but shoving Boomer Harvey out the door despite clearly having at least 1 more year left still gets me annoyed. Can't believe Brad got support with that decision internally.

100% Boomer could have played on. And well.

But he was 38yo and North badly needed to rejuvenate its list.

I get it.

 

[RPCB]

That's culture and leadership. Jack Silvagni is a player who wants to win at all costs. For him to jump ship confirms the club is in a massive hole and he couldn't see anything to indicate its changing anytime soon.

Mate, he went to St Kilda. Not what someone who wants to win at all costs does.

 

[Coops93]

100% Boomer could have played on. And well.

But he was 38yo and North badly needed to rejuvenate its list.

I get it.

I understood the logic, but the execution wasn't correct. They obviously wanted a refresh and moved on some other older guys who were on the downward trajectory - Drew Petrie, for example - but Boomer had shown he was still up to AFL level and was still in their best handful of players.

 

[ctwenty1]

Mate, he went to St Kilda. Not what someone who wants to win at all costs does.

good point, and well made

 

[katmanblue]

It was widely reported that when JSOS announced he was leaving the offers before him were similar to our offer. It was some time later that the inflated offer from the Saints came in.

Those who like to spruke that he left for money are doing him a disservice IMO. I don't know why he wanted out but from all reports it wasn't initially for money.

So you are saying he didn't know what his dad was going to offer before it was made public?

 

[Numero 31]

The sooner we delist Elijah, the sooner all these delusional scenarios of him being around next year can stop. It is clear his position at the club has become untenable.

I wholeheartedly agree. It is a shame, the lad has talent and ability but CFC is not a charity, it is a professional football club. By all means offer him some ongoing support if we can. I hope Elijah can sort himself out and get back on track. He may need to go play VFL or SANFL to prove he has sorted himself out if he is to have another shot at AFL football again.

 

[Rosscoe 17]

That's culture and leadership. Jack Silvagni is a player who wants to win at all costs. For him to jump ship confirms the club is in a massive hole and he couldn't see anything to indicate its changing anytime soon.

Here is my take Opium.

Austin and Agresta painted themselves into a corner with our cap; restricting our ability to push on for a flag. New leadership had to make tough decisions and got us the best possible outcome under the circumstances.

Yes the culture and leadership under Cook, Lloyd and the coaching staff but certainly not the incumbant. I am actually encouraged going forward.

 

[Sector 7G]

That's culture and leadership. Jack Silvagni is a player who wants to win at all costs. For him to jump ship confirms the club is in a massive hole and he couldn't see anything to indicate its changing anytime soon.

If that was true JSOS would not have chosen St Kilda. Chose money/parental approval despite the complication having your dad a your boss created 5 years ago.

 

[yibbida]

Walker next year we have now secured without having to do anything else

Doesn't this all depend on what the new rules are?

If he is bid on before pick 1 and we finish 1st and Sydney 2nd, we probably wont' have enough points?

 

[xDQ82x]

Confirmed today that there is zero percent chance that Elijah Hollands stays.

 

[We may never win again]

Confirmed today that there is zero percent chance that Elijah Hollands stays.

Such a waste, could’ve been a star

 

[Blue Gertrude]

Here's a question for those that know.

Are there premiership players in teams in the last 10 years who have done worse or equivalent to whatever it was that Elijah Hollands has done?

What about Collingwood 2023? Did they carry a few Elijah Holland's types? Are we saying De Goey has not been as bad as Elijah Hollands.

If player behavior and player delistings effects the performances of the current players then these are the resilience issues Voss was talking about and it's those players who are better off let go. If player performance or attendance drops because Elijah Hollands is there then those player are weak as piss and don't belong on the list of a successful and culturally strong list. That there would be a cultural issue, not with Elijah but with those who drop. Good culture = elite level of competitiveness that is not negotiable. Good culture = resilience.

If we have a good culture at this club and the club haven't forgotten that being in the AFL is a football competition then maybe we are overreacting regarding Hollands. Maybe other clubs do better in this situation and win flags where we offload blokes and be Carlton.

If someone does a shit in the swimming pool, it doesn't matter how "resilient" the other swimmers are, their experience will be effected by the shit.

I would dearly love EH to be right to go.

But I think there is zero chance that CFC publicly and privately have asked him to find another home because he has anxiety and drinks too much when he's by himself, as the Peter Ryan article suggested. There is clearly a lot more to it than that.

You talk about good culture? What good culture is NOT is being so unprofessional and amateur in you life that the club is asking you to leave, and god knows the bar for that is pretty damnhigh. I trust the new regime, who have all the info (unlike us flogs), to make that judgement call.

I have a lot of empathy for people who are struggling with mental health and addiction issues. And if Walshy can fix him, I'm here for it because I'd love a fit and well Elijah tearing down the forward flank. But I have no problem with the Club drawing a line given the number of chances he's had, and I hope he gets proper support outside of the club.

 

[Faz 2000]

Confirmed today that there is zero percent chance that Elijah Hollands stays.

Geez, whatever he's done must be more significant than the "battle with alcohol" reported.

What a shame. Talented boy.

 

[Pablito]

Confirmed today that there is zero percent chance that Elijah Hollands stays.

Thanks for confirming.

Said it at the start of the year, should've cut him earlier. Unfortunately blokes like that will just keep wasting chances given to them. I've seen similar situations personally and sadly it usually ends poorly.

 

[JJBagger]

If someone does a shit in the swimming pool, it doesn't matter how "resilient" the other swimmers are, their experience will be effected by the shit.

I would dearly love EH to be right to go.

But I think there is zero chance that CFC publicly and privately have asked him to find another home because he has anxiety and drinks too much when he's by himself, as the Peter Ryan article suggested. There is clearly a lot more to it than that.

You talk about good culture? What good culture is NOT is being so unprofessional and amateur in you life that the club is asking you to leave, and god knows the bar for that is pretty damnhigh. I trust the new regime, who have all the info (unlike us flogs), to make that judgement call.

I have a lot of empathy for people who are struggling with mental health and addiction issues. And if Walshy can fix him, I'm here for it because I'd love a fit and well Elijah tearing down the forward flank. But I have no problem with the Club drawing a line given the number of chances he's had, and I hope he gets proper support outside of the club.

The fact that a team wasn’t willing to offer a future fourth round draft pick for him says to me that his problems are well known. And they almost certainly are not “anxiety and drinking too much by himself”

 

[The Bighouse]

So you are saying he didn't know what his dad was going to offer before it was made public?

His dad wasn’t even involved in any negotiations…..riiiiight

 

[RPCB]

Is the club waiting for an invitation to release Elijah Hollands?