Autopsy Blues down by 57 points after woeful first half

[mediumsizered]

He’s not improving. Sure I’m being negative. But he’s not. He didn’t improve from his 17th year to his 18th. Nor his 18th to his first afl year. And hasn’t improved this year compared to last. He’s a concern. He was 14 possessions and 7 contested last year. This year possessions slightly up and contested down. Goals per game down.

I look for trends in younger players and he’s flat lining I’m afraid.

A 2nd year player flat lining. Unprecedented.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

I'm not. It's a part of life that negative things always tend to stand out more than the positive.

Most of the time during match threads I post positive stuff, when I see a kid do something to get excited about, when the team has good passages of play etc.

But I'm not going to be positive when we get our arses kicked by a team with more or less equivalent experience as us and I'm certainly not going to jump on some bandwagon of 'courageous' supporters who want to clap for a dismal effort.

Did you hear the boos at half time? I guess the majority of that 20k that showed up weren't real supporters, right?

Glass half empty type of guy. We get it now

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I dont need to. Its as clear as day. You just don't have the brain capacity.

And the reason many people still clapped as the team walked off is because to them, the club, the players are family. They will support no matter what, hence the word supporter. Unfortunately there are flakey AF supporters out there also...

What a croc of shit.

I'm guessing everything has been rosey for your family your whole life?

Think of it this way, you get pissed off at them, doesn't mean you're not going to support them and want them to be successful in the future.

Would you clap for your kids if they commit a crime?

 

[mickelboy182]

That's right you were at a birthday for our last win

Play on

Literally posted in the autopsy thread how happy I was for the boys. Keep making shit up though

 

[Gethelred]

I literally pointed one out right then... 'people only showing up after a loss' is a shocking thing to put forward when we are 1 and 11.

That is not a logical fallacy.

These are logical fallacies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Now, if you wanted to make another point - for example, that they only ever show up after a loss doesn't mean that their criticism is wrong - then that is something else. But merely throwing words like 'logical fallacies' or 'holes in your argument/reasoning' when they don't mean what you think they mean is not good arguing, nor does it make you look smart.

 

[Muddy Gee]

Wow what’s a Kogan agora

It's the Daewoo Lanos of phones $$$


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[Nori]

I feel I'm part of the Carlton family. I would never verbally bash my brother or sister. Opposition supporters feed on Carlton tears. I prefer to keep their bellies empty.

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I think the Freo supporters just felt sorry for us. That was my observation anyway.

I don’t have a problem with supporters booing the team after that half of footy. I do have a problem with players being singled out for malevolent verbal attacks. Fortunately this wasn’t happening where I was sitting.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Yeah, there was more to that passage of play. Just before half time Kerr took a mark and didn't turn around quickly to see if there were any options for a pass off. If he had he would have seen Kreuzer standing by himself in the goal square.

There is no doubt Kerr would have copped a mouthful at half time for being selfish. After this he was too shell shocked to have another shot at goal for the rest of the game.

Oh I saw that. It's what made Kerr a triple-non-threat in the one game:

Took it upon himself to kick the first one, missed.
Got a spray and went into his shell.
Had a chance to redeem himself, and passed it off.

I'd rather he had a shot at the second one and miss than pass it off. Classic Carlton avoidance culture.

 

[Arr0w]

Literally posted in the autopsy thread how happy I was for the boys. Keep making shit up though

One post, well done, i guess you have way more to say after a loss.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Glass half empty type of guy. We get it now

No, you don't get anything. And who's this 'we' you're talking about? LOL.

 

[Dadda Dave]

I thought Samo was ok in patches yesterday... however he has no hurt factor, maybe that will come as he develops

I'd like to have a look at his stats after half time , the first half was quite good and i don't remember seeing him do much after that .

 

[AceAndy]

As you say Andy it is an opinion, yet people that disagree with the negative sentiment, are labeled as having blue coloured glasses.

IMO, people can post whatever they like, but surely all of us can rebut an opinion

Interesting though, some only show up after a heavy loss, yet not many celebrate the positives.

It is an interesting lack of balance

I agree all of us can rebut an opinion but it just seems to me it degenerates pretty quickly into personal insults and it is not a good look for the forum.

The people that only show up after a loss doesnt really worry me at all but clearly it is an issue for some posters. Again, it seems to degenerate pretty quickly.

 

[Arr0w]

No, you don't get anything. And who's this 'we' you're talking about? LOL.

We as in most of us

 

[mickelboy182]

That is not a logical fallacy.

These are logical fallacies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Now, if you wanted to make another point - for example, that they only ever show up after a loss doesn't mean that their criticism is wrong - then that is something else. But merely throwing words like 'logical fallacies' or 'holes in your argument/reasoning' when they don't mean what you think they mean is not good arguing, nor does it make you look smart.

What the **** are you talking about? He is basically saying I only post after losses (untrue, posted after Ess win) and using that as if I am trolling... If that isn't unsound logic I'm not sure what is. Of course I post after losses a lot, considering 11/12 weeks have been losing weeks....

 

[Arr0w]

I agree all of us can rebut an opinion but it just seems to me it degenerates pretty quickly into personal insults and it is not a good look for the forum.

The people that only show up after a loss doesnt really worry me at all but clearly it is an issue for some posters. Again, it seems to degenerate pretty quickly.

Surely you see the irony

 

[Blue_Fusion]

We as in most of us

Oh really? Care to prove that or can you only give your opinion...

 

[ESKIE]

I agree all of us can rebut an opinion but it just seems to me it degenerates pretty quickly into personal insults and it is not a good look for the forum.

The people that only show up after a loss doesnt really worry me at all but clearly it is an issue for some posters. Again, it seems to degenerate pretty quickly.

Of course it degenerates ..

 

[mickelboy182]

One post, well done, i guess you have way more to say after a loss.

Typically, yeah... I think you'll find that's human nature to have more thoughts after a loss.

I'm sorry I didn't meet your quota

 

[ESKIE]

I'm not. It's a part of life that negative things always tend to stand out more than the positive.

Most of the time during match threads I post positive stuff, when I see a kid do something to get excited about, when the team has good passages of play etc.

But I'm not going to be positive when we get our arses kicked by a team with more or less equivalent experience as us and I'm certainly not going to jump on some bandwagon of 'courageous' supporters who want to clap for a dismal effort.

Did you hear the boos at half time? I guess the majority of that 20k that showed up weren't real supporters, right?

Not for me

 

[Gethelred]

What the **** are you talking about? He is basically saying I only post after losses (untrue, posted after Ess win) and using that as if I am trolling... If that isn't unsound logic I'm not sure what is. Of course I post after losses a lot, considering 11/12 weeks have been losing weeks....

I asked for an example of a logical fallacy being used against you. You posted what you posted, which isn't a logical fallacy, which was my objection.

Logical fallacies are argument formats that are logically false and provably so; ergo, if you can posit correctly that the person you are arguing with is using a logically fallacious argument, you win.

It's fine to keep saying what you're saying; accuse other people of whatever you like. But a logical fallacy it was not. Don't generalise, and especially don't generalise others posts as logical fallacies, then object when someone calls your usage of the term incorrect.

Play on.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Not for me

Yes for you too. That's why you asked me why I'm always angry when in reality, my posting history suggests otherwise...

 

[Nori]

Oh I saw that. It's what made Kerr a triple-non-threat in the one game:

Took it upon himself to kick the first one, missed.
Got a spray and went into his shell.
Had a chance to redeem himself, and passed it off.

I'd rather he had a shot at the second one and miss than pass it off. Classic Carlton avoidance culture.

That’s just evidence of a kid finding his way. He tried to do the right thing, after doing the wrong thing and over compensated.

Surely we can cut him some slack. He did hit the target after all which is more than some of his team mates could manage.

 

[ESKIE]

Yes for you too. That's why you asked me why I'm always angry when in reality, my posting history suggests otherwise...

Yes for me too?


Give it a rest BF

 

[Murphkreuzmitch]

Supporter Definition;

a person who is actively interested in and wishes success for a particular sports team.

Now, just because someone is an eternal optimist, doesn’t mean they are less of a supporter
just because someone is always negative, doesn’t mean they are less of a supporter
Just because someone isn’t as knowledgeable, doesn’t mean they are less of a supporter
Just because someone doesn’t wear the colours to the game , doesn’t mean they are less of a supporter

I can go on and on, it takes all types of personalities to make a community, sports club or even fan base.

Not every one will agree but don’t attack each other and ruin some one else’s day/ time on here because you don’t like their opinions/ supporter methods.

Go Blues.

Murphkreuzmitch out/

 

[mickelboy182]

It's fine to keep saying what you're saying; accuse other people of whatever you like. But a logical fallacy it was not. Play on.

I'm not going to descend into a pointless display of legalese.

Call it a false equivalency if you have that much an issue with it, I don't care. It's flawed logic.