Bomber List?

[Carey_is_King]

Originally posted by walshy1993:

isnt that personal???
pot calling the kettle black

No Walshy, that's not personal, that's a rhetorical question.

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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[walshy1993]

carey is king we havent stayed away

how can you justify essendons list being weak when you have someone like david calthorpe playing on your list

take your bottom 5 players from the first final

chandler
makepeace
motlop
cochrane
clayton

compare that to essendons
ramanauskas
moorcroft
alessio
heffernan
barnard


i know where id rather be sitting

just for interest, hird kicked 5 goals 1 in that final, did carey have 5 kicks?

we could even move down to the emergencies
calthorpe
lange
sholl

v

robran
denham
prior

then consider
bell, capuano, pike and sholl gone
scott 31
blakey 34
martyn 32
carey 30 next season
archer 28
stevens 30
king 29

essendon has
lloyd 22
johnsons 22
lucas 23
caracella 23
blumfield 23
rioli 22
solomon 20
ramanaskaus 20

our oldest players are long and barnes, 31
then its down to hird, misiti and mercuri who are still around 26-27

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by Fibula 4:
You know why we PITY Norff rooboy because of your supporters non stop whinging IF we had money IF we had your resources IF we...blah blah blah. Get Off your ARSES and do it yourself and taking the $$$ handouts (business loans ) from the AFL.
You are a good side but we are Now better YOU have had finals for the last ten years and what have you got?? 2 premierships!!!! Not that bloody great is it? Always AFL with you mob and ignore your pathetic history pre 90,s.

No money No supporters BOO HOO (i'm crying ..with laughter)

Fibula 4... the only if I have for you buddy is... If Essendon are that great how come you only have the same number of AFL flags as the downtrodden Kangaroos... please feel free to answer...

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by Dan24:
Rooboy,

Typical stuff, from an inbecile.

Thanks Dan... but we all know you are the King of Inbecileland...

Originally posted by Dan24:
You keep going on about tour success. Good on ya ! I'm glad for ya. You were just a poor, run-down club, so it's good to see you get some success on the field. Better than Carlton or Collingwood ! I'm not begrudging you success.

But the Essendon chip, that you, and every other Roos person on bigfooty has on their shoulder is annoying me.

What am I wrong about, exactly? Please explain???

The fact that 75% of your posts relate to Essendon, and their supporters confirms my suspicions about you. Why in the f*ck are North supporters so pre-occupied with Essendon ? If it's not jealousy, or envy, it must be awe. It's probably all three.

or it could be that I have to continually set you straight.... idiot...

Originally posted by Dan24:
As if you'd admit it anyway - I know deep down how you think. If we lost by 125 points, I'd probably have a chip on my shoulder too !!

I was as pissed off as you probably were when Carlton beat Essendon in the Prelim.. last year.... Bring back any memories Dan????

 

[Same Old's]

Originally posted by Rooboy 96:
Fibula 4... the only if I have for you buddy is... If Essendon are that great how come you only have the same number of AFL flags as the downtrodden Kangaroos... please feel free to answer...

Rooboy,

Essendon don't have the same amount of "AFL" premierships as the Kangaroos. They have more. 16, in fact.

However, to be fair I will only count the premierships since North came into the competion, that is in 1925. Since that year Essendon have won 10 premierships compared to the Kangaroos 4.

The only reason I'm saying this that the AFL is the VFL. There the same competition, it's just that the competition administrators changed the name, that's all.

I went through this, along with others, in a thread a few weeks ago.

 

[Dan26]

Same Old's,

You are 100% correct. North supporters like to disregard anything before 1993. Team of the 90's eh? Big deal. I'd rather be team of the century.

From 1925 to 1973, North basically did nothing. Their destiny was in their own hands, but over 50 years, they weren't good enough. They were not as well admininstered, or as talented, as the other clubs, and they were a failure. They had no one to blame but themselves. They had 50 years to get it right.


Yep, they had 50 years to get it right, but they couldn't - Losers.

Richmond won a flag in their 13th and 14th seasons after joining in 1908, but it took North 50 years. Other teams proved it could be done, but North simply only had themselves to blame. It's true.

Then, when they finally did break through, they did it through money. They basically bought two premierships, taking advantage of a short lived rule (the 10 year service rule)

Not until Pagan arrived have North truly earnt a premiership off their own bat. The 90's have been magnificent for North and they can take full credit. They have done it by thelselves and without any assistance. Good on em.....it's about time.

Yep, it's about time. They've earnt their success in the 90's. They've been in the comp for 75 years, so it's about friggin time they earnt some success. It's taken them 68 years (up until 1993) to actually earn some, so it's about time.

No wonder North supporters want to disregard everythig before 1993 (hence not include the VFL) They failed at just about everything they did.

By the way, how can North be the team of the 90's, when West Coast, who ALSO won two Grand Finals, competed in every finals series in the 90's ?

 

[eastaugh36]

Dan, Im glad your on the mighty essendon side as your comebacks are great and you can comeback with stuff that the roo girls cant beat ! Go the Dons and go Dan !!!!!!

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Essendon - The greatest club with the greatest coach in the league ! Carlton- absolute hypocrites who accuse others of being cheats only for it to be found later that carlton are the "serial salary cap breachers" as quoted by our president, haha

 

[Dan26]

Thanks Eastaugh.

Hey, it's about time that mob earnt some success. It's taken them long enough. They had 50 years to get it right, and failed, and when they did get success, it was on the back of money.

68 years it took em, to "earn" some fair dinkum success. It's about f*cking time, if you ask me !!

 

[Carey_is_King]

Originally posted by eastaugh36:
Dan, Im glad your on the mighty essendon side as your comebacks are great and you can comeback with stuff that the roo girls cant beat ! Go the Dons and go Dan !!!!!!

Yeah, Dan! Go Dan!! Bang your head on the wall again Dan!! Let's go get pissed together Dan, and we can tell each other how smart we all are !!!



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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[Dan26]

Carey-is-King,

That's your comeback !!!

WOW, I'll have to think about my response now ! What a genius you are !

 

[Carey_is_King]

Originally posted by Dan24:
Carey-is-King,

That's your comeback !!!

WOW, I'll have to think about my response now ! What a genius you are !

Sorry, best I could do on the spur of the moment. Can't mount much of an argument actually, because North were crap for years and years. The 75/77 premierships were "bought" but the 10 year rule was there for all to use. North were just quicker and more innovative than everyone else.(as usual) The 90's have been a whole different story, and we can hold our heads up there. Prior to that it was patchy at best.

P.S. My original response was addressed to the cretinous cheer squad which seems to follow you, rather than your good self.

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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

[This message has been edited by Carey_is_King (edited 18 December 2000).]

 

[walshy1993]

Originally posted by Carey_is_King:
Dan,
Seems like you, Walshy and the Dutchman are cut from the same cloth. If you can't argue a case reasonably, you want everyone else to shut up or you resort to abuse. Perhaps you should just restrict yourselves to replying to the garbage which young Joffa puts up, and stay away from the more reasonable debates.

well i have responded, dan has responded and so has dutchie

yet you have failed to rebut
why doesnt that suprise me

 

[Carey_is_King]

Originally posted by walshy1993:
carey is king we havent stayed away

how can you justify essendons list being weak when you have someone like david calthorpe playing on your list

take your bottom 5 players from the first final

chandler
makepeace
motlop
cochrane
clayton

compare that to essendons
ramanauskas
moorcroft
alessio
heffernan
barnard


i know where id rather be sitting

just for interest, hird kicked 5 goals 1 in that final, did carey have 5 kicks?

we could even move down to the emergencies
calthorpe
lange
sholl

v

robran
denham
prior

then consider
bell, capuano, pike and sholl gone
scott 31
blakey 34
martyn 32
carey 30 next season
archer 28
stevens 30
king 29

essendon has
lloyd 22
johnsons 22
lucas 23
caracella 23
blumfield 23
rioli 22
solomon 20
ramanaskaus 20

our oldest players are long and barnes, 31
then its down to hird, misiti and mercuri who are still around 26-27

OK Walshy, here we go.
I have never said Essendon's list was weak, and if it is all the same to you I would like to return Calthorpe to you - if I could get him out of Hungry Jacks, that is. His "recruitment" was a joke.

Chandler, Makepeace, Cochrane - Bloody average players.
Clayton - Good average player.
Motlop - Very good YOUNG player.

Alessio, Barnard, Moorcroft - Bloody average players.
Heffernan - Good player.
Ramaunaskas - Good YOUNG player.

Summary ? You have a slight edge here.

Hird kicked 5 after the game was won as usual. Carey had enough injuries to pronounce Hird dead.

Calthorpe - read above.
Lange - Very good YOUNG player.
Sholl - Past it now,played one year too many.

Robran - Totally crap player.
Prior - Good average player.
Denham - Past it now.

I won't bother with the others individually, but you make a good point about relative ages. That is one of the reasons why you beat the crap out of us this year. I can't argue with fact. I have never talked about age anyway.

Now, did that sound like a biased assessment ? Well just a bit I suppose.




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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by Same Old's:
Rooboy,

Essendon don't have the same amount of "AFL" premierships as the Kangaroos. They have more. 16, in fact.

However, to be fair I will only count the premierships since North came into the competion, that is in 1925. Since that year Essendon have won 10 premierships compared to the Kangaroos 4.

The only reason I'm saying this that the AFL is the VFL. There the same competition, it's just that the competition administrators changed the name, that's all.

I went through this, along with others, in a thread a few weeks ago.

and this comes from a person that can justify cheating... sorry your opinion would be the last I would listen to... oh that's a bit harsh... equal second last... we all know who comes last... and easty fits in equal second last because he is a twit...

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by Dan24:
Then, when they finally did break through, they did it through money. They basically bought two premierships, taking advantage of a short lived rule (the 10 year service rule)

Not until Pagan arrived have North truly earnt a premiership off their own bat. The 90's have been magnificent for North and they can take full credit. They have done it by thelselves and without any assistance. Good on em.....it's about time.

So Dan using your logic Essendon won the 1993 and 2000 flags on the back of rorting the system... so how long has it been since Essendon's last creditable premiership???

answer me that Dan....

 

[Same Old's]

Originally posted by Rooboy 96:
and this comes from a person that can justify cheating... sorry your opinion would be the last I would listen to... oh that's a bit harsh... equal second last... we all know who comes last... and easty fits in equal second last because he is a twit...

What the hell are you talking about Rooboy. I never justified cheating. Try to find a post where I stated that it was "alright" for Essendon to exceed the salary cap.

Do you have a problem reading posts correctly?

You stated that the Kangaroos had more "AFL" premierships than the Bombers and I rebutted your comment.

I wasn't even "bagging" North Melbourne.

I don't give a crap if you value my posts or not, I just wrote a logical post that seems to have you baffled for some reason.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Same Olds...

I think you protest far too hard.... not to care what my opinion means to you...

you once stated that the salary cap was only hear to help clubs like North... thus inferring it was okay to cheat...

 

[Same Old's]

Originally posted by Rooboy 96:
Same Olds...

you once stated that the salary cap was only hear to help clubs like North... thus inferring it was okay to cheat...

Well the salary cap was designed to "help" the less "affluent" clubs have a chance to compete on a level playing feild with the more "richer" clubs, that being total player payments.

I think you, and others, would agree with this.

As I stated before I do not condone cheating.

You probably misunderstood in what I was saying.

[This message has been edited by Same Old's (edited 18 December 2000).]

 

[The Dutchman!]

CIK you posted:

"Talk away Dutchman, no one is listening anyway. Having read many of your posts, I find you are incapable of debating a topic without becoming personal. A lack of maturity or intelligence ?
P.S. C_H_F throws these baits in the water to see if there are any fish stupid enough to rise to them. I guess he has his answer. There is one born every minute."

Firstly, I acknowledge that in this instance I did lose it though I think anyone who supports their team would have at the subject matter of this post - but fair call it was inappropriate. So apologies for going the man not the ball.

However I do take issue with your comment that I am incapable of debating a topic without becoming personal;
a gross generalisation frankly at odds with about 90-95% of my posts (though perhaps not in the last week involving CHF granted but I think this the exception that proves the rule) and pretty unhelpful. Further to question (albeit rhetorically) my intelligence and maturity is, well, again pretty unhelpful and perhaps a little distressingly personal too.

In my defence (and correct me if I'm wrong here) folks like Arch and I, as bomber fans fortunate enough to have had a great year, have tried hard to build up a solid level of respect with the long term North fnas on the forum on the basis of mutual respect. While still calling it how we see it we try to acknowledge good fortune and luck (not gloating) and impart our general love of the game but not at the expense of respect.

The reason I have become impatient on this topic, Hird2000 stats, Brownlow votes (all CHF topics) etc is because a new North fan, someone who conveniently wasn't here throughout the year when the chips were down for North, has turned up to basically make farcial statements about my team, the worth of its players and their achievements. Some might find them amusing - fair enough and perhaps I would too if they were at least witty or not laced with such obviously bitterness and disrespect (ie: not giving credit where its due).

The reason I lost it earlier (calling on folks like Shinner and Rooboy to pull you into line) was, judging by the intelligence displayed in most of your posts, I was just a little dissapointed with your comment that you thought this topic, which ludicrously suggests Hird, Fletcher, Lucas and Lloyd (4/5th of a goal to goal line to die for) are overrated, was funny or witty. I thought this just lacked your normal class.

Contrary to your statement, I think CHF can say what he wants here - its a free country and he is free to piss people off if he likes - good luck to him... just won't get a lot of respect around here - whatever turns him on.... frankly, that's one of the good things about the net forums like this...

End of the day, I reiterate that I'm sorry I took the whole thing too seriously. Sometime just being a passionate supporter you can go too far.

Regards
Dutchy

 

[The Dutchman!]

Actually a bit of an addendum:

I urge all bomber fans, CIK and interested parties to read CHF's new post "Last Word on Essendon" where the guy has brilliantly buried the hatchet.

Taking his comments on face value (and I have no reason not to) I hereby welcome CHF into the Bigfooty fold and look forward to his contributions in the coming pre-season... all this forgiven dude.

Regards
Dutch

 

[Rooboy 96]

Same Olds.... maybe next time you are questioned about salary cap cheating... you should not respond "the salary cap is only here to help the less fortunate" and then I wont get confussed... BTW if not for the salary cap.... where would Collingwood and Richmond be??? I think no longer with us...

 

[Carey_is_King]

Dutchman,

Your reply is noted and I accept what you have said. Let's move on. Perhaps I should not have encouraged CHF, but I do find his obvious baiting to be quite funny.

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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

[This message has been edited by Carey_is_King (edited 19 December 2000).]

 

[Constable Constable]

CAREY IS A BREAST GRABBING MORON....Nickname of Nipple Cripple..funny hey CIK? or with the amount of injuries CHALKY might be better..what you think?

 

[Carey_is_King]

Ever notice how the most moronic posts come from those who apparently cannot understand the registration process. It's really the forum version of a drive-by shooting. Same cowardly approach - same lack of thought.

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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[Constable Constable]

And you think 'Trample the weak...etc' isn't moronic? Or is that funny. Lucky Essendon had the same motto last match against you.

Bang!!!!!!