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So your saying it more than doubled since 99?
Ok ill take your word for it.
I was only pointing out to dan that essendon doesnt have 1 million supporters attending there games.
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So your saying it more than doubled since 99?
Ok ill take your word for it.
I was only pointing out to dan that essendon doesnt have 1 million supporters attending there games.
No it hasn't really doubled. The Total attendance figures for 1999 was just over 6 million and for the 2000 season it's was just over the 6 million mark as well.
Sabre,
I think your getting confused. Those figures I stated are the total attendence figures, not how many people went to the footy one or more times.
I think your getting confused. Those figures I stated are the total attendence figures, not how many people went to the footy one or more times.
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Now if only ALL Victorian clubs were given the same opportunities to maximise their revenue and crowd attendances through an AFL draw that does not cater to the so-called larger Victorian clubs.
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Sainter,
That last comment is a load of crap. In 1997 we only played Richmond once. We played Carlton and Collingwood twice obviously, but the return Collingwood match drew only 51,000 and the return Carlton match got 57,000.
In 1997, outr total attedance of one-million is the total attendance of all 22 games addded up together. Obviously, this includes opposition supporters, but you can't get a figure like that unless your club has massive drawing power.
The Kangarros could play 22 mathces at the MCG, and go 22-0, and play all the big clubs twice and they wouldn't get a million through the turnstiles. Ditto St.Kilda, despite what you may think.
Essendon drawing power has been remarkably consistent no matter where the team is on the ladder. It doesn't matter whether they finish 14th or 1st, the crowds are always very, very good. In 1997, I remember a "meaningless" MCG Friday night match agaisnt Port, where we were out of finals contention. Playing an intersate team on a cold Friday night, when you can't make the finals, means a poor crowd. But Essendon drew 35,000 to the match. Remarkable.
It puts Collingwood to shame, really.
That last comment is a load of crap. In 1997 we only played Richmond once. We played Carlton and Collingwood twice obviously, but the return Collingwood match drew only 51,000 and the return Carlton match got 57,000.
In 1997, outr total attedance of one-million is the total attendance of all 22 games addded up together. Obviously, this includes opposition supporters, but you can't get a figure like that unless your club has massive drawing power.
The Kangarros could play 22 mathces at the MCG, and go 22-0, and play all the big clubs twice and they wouldn't get a million through the turnstiles. Ditto St.Kilda, despite what you may think.
Essendon drawing power has been remarkably consistent no matter where the team is on the ladder. It doesn't matter whether they finish 14th or 1st, the crowds are always very, very good. In 1997, I remember a "meaningless" MCG Friday night match agaisnt Port, where we were out of finals contention. Playing an intersate team on a cold Friday night, when you can't make the finals, means a poor crowd. But Essendon drew 35,000 to the match. Remarkable.
It puts Collingwood to shame, really.
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And I'm a knob huh? You said it. You bag other clubs for not following through thick and thin and then use losing as an excuse for the Bomber fans not turning up. You can justify any way you like but if you won't accept excuses from others then don't make them yourself. My reply was tongue in cheek but struck a nerve obviously considering the tone of your reply.
The knob term would best suit you as a knob can be virtually turned full circle much like your arguments.
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Seriously Dan,
The shit you talk is just amazing........even for an Essendon Supporter. You make it sound like Essendon is the AFL........lol
I cant believe your "loyal" supporters didnt turn up to see your teams only ansett cup game in melbourne. I guess loyalty at Essendon has a different meaning.
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The shit you talk is just amazing........even for an Essendon Supporter. You make it sound like Essendon is the AFL........lol
I cant believe your "loyal" supporters didnt turn up to see your teams only ansett cup game in melbourne. I guess loyalty at Essendon has a different meaning.
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They did turn up.
22,000 is one of the biggest ever non-Grand Final crowds for a pre-season match.
Now that I just said that, do you feel embarrassed by your comments. ODN's certainly should.
22,000 is one of the biggest ever non-Grand Final crowds for a pre-season match.
Now that I just said that, do you feel embarrassed by your comments. ODN's certainly should.
your a thucken twit shitbags u r just small dirt you fool!!!
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Gee Joffa, you've added a lot to this discussion.
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Dan,
Firstly, I did not say anywhere that I thought St Kilda or the kangaroos would have 1 million spectators pass through the turnstiles if these teams were given the opportunity to play against the "big 4" clubs every year. Do not make assumptions on my behalf please.
My point is that there are certain clubs who are being given an unfair advantage financially through gate receipts and crowd attendances. For the purpose of this disagreement, I want even bother going into the obvious benefit that some clubs have received by playing the same teams twice every year.
Why must our clubs sit back and see some teams given the right to pocket hundreds of thousands of dollars more than usual because the AFL, in charge of the fixturing themselves, are too concerned with taking their share of the gate receipts to worry about equality.
I'm not disputing Essendon's drawing power. Frankly it doesn't interest me in the slightest. What I'm interested in is the well being of my club and like a lot of other Victorian clubs, why are we not given the same opportunity to maximise our revenue?
I think it was Jethro who posted a list of teams and the amount of times they were scheduled to play interstate. It was no coincidence that the teams up the top were the Hawthorn's, Melbourne's and St Kilda's. This is because it is these teams that always seem to be taking up the slack for a draw that is clearly not even. I mean, when you play every team once, and then repeat your 3 "blockbuster" matches, it doesn't exactly leave the room for interstate matches or for other Victorian clubs to get the same advantges of the Essendon, Carltons, etc.
I'm not saying that my team has the biggest supporter base, or the best attendances or the best playing squad. All I want is for the AFL teams, and in this instance the Victorian teams, to tbe placed on an even keel. For a smaller club to get the opportunity to host two games a year against sides like Collingwood and Essendon could be the difference between a profit and a loss.
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Firstly, I did not say anywhere that I thought St Kilda or the kangaroos would have 1 million spectators pass through the turnstiles if these teams were given the opportunity to play against the "big 4" clubs every year. Do not make assumptions on my behalf please.
My point is that there are certain clubs who are being given an unfair advantage financially through gate receipts and crowd attendances. For the purpose of this disagreement, I want even bother going into the obvious benefit that some clubs have received by playing the same teams twice every year.
Why must our clubs sit back and see some teams given the right to pocket hundreds of thousands of dollars more than usual because the AFL, in charge of the fixturing themselves, are too concerned with taking their share of the gate receipts to worry about equality.
I'm not disputing Essendon's drawing power. Frankly it doesn't interest me in the slightest. What I'm interested in is the well being of my club and like a lot of other Victorian clubs, why are we not given the same opportunity to maximise our revenue?
I think it was Jethro who posted a list of teams and the amount of times they were scheduled to play interstate. It was no coincidence that the teams up the top were the Hawthorn's, Melbourne's and St Kilda's. This is because it is these teams that always seem to be taking up the slack for a draw that is clearly not even. I mean, when you play every team once, and then repeat your 3 "blockbuster" matches, it doesn't exactly leave the room for interstate matches or for other Victorian clubs to get the same advantges of the Essendon, Carltons, etc.
I'm not saying that my team has the biggest supporter base, or the best attendances or the best playing squad. All I want is for the AFL teams, and in this instance the Victorian teams, to tbe placed on an even keel. For a smaller club to get the opportunity to host two games a year against sides like Collingwood and Essendon could be the difference between a profit and a loss.
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Dan,
Wow 22,000 People against Geelong. Wow you got me searching for the record books with that Blockbuster crowd.
Collingwood v North drew over 28,000 people
Collingwood v StKilda drew over 28,000 people
They were our two round robin games in the Ansett Cup in Melbourne.
Im not saying thats amazing or anything special but its still better than the reigning Premiers.
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Wow 22,000 People against Geelong. Wow you got me searching for the record books with that Blockbuster crowd.
Collingwood v North drew over 28,000 people
Collingwood v StKilda drew over 28,000 people
They were our two round robin games in the Ansett Cup in Melbourne.
Im not saying thats amazing or anything special but its still better than the reigning Premiers.
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On the subject of attendances, I don't think the AFL will be scheduling any more games against the grand prix - 4-5,000 for Richmond v freo and 8-9,000 for Hawks-Melbourne is pathetic. Not hte greatest drawing clashes but they said they would abandon NZ because the crowd was that size.
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22,000 is equivalent to about 50,000, when you take into account it is an Ansett Ciup game.
It just shows we draw well, even when we suffered a massive loss at our previous game, which made the Ess-Gee match meaningless because Essendon couldn't make the semi's.
Yet Collingwoods two matches only got 28,000. The Coll-North match was huge. It was an elimination final, virtually. The winner would make the semi's, and the loser would go into mothballs. Yet the crowd was only marginally bigger than the 22,000 that saw Ess-Gee.
Remember, Essendon couldn't make the semi's, yet 22,000 went anyway. Judging by Geelong's crowd of 4,000 against Port, it is not unreasonable to suggest that 17,000 of the 22,000 were Essendon supporters (despite the match being meaningless for us) I was at the game, and this figure was "visually" accuarate. There weren't many Cats fans. it shows our drawing power even when we lose.
Can you imagine Collingwood's crowds if they had suffered a huge loss in the first round of the Ansett Cup, which made it impossible for them to maket the semi-finals. I wonder how many Pie fans would go to watch a dead rubber?
They'll have plenty of practice in dead rubbers from rounds 17-22 this year when they will be playing for pride, since they will be out of finals contention, as per usual.
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It just shows we draw well, even when we suffered a massive loss at our previous game, which made the Ess-Gee match meaningless because Essendon couldn't make the semi's.
Yet Collingwoods two matches only got 28,000. The Coll-North match was huge. It was an elimination final, virtually. The winner would make the semi's, and the loser would go into mothballs. Yet the crowd was only marginally bigger than the 22,000 that saw Ess-Gee.
Remember, Essendon couldn't make the semi's, yet 22,000 went anyway. Judging by Geelong's crowd of 4,000 against Port, it is not unreasonable to suggest that 17,000 of the 22,000 were Essendon supporters (despite the match being meaningless for us) I was at the game, and this figure was "visually" accuarate. There weren't many Cats fans. it shows our drawing power even when we lose.
Can you imagine Collingwood's crowds if they had suffered a huge loss in the first round of the Ansett Cup, which made it impossible for them to maket the semi-finals. I wonder how many Pie fans would go to watch a dead rubber?
They'll have plenty of practice in dead rubbers from rounds 17-22 this year when they will be playing for pride, since they will be out of finals contention, as per usual.
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Maybe teams with the big attendances pre-season have crowds who think the H&A is likely to be pretty ordinary. But as every sensible poster says, no-one gives a stuff about the pre-season - unless their club still has a chance to win it.
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The thing is Dan Collingwood supporters still will turn up as we love our team no matter what.
Seriously if i was an Essendon supporter(thank god im not) i would be turning up every game and wouldnt get put off by a loss.
You talk about loyalty and how no matter where Essendon finishes your supporters still turn up, yet you stick up for your fellow supporters for not turning up as you lost the week before........lol
Collingwood supporters are much more loyal and knowledgeable than Essendon supporters.
Collingwood supporters have endured the tough times and are still one big happy family.
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Seriously if i was an Essendon supporter(thank god im not) i would be turning up every game and wouldnt get put off by a loss.
You talk about loyalty and how no matter where Essendon finishes your supporters still turn up, yet you stick up for your fellow supporters for not turning up as you lost the week before........lol
Collingwood supporters are much more loyal and knowledgeable than Essendon supporters.
Collingwood supporters have endured the tough times and are still one big happy family.
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Dan, I cannot be any more blunt about this - you are completely full of shit.
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Darky, I completely agree! Dan you used to come up with some good arguements, the crap you have been coming up with recently is utter SHIT!
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I'm embarassed that visitors to the site might think that you are representative of the type of people on here.
My only point and in jest as I said was that you have previously stated that Essendon fans do not go missing in action regardless of their position on the ladder, then you cited their losing against Port Adelaide as a possible reason for lack of numbers at the next game.
You have since come back with statements about the crowd not being too bad. I was NEVER questioning the attendance. Understand? I was questioning your statement. You did make it. It is indisputable. You have no comeback. Disappear!!!
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