Brent Prismall

[Vdubs]

Liked his game tonight, used the ball as well as ever, looked poised and confident, no signs of missing a preseason. Little peeved we had to let him go, really classy unit.

 

[Bombertastic]

Happy to have him. It kind of reminds me of Essendon after 2001. We had to let go of players as more of the squad demand more of the salary cap. We kind of had our Brent Prismall with Damien Hardwick leaving for Port after 2001. It hurts.

 

[Hinkley29]

Happy to have him. It kind of reminds me of Essendon after 2001. We had to let go of players as more of the squad demand more of the salary cap. We kind of had our Brent Prismall with Damien Hardwick leaving for Port after 2001. It hurts.

Don't get me wrong, Prismall can play, but that comparison is an insult to Damien Hardwick.

 

[RustNeverSleeps]

Good luck to Prismall at Essendon. He's had a rough trot with injury and deserves some success.

In the end, he wasn't quite good enough to crack a regular birth in the GFC midfield. Given the Bombers lack of quality in this area, he should shine.

 

[Copernicus]

Good luck to him. I'm not losing any sleep about letting him go. We simply have too much class and depth in the midfield. He deserves to have a go, and if it's at another list then so be it. I hope he goes well at the Bombers (but not so well that he is the cause of a loss to them!).

 

[kellykellykelly]

I still sense a lack of respect for the man. lets not kid ourselves, we'd love to have him coming into the side instead of Hogan.

These things have to happen though, and he will tear it up at Essendon.

Great to watch.

 

[Gogeelong]

Prismall and Geelong trading

Prismall was in Essendons best this week.
He will play a pivitol role in the Essendon return to power in the next few years.
I am pleased for Prismall however feel a touch btter that we did not get a good draft pick for him leaving.

Was Geelong taken advantage of by being the good guy in helping him get to Essendon?

Is this the right message to send the players and other clubs for our future dealings?

How good will Prismall be in the future?

Which players in our team are in the same situation and what will we get for them if traded?

In the past clubs have had good returns for trading depth players but now they think it is best to go to the draft. Give me a player like Prismall with pick39 any day. A young proven 30 plus possie player combined with great diposal and a great clubman to boot. Why would you take an unproven 17 year old?

 

[Patronus]

Geelong did not have a leg to stand on with Prismall.

If they had traded him when he was still in contract that would have been another story but they did not want to lose him and did all the could to keep him last year as well.

Prismall is the one who let the club down if you get down into it. He chose to leave and chose which club he was going to thus taking away any power Geelong had at the trading table. I suppose you can not blame him as all he wanted was to go to a club where he was guaranteed an AFL game.

You can only trade a player if they agree to it and Prismall would only agree to go to Essendon, Which gave them all the cards, who would also claim that Prismall just weeks off a knee reconstruction had lost value.

Either Geelong got some bad pick no nothing as Prismall was fully prepared to walk into the pre season draft for free. It would have been good to see Geelong call his bluff and let him walk and then have him picked up by another club before Essendon got their grubby hands on him.

But Geelong is not like that which is a bit of a shame as they are the only ones who lose because of it.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Prismall and Geelong trading

Prismall was in Essendons best this week.
He will play a pivitol role in the Essendon return to power in the next few years.
I am pleased for Prismall however feel a touch btter that we did not get a good draft pick for him leaving.

Was Geelong taken advantage of by being the good guy in helping him get to Essendon?

Is this the right message to send the players and other clubs for our future dealings?

How good will Prismall be in the future?

Which players in our team are in the same situation and what will we get for them if traded?

In the past clubs have had good returns for trading depth players but now they think it is best to go to the draft. Give me a player like Prismall with pick39 any day. A young proven 30 plus possie player combined with great diposal and a great clubman to boot. Why would you take an unproven 17 year old?

I was trying to work out do you feel better or bitter? The latter I presume.
Yes , you may say we got screwed but from a stats point of view a R3 pick is probably not much different than a R2 and an R1 was never an option for a kid with his playing time. As I said on Geelongblog I feel there is far more to it than just raw talent , our system will maximize the kid we picked and hopefully we look back and say it hasn't hurt as at all.

The other side to it is , we are looked on as a responsible club , we endeavor to treat our players with respect and find them their preferred home if it doesn't work out with us, just as we did with King, Playfair etc. Sure we may be to some degree a soft touch but this far better than being considered impossible to deal with.At the end of this year other clubs may look at Prismall and be willing to deal with us on other borderline players and this may help us tweak our list and wouldn't be an option if clubs refused to deal with us.

 

[JUBJUB]

Let's be honest,he'd be running around in our VFL side at the moment if he was still at Geelong.

 

[year of the cat]

Got to remember he was only up against a sub-standard Melbourne midfield last night. If I remember correctly he also played well in our corresponding game against the demons last year at the 'G. Wait and see how he goes when they play a top 4 team.

 

[CF]

I agree with Deadly Outbreak & TC. Pris was at end of contract and so the Club had little bargaining power in the trade situation. Essendon pulled out of the Lovett trade which showed they knew it too. Such is the cut & thrust of footy. Good luck to Prisa, I can't wait until he has a game against us.

 

[rizzo]

Re: Prismall and Geelong trading

Prismall was in Essendons best this week.
He will play a pivitol role in the Essendon return to power in the next few years.
I am pleased for Prismall however feel a touch btter that we did not get a good draft pick for him leaving.

Was Geelong taken advantage of by being the good guy in helping him get to Essendon?

Is this the right message to send the players and other clubs for our future dealings?

How good will Prismall be in the future?

Which players in our team are in the same situation and what will we get for them if traded?

In the past clubs have had good returns for trading depth players but now they think it is best to go to the draft. Give me a player like Prismall with pick39 any day. A young proven 30 plus possie player combined with great diposal and a great clubman to boot. Why would you take an unproven 17 year old?

he left the club for cash...

 

[catswhiskers2007]

Re: Prismall and Geelong trading

I wish Prismall well at the Dons. Good to see him return from that knee injury. Like the way he plays and he now needs to take on the game off his own back- was able to take a back seat at the Cats with a sublime midfield leading the way. Interesting to see how he goes against quality midfields, of which last night's was a poor comparison.

 

[catempire]

Re: Prismall and Geelong trading

he left the club for cash...

Pox rizzo. It was plainly obvious to everyone he left for opportunity.

Must we have this discussion again?

He is going to grate on us every time he pulls on a red and black guernsey. We had a quality young player decide to leave because he didn't get the opportunities at our club. Now he is going to be a 200 game very good player at another. It is going to hurt. Time to move on though.

The only thing we must ensure is that Gamble, Hogan, Djerrkura, etc. don't become the next Prismall.

 

[THE CAT WRANGLER]

Compensation wasn't enough

We continually accept mediocre deals

 

[Heapoie]

The bloke got a gig in 11 of the final 13 matches he could have played in. Unfortunately, he couldn't grow a set and left for higher pay (in a team where most players were happy to take pay cuts) and to get more game time in an inferior midfield. His departure left a taste in my mouth that was almost as bitter as Prismalls body language on the day the premiership flag was unfurled and he trudged off 10m behind his VFL team mates like a sour and twisted old man.

 

[AM]

Re: Prismall and Geelong trading

he left the club for cash...

What a load of crap, riz. He left to go to a club where he was pretty much assured of a senior game week-in-week-out. Poor player management on our behalf ensured he languished in the twos way longer than he should have and he understandably thought there was no future for him with us. Remember that was only his second senior game back from a reco and he was one of the Bombers best. He'll only get better.

One of my concerns is that with an ageing list we're not exposing our younger players often enough to senior footy and when the time comes with retirements our next generation of players will only have 10 or so senior games experience instead of 40-50. Plus we may not have a clear indication of who can cut it and who can't.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Re: Prismall and Geelong trading

What a load of crap, riz. He left to go to a club where he was pretty much assured of a senior game week-in-week-out. Poor player management on our behalf ensured he languished in the twos way longer than he should have and he understandably thought there was no future for him with us. Remember that was only his second senior game back from a reco and he was one of the Bombers best. He'll only get better.

One of my concerns is that with an ageing list we're not exposing our younger players often enough to senior footy and when the time comes with retirements our next generation of players will only have 10 or so senior games experience instead of 40-50. Plus we may not have a clear indication of who can cut it and who can't.

Ammo Man, what is with this continual defence of Prismall. He left the club, sort out personal advantage at expense of both team-mates and the administration who had supported him through a relatively tough introduction to AFL football, riddled with injury. He is not a good club man, and will not be well received when it comes time to play the cats again - i expect one Cam Mooney to give him hell, and rightly so.

The boy had just begun to establish himself as a senior after some extended time in the VFL yes, but did he not become the better player for it? He was unlucky to break his wrist early in 2007 - he was clearly being given opportunities then, as he was being given opportunities when he came back into the seniors last year. He wasn't diverse enough to occupy another position so he had to challenge for a midfield role - which required that he must match it with the absolute cream of the crop; he choose to move on. Fair enough, wish him all the best, but don't get me wrong, the guy made his choices, they were individually orientated and show no commitment to the greater cause....i expect him to be targeted heavily by our boys (who as a team have thrived together, not as individuals upset about losing opportunities).

Football maybe becoming increasingly surrounded by glamourous individual contacts, but the heart of the game still is surrounded by the TEAM. Prismall had his opportunity to be part of a great club, a great team and he chose to give it all away....

Can't wait to see Jimmeh, Maxxy or Big Cam make a b-line straight for the center square on our next visit to bomberland, because these boys will rightfully feel the hurt of being neglected by an individually orientated opportunist and that is just not part of their bloodstream!

Good luck Pris, but watch out mate!

 

[SmothOperRaider]

GB I don't think I've ever agreed with a post so much. Excellent stuff.

 

[catempire]

Re: Prismall and Geelong trading

Ammo Man, what is with this continual defence of Prismall. He left the club, sort out personal advantage at expense of both team-mates and the administration who had supported him through a relatively tough introduction to AFL football, riddled with injury. He is not a good club man, and will not be well received when it comes time to play the cats again - i expect one Cam Mooney to give him hell, and rightly so.

The boy had just begun to establish himself as a senior after some extended time in the VFL yes, but did he not become the better player for it? He was unlucky to break his wrist early in 2007 - he was clearly being given opportunities then, as he was being given opportunities when he came back into the seniors last year. He wasn't diverse enough to occupy another position so he had to challenge for a midfield role - which required that he must match it with the absolute cream of the crop; he choose to move on. Fair enough, wish him all the best, but don't get me wrong, the guy made his choices, they were individually orientated and show no commitment to the greater cause....i expect him to be targeted heavily by our boys (who as a team have thrived together, not as individuals upset about losing opportunities).

Football maybe becoming increasingly surrounded by glamourous individual contacts, but the heart of the game still is surrounded by the TEAM. Prismall had his opportunity to be part of a great club, a great team and he chose to give it all away....

Can't wait to see Jimmeh, Maxxy or Big Cam make a b-line straight for the center square on our next visit to bomberland, because these boys will rightfully feel the hurt of being neglected by an individually orientated opportunist and that is just not part of their bloodstream!

Good luck Pris, but watch out mate!

GB, do you think Ammo Man or I or anyone else that "defends" Prismall has any personal affinity with him? I know in my case and I'm willing to bet in the case of Ammo Man and others, the reason we get involved in these discussions and the reason we are critical of the way the situation was handled is precisely out of concern for the TEAM.

We feel that the TEAM will be worse off for the handling of Prismall, and fear that if we don't learn from that mistake the TEAM will be even worse off. Like it or not, teams are reliant on being the sum of talented individuals.

We won't feel it this season. We might not even feel it in the next couple of seasons, but when the retirements mount up and the salary cap finally bites, not having used opportunities to develop the next crop of players will hurt us. This will come both because more talented young players will seek opportunities elsewhere and the young players we have left will have little or no experience.

This is all about the TEAM.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

GB I don't think I've ever agreed with a post so much. Excellent stuff.

Glad somebody agrees. Am getting tired of the continual defense of Pris', we have had this debate many times before and it continually worries me that people think Djukerra, Hogan and Gamble are going to tread the same path...my call, judging from their reactions and body language around their team-mates is that neither of these players is going to do a Pris', they are there for the long run and i think they are all appreciative of being involved in such a sterling club as the GFC!!!

 

[Patronus]

Re: Prismall and Geelong trading

GB, do you think Ammo Man or I or anyone else that "defends" Prismall has any personal affinity with him? I know in my case and I'm willing to bet in the case of Ammo Man and others, the reason we get involved in these discussions and the reason we are critical of the way the situation was handled is precisely out of concern for the TEAM.

We feel that the TEAM will be worse off for the handling of Prismall, and fear that if we don't learn from that mistake the TEAM will be even worse off. Like it or not, teams are reliant on being the sum of talented individuals.

We won't feel it this season. We might not even feel it in the next couple of seasons, but when the retirements mount up and the salary cap finally bites, not having used opportunities to develop the next crop of players will hurt us. This will come both because more talented young players will seek opportunities elsewhere and the young players we have left will have little or no experience.

This is all about the TEAM.

How so were they bad at handling Prismall? They club did all the could to keep him. He walked out on the club not the club letting him down.

By making him earn his spot in the VFL? Bartel may tell you what that is like and that his game benefited from it.

Prismall is unlucky. Everytime he got his shot he got an injury that kept him out for a space of time and he had to earn another shot. Bad luck but nothing the club could do about it. He was also unlucky that a bloke by the name of Selwood came to the club and held his spot in the team from when he could have been making his mark.

Prismall also had to work his arse off to be the best he could be as he be to get into a midfeild like Geelong has. I am sure is development as a player was destoryed by being in close proximity to people like Ablett, Bartel, Corey and Ling.

Until he did his knee he had held his spot into a finals game and could very well have been out there on grand final day. He was so hard done by.

In the end Prismal went the easy road. Good on him but he could have stayed and forced himself into a sort of team that does not come around easily.

With these new clubs coming in all clubs will feel the loss of talented younger players over the next few years.

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

Re: Prismall and Geelong trading

GB, do you think Ammo Man or I or anyone else that "defends" Prismall has any personal affinity with him? I know in my case and I'm willing to bet in the case of Ammo Man and others, the reason we get involved in these discussions and the reason we are critical of the way the situation was handled is precisely out of concern for the TEAM.

We feel that the TEAM will be worse off for the handling of Prismall, and fear that if we don't learn from that mistake the TEAM will be even worse off. Like it or not, teams are reliant on being the sum of talented individuals.

We won't feel it this season. We might not even feel it in the next couple of seasons, but when the retirements mount up and the salary cap finally bites, not having used opportunities to develop the next crop of players will hurt us. This will come both because more talented young players will seek opportunities elsewhere and the young players we have left will have little or no experience.

This is all about the TEAM.

Fair shake of the ol' sauce bottle Catempire....what didn't the TEAM do to try and accomodate Prismall? Thompson gave him opportunities, he was unlucky to get injured a few times, but he did play in a number of games. Who would you have left out for him to command a regular senior berth? And please don't say Travis Varcoe or Shannan Byrnes, because Prismall could not play forward pocket roles and didn't have the pace of those two.

We nursed him through injury and even gave him assurances that he would be rehabilitated correctly and would be offered new contracts. He had a potential place in the rotation as guys like Bartel and Corey looked to be heading towards a more multi-dimensional role - im sure Bomber would have made him aware of that.

Prismall acted on his own self accordance. There was nothing TEAM about what he did - fair enough, its his call, but i expect there will be a few people amongst the Geelong Football Club who will be very dissapointed with his actions. If Mooney see's it appropriate to thump Scott Thompson, a player who the club was unlucky to miss out on in the rookie draft after playing with the VFL, i would imagine that Pris' might get a few rib softeners too - just letting him know thats all is fair in love and war!

 

[Catman]

But Geelong is not like that which is a bit of a shame as they are the only ones who lose because of it.

We're too much of a soft touch when it comes to trade week.